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Testimony of Gershon Gerard Avraham, born in 1928 in Strasbourg, France, about his hideouts and partisan activity

Testimony
ืฉื ื”ืžืจื•ืื™ื™ืŸ: ื’ืจืฉื•ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื
ืฉื ื”ืžืจืื™ื™ื ืช: ื ืื•ื” ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจื™
ืชืืจื™ืš ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ: ื›"ื‘ ื‘ืื‘ ืชืฉ"ืข โ€“ 02.08.10
ืฉื ื”ืžื“ืคื™ืกื”: ื‘ืชื™ื” ืฉื˜ื”ืœ
ืฉืžื•ืช ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช:
Strasbourg
Clermont Ferrand
Lyon
ื”ืชืืจื™ืš ื”ื™ื•ื ื›"ื‘ ื‘ืื‘ ืชืฉ"ืข, ืฉื ื™ ื‘ืื•ื’ื•ืกื˜ 2010. ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืขื ืžืจ ื–'ืจืืจ ืื‘ืจื”ื, ื™ืœื™ื“ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืฆืจืคืช, 1928. ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื ืขืจืš ืขืœ-ื™ื“ื™ ื ืื•ื” ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ ืžื˜ืขื ื™ื“-ื•ืฉื ื•ืžืชืงื™ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืชื•.
ืฉ: ื–'ืจืืจ, ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืฉื ื ื•ืœื“ืช?
ืช: ื ื•ืœื“ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื ื–'ืจืืจ ืื‘ืจื”ื. ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ื”ืฉื ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื“ื•ื“.
ืฉ: ืชื™ื›ืฃ ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืคืจื˜. ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืชืืจื™ืš ื ื•ืœื“ืช?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื ื•ืœื“ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืขื™ ืœื“ืฆืžื‘ืจ 1928.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ื ื•ืœื“ืช?
ืช: ื ื•ืœื“ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื‘ืฆืจืคืช.
ืฉ: ืืžืจืช ืฉื”ืฉื ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื” ื“ื•ื“? ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื•ื ืืชื” ื ืงืจื ื’ืจืฉื•ืŸ?
ืช: ืืช ื”ืฉื ื’ืจืฉื•ืŸ ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืืจืฆื” ื‘-49' ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื. ืœื”ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฉื” ื”ื’ื™ื“ ื’'ืจืืจ, ืื– ื”ื ืงืจืื• ืœื™ ื’ืจืฉื•ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ื”ืฉื ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ ืฉืœืš ื”ื•ื ื“ื•ื“?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ืฉื ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ ืฉืœื™ ื”ื•ื ื“ื•ื“, ืื‘ืœ ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื ื• ื‘ืฉื ื”ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื ื•ืœื“ืช ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืขืฆืžื ื”ื ื™ืœื™ื“ื™ ืฆืจืคืช?
ืช: ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื ื™ืœื™ื“ืช ืฆืจืคืช, ื™ืœื™ื“ืช ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื ื•ืœื“. ืื‘ืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื‘ืื” ืžืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืœื“ืช ืืฆืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื” ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”. ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื™ื–ื” ืžื™ืŸ ื”ืจื’ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื, ืฉื”ื™ื ืœื ืจืฆืชื” ืœืœื›ืช ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื›ื™ ืื– ื”ื™ื• ืจื’ื™ืœื™ื ื›ื ืจืื” ืœืœื“ืช ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื. ื”ื™ื ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืคื•ืœื ื™ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœืœื›ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ื—ื–ืจื” ืขื ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช. ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ, ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื›ืฉืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื ื•ืœื“ื” ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”. ื”ืจื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื ื–ื” ืžืฉื ื”. ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื ืขื™ืจ ื’ื‘ื•ืœื™ืช ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื”ืจื™ื™ืŸ, ื‘ื’ื‘ื•ืœ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืœืฆืจืคืช. ื‘-1870 ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืชืคืกื• ืืช ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœืš.
ืช: ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื ื•ืœื“ื” ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”. ื›ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ื•ืœื“, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ืœืžื” ืœืื‘ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ื™ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื• ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืœื›ืช ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื‘ืขืฆื ืœื ื ื•ืœื“ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืืœื ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืœื“ ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ื•ื–ื” ืจื“ืฃ ืื•ืชื• ื›ืžืขื˜ ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืื–ืจื—ื™ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ื, ื’ื ืื ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื• ื™ืฆืื” ืืช ื’ื‘ื•ืœื•ืช ืฆืจืคืช, ื–ื” ืžื ืข ืžืžื ื• ืœืงื‘ืœ ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช?
ืช: ื–ื” ืžื ืข ืžืžื ื•, ืฉืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ื ื•ืœื“ ืฆืจืคืชื™.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื• ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ืื–ืจื—ื™ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืื–ืจื—ื™ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ื. ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื• ืงื™ื‘ืœื” ืืช ื”ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ื›ื™ ื›ื•ืœื, ื›ืœ ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื›ืœ ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืืœื–ืืก, ื›ืฉื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ืืช ืืœื–ืืก ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”, ืื– ื›ืœ ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ื’ืจื™ื ืฉื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ืืช ื”ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืงืจืื• ืœื™ืื•ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœืื™ืžื?
ืช: ืœืื™ืžื ืงืจืื• ื’'ืจืžืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื.
ืฉ: ื‘ื•ื ืชืกืคืจ ืžืฉื”ื• ืขืœ ืฉืชื™ ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ื”ืžืงื•ืจ, ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื•ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื.
ืช: ื›ืžื• ืฉืืžืจืชื™, ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื”ื ื‘ืื• ืžืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ื”ื ื‘ืื• ื‘ืฉื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืืœืฃ ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืžืื•ืช ื•ืžืฉื”ื•. ื’ื ื”ืื—ื™ื ืฉืœื•, ืฉื ื•ืœื“ื• ืื—ืจื™ื• ื ื•ืœื“ื• ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืื‘ืœ ื”ื‘ืขื™ื” ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ืฉื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื ื•ืœื“, ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื• ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืœื›ืช ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ื•ืœื›ืŸ ื ืฉืืจื” ืœื• ื›ืื™ืœื• ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช...
ืฉ: ืžืื™ื–ื• ืขื™ืจ ื‘ืคื•ืœื™ืŸ ื”ื ื”ื™ื•?
ืช: ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžื˜ืจื ื•ื‘ื’'ื™ื’, ื›ืš ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืžื’ืœื™ืฆื™ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืžื’ืœื™ืฆื™ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื’ื ืฆ'ื›ื™ื” ื•ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื’ื ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง, ื–ื” ืขื‘ืจ ืžืžืงื•ื ืœืžืงื•ื. ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื• ื—ื–ืจื” ืขื ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืœืคื™ ืžื” ืฉื™ื“ื•ืข ืœื™, ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืขืฉืจื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืืจื‘ืขื” ื ืคื˜ืจื•, ื•ื”ื ื ืฉืืจื• ืฉื™ืฉื”. ื—ืœืง ืื•ืœื™ ื ื•ืœื“ื• ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืื•ืœื™ ืžื•ืฉื’ ืœืžื” ืื•ืชื” ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉื”ื™ื’ืจื” ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื” ืœื”ื’ืจ ืœืฆืจืคืช ืื• ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื”? ืœืžื” ื”ื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ืคื•ืœื™ืŸ?
ืช: ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ, ื”ื, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉื• ืืช ื”ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”. ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘-1860, 1870, 1880, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืขืจืš ืื– ื”ื ืขืœื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืคื•ืœื ื™ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืจืฅ ื ื—ืฉืœืช, ืœืžืขืฉื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช ืื ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ื”ื™ื• ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืœืžื” ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืขื–ื‘ื” ืืช ืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ื•ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg)?
ืช: ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข.
ืฉ: ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืืชื” ืžืฉืขืจ ืฉื–ื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืจืง ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืฉื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ื”ืฆื™ื•ื ื•ืช, ืื– ื›ื ืจืื”, ืฉื–ื” ื”ืฉืคื™ืข ืขืœื™ื”ื, ื•ื”ื ืฉืžืขื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ืฉืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืœื•ืช ืืจืฆื”. ื›ื ืจืื”, ื’ื ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ืคื•ื’ืจื•ืžื™ื, ืฉืื– ื”ื™ื• ืคื•ื’ืจื•ืžื™ื ื‘ืจื•ืกื™ื” ื•ื›ืœ ื–ื”, ืื– ื”ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื• ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื ื‘ืื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืกื™ื‘ื” ืฉืจื“ืคื• ืื•ืชื ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืื•ืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืกื™ื‘ื” ื›ืœื›ืœื™ืช?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš. ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ, ืฉื›ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืŸ ืขืฉืจ, ื”ืกื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืคื˜ืจ, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืŸ ืขืฉืจ ื›ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื• ื ืคื˜ืจ, ื•ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื• ื’ื™ื“ืœื” ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืœื‘ื“. ื”ื ื ืฉืืจื• ืฉื™ืฉื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืืจื‘ืขื” ืื—ื™ื ื•ืฉืชื™ ืื—ื™ื•ืช. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืืช ื–ื”? ื›ื™ ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืื ื™ ืืกืคืจ ืขืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœ, ืฉื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื‘ื›ื•ื—ื•ืช ืขืฆืžื•, ื‘ืœื™ ืื‘ื. ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ืื ื™ ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืžืชืคืœื, ืฉืคื” ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืคืจืง ืœื—ื•ื“, ืฉืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ืจื— ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืฉืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื™ืŸ ื‘ืขื•ืœื, ืœื ืจืง ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื•ืœื ืจืง ืคื”, ืืœื ืื™ืŸ ื‘ืขื•ืœื ืื“ื ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”. ืื ืืช ืจื•ืฆื”, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ืŸ ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœื™ื• ื›ืžื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืœืš ืœืคื™ ื”ืกื“ืจ. ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื” ื™ืœื“ ืฉื”ืชื™ื™ืชื ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืขืฉืจ, ื•ืคื—ื•ืช ืื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ื™ื“ืœ ืืช ืขืฆืžื• ืœื‘ื“?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ืฉื•ื•ืงื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื’ื“ืœ ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื–ื” ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ืฉื•ื•ืงื™ื, ื”ื™ื ืžื›ืจื” ืฉื ืชื•ืฆืจืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ืžื›ืจื”, ื”ื™ื ืžื›ืจื” ื˜ืงืกื˜ื™ืœ, ื•ื”ื™ื ืžื›ืจื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื”.
ืฉ: ื‘ื•ื ื ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืœืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืื™ืžื, ืžื” ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืขืœื™ื”?
ืช: ืขืœ ืื™ืžื, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื–ื” ืื•ืžื ื ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื—, ืื‘ืœ, ื›ื ืจืื”, ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืžืฉืคื—ืช ืฉื™ืœื™ื•. ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ื˜ื•ืขืŸ, ืื•ืœื™ ื”ื•ื ื—ื™ืคืฉ ืžืฉื”ื•, ืฉืžืฉืคื—ืช ืฉื™ืœื™ื• ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืžื’ื•ืจืฉื™ ืกืคืจื“ ื‘ืืœืฃ ืืจื‘ืข ืžืื•ืช ื•ืžืฉื”ื•. ื”ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœืขื™ืจ, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื” ืจื•ืกื”ื™ื™ื, ืฉื–ื” ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืžื“ื•ืข ื”ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœืจื•ืกื”ื™ื™ื? ื›ื™ ื‘ื–ืžื ื• ืœื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ืืกื•ืจ ืœื’ื•ืจ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ื‘ืขืœื” ืฉืœ ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉืคื—ืช ื”ืœื‘ืจื•ืœ, ืฉืื•ืชื” ืžืฉืคื—ืช ื”ืœื‘ืจื•ืœ ื”ื ื’ื-ื›ืŸ ืžืจื•ืกื”ื™ื™ื, ืฉืจื•ืกื”ื™ื™ื ื–ืืช ืขื™ืจ ืงื˜ื ื” ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืœืคื™ ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ื•ืœืคื™ ื”ืกืคืจื™ื, ืื—ื“ ื”ืกื‘ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืจืืฉ ื”ืงื”ื™ืœื” ื‘ืจื•ืกื”ื™ื™ื ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื ืคื•ืœื™ื•ืŸ, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ื”ืœื‘ืจื•ืœ. ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื ื”ืชื—ืชื ื” ืขื ื”ืœื‘ืจื•ืœ. ื”ืžื•ืฆื ืฉืœ ืžืฉืคื—ืช ืฉื™ืœื™ื• ื”ื™ื” ื›ื ืจืื” ืžืกืคืจื“, ืฉืžืืœืฃ ืืจื‘ืข ืžืื•ืช ื•ืžืฉื”ื• ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืจื•ืกื”ื™ื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื›ืืŸ ืื™ื–ื” ืžื—ืงืจ ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื“ื•ื•ืงื, ืœื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ื“ื•ื•ืงื ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืžื—ืงืจ. ื”ืกื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืžืฆื“ ืื™ืžื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื™ื™ื˜, ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ืงื˜ืŸ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืฉื ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื ืคื˜ืจ ืœืคื ื™ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื”. ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื‘ืคื ื™ ืขืฆืžื•, ืฉืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื ืœืงื—ื”, ื•ื ืกืคืชื” ื‘ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœืš. ื‘ืžื” ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš ืขืกืง ืขื“ ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ืœื˜ืงืกื˜ื™ืœ ื‘ืฉื•ืชืคื•ืช ืขื ืฉื ื™ ืื—ื™ื ืฉืœ ืื‘ื. ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืœืื— ืฉืœื• ื•ืœืื—ื•ืชื• ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ืœื˜ืงืกื˜ื™ืœ.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ?
ืช: ืขื‘ื“ื• ืฉื ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืžืื•ืช ืคื•ืขืœื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื™ื™ืฆืจื• ืฉื, ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ื’ื ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื—ืจื•ืฉืช. ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืžื”ื›ื•ืชื ื” ื—ื•ื˜, ืžื”ื—ื•ื˜ ื”ื ืขืฉื• ื‘ื“, ื•ืžื”ื‘ื“ ื”ื ืขืฉื• ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื. ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื• ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจ ื˜ืงืกื˜ื™ืœ, ืฉื”ื ืขืฉื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื”ื ื™ื™ืฆืจื• ื‘ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื”ื ื™ื™ืฆืจื• ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื‘ื“ื™ื ืื• ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื”ื ื™ื™ืฆืจื• ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื, ื”ื ื™ื™ืฆืจื• ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื—ื•ืœืฆื•ืช, ืชื—ืชื•ื ื™ื ื•ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื‘ื’ื“ื™ ื’ื•ืฃ.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืกืง ืฉื”ื ื‘ื ื• ืื•ืชื•, ืื• ืฉื”ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ืจืฉื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื–ื”?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื ื•ื™, ื•ื”ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืงื ื• ืืช ื–ื”. ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืฉื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืงื•ืžื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ. ื‘ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื—ื“, ืœืžื˜ื” ื”ื™ื• ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช, ืฉืขืฉื• ืืช ื”ื—ื•ื˜ ืžื”ื›ื•ืชื ื”. ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื” ืขืฉื• ืžื”ื—ื•ื˜ ืืช ื”ื‘ื“, ื•ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื–ื” ื”ืœืš ืœืงื•ืžื” ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉื‘ืฉื ืช 36' ืื• 37', ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืŸ ืขืฉืจ, ืื– ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœืจื“ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ืœื—ืฆืจ, ื•ืœื”ืขื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืกื—ื•ืจื”, ืื• ืืช ื”ื‘ื“ ื”ื’ืžื•ืจ ืœื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืฉื ื™, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ืื—ื“ ืžื•ืœ ื”ืฉื ื™, ืื– ืขืฉื• ืžื ื”ืจื” ืžื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืœืžืขืœื” ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช, ื•ืื– ื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื• ืืช ื”ืกื—ื•ืจื” ืžื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช. ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช ื”ื™ื• ืื™ื–ื” ืžืื” ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ืชืคื™ืจื” ืขื ืคื•ืขืœื•ืช ืฉื—ืชื›ื• ืืช ื”ื‘ื“ ื•ืชืคืจื•.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœืžืคืขืœ ื”ื–ื”?
ืช: ืœืžืคืขืœ ื”ื–ื” ืงืจืื• ืกื•ืกื™ื˜ื™ ืื“ื™ืคืจื™ืืœ ืื“ื™ืคืื–' ืื‘ื•ื ื™ื˜ืจื™ืื” ืื™ื™ืžื™. ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื ืงืจืืช ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœ ืืจื™ื’ื” ื•ืื“ื™ืคืื–', ื›ืš ื–ื” ื ืงืจื, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ื™ื—ื“.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ืฉื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืœ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื, ื”ืฉื ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ื”ืฉื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืœ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื›ื•ืœื ื ืงืจืื• ืื‘ืจื”ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ื•ืœื ื ืงืจืื• ืื‘ืจื”ื. ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืจืง ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื’ื ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™.
ืฉ: ืืžืจืช ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ืื—ื™ื.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ืื—ื™ื. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื’ื ื ืคืชืœื™ ื•ื’ื ืงืจื™ืกื˜ืœ, ืงืจื™ืกื˜ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ื‘ืขืœ ืฉืœ ื”ืื—ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื‘ื.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื–ื” ืืžืจ ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืชืขืฉื™ื” ื›ื–ืืช ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ื‘ืื•ืชืŸ ืฉื ื™ื? ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืื“ื ืžืื•ื“ ืขืกื•ืง?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื ืฉื™ื, ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ื—ืกืจ ืœื ื• ื›ืœื•ื. ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื‘ื™ืช ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืฉืœ ืฉื™ืฉื” ื—ื“ืจื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื’ื ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื–ื”, ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ื™ ืคืกื ืชืจื™ ื›ื ืฃ, ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืฉืœื™ ื•ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืฉืœ ืื—ื•ืชื™, ื•ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื ื™ื’ืŸ ืขืœ ื›ื™ื ื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ืจื•ื–'ื” ื”ื•ื ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื ื™ ื‘ืฉื ื” ื•ื—ืฆื™, ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื ื™ ื•ืืจื—-ื›ืš ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืืจืœื˜. ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืืจืœื˜ ื”ื™ื ืืฉืชื• ืฉืœ...
ืฉ: ื‘ื•ื ื ืชืจื›ื– ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื, ืขื•ื“ ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™, ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื›ื ืœืคื ื™ 1940.
ืช: ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ืขืฉื™ืจื™ื. ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ื™ ื›ืœื™ ืจื›ื‘.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืืคื™ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื• ืฉืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื” ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“?
ืช: ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ื”ื—ื•ื’ ืฉืœื ื•, ื”ื™ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืขืฉื™ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื ืื‘ื ื•ื”ืื—ื™ื ืฉืœื• ืจื›ืฉื• ืืช ื”ืžืคืขืœ ื”ื–ื” ืžืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ, ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ื›ืกืฃ ืœืจื›ื•ืฉ ืืช ื–ื”?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืกื•ื›ืŸ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ. ืœื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืชืคืงื™ื“ ื‘ืžืคืขืœ. ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ื ืคืชืœื™, ื–ื” ื”ืื— ื”ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืื—ืจืื™ ืขืœ ื”ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช. ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ืฉื ื™ ื”ื™ื” ืื—ืจืื™ ืขืœ ืžื—ืœืงืช ื”ืชืคื™ืจื”, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืื—ืจืื™ ืขืœ ื”ืžื›ื™ืจื•ืช, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ืกืง ืจืง ื‘ืžื›ื™ืจื•ืช, ื•ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ื”ื ื”ืœืช ื—ืฉื‘ื•ื ื•ืช. ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ? ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš. ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฉื•ืง, ื›ืฉืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ืฉื•ืง ื‘ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื, ืื– ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉื–ื” ื ืฉืืจ ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื•ืœืื˜, ืœืื˜ ื”ื ืคื™ืชื—ื• ืืช ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืžื‘ื™ื ื” ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืื•ื“ ืฉืืคืชื ื™ื™ื ืขื ืžื•ื˜ื™ื‘ืฆื™ื” ื’ื‘ื•ื”ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืœื”ืฆืœื™ื—, ื•ื”ื ื”ืงื™ืžื• ืขืกืง ื’ื“ื•ืœ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืื•ื“ ืฉืืคืชื ื™ื™ื ืขื ืžื•ื˜ื™ื‘ืฆื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื’ื‘ื•ื”ื” ืœื”ืฆืœื™ื—, ื•ื”ื ื”ืงื™ืžื• ืขืกืง ื’ื“ื•ืœ.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืจื•ื‘ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื™ื• ืื ืฉื™ื ืืžื™ื“ื™ื ื›ืžื•ื›ื?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืื ืฉื™ื ืขื ื™ื™ื. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืื ื™ ืœื ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืขื ื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจ, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืขืœื™ ืืžืฆืขื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื ืจืื• ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœืš ื•ืฉืœ ื”ืื— ื•ื”ืื—ื•ืช ื‘ืฉื ื™ื ื”ื”ื? ืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื™ืœื“ ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื.
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื•, ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ื, ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื—ื‘ืจืช ื ื•ืขืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ื›ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื‘ื—ื‘ืจืช ื ื•ืขืจ ื›ื–ืืช, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”'. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš ื‘'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”', ื›ื›ื” ื’ื ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื” ื‘'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”', ืฉื ื”ื ื”ื›ื™ืจื• ื‘ื›ืœ, ื•ื”ื ื”ืชื—ืชื ื•. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ื”ืืœื”, ืฉืœ 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”' ืขื•ื“ ืžืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืขืฉืจื™ื ื•ืžืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื. ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื”ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื›ืจื ื•. ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืงืจื•ื‘ื™ื ืืœื™ื ื•, ืืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ื, ื ืฉืงืœื” ื”ืืคืฉืจื•ืช ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ืฆืจืคืช, ื•ืœืขืœื•ืช ืœืืจืฅ?
ืช: ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื• ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ื, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™...
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช, ืื ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉื”ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืขืฉืจื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืคืขื™ืœื™ื ื‘ืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช, ื”ื™ื” ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื‘ ืฉื”ื ื—ืฉื‘ื• ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ืฆืจืคืช, ื•ืœืขืœื•ืช ืœืืจืฅ ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ืจืฆื” ืœืขืœื•ืช ืืจืฆื”, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื‘ื•ืขืจ ืœื•, ื›ื™ ื”ืขืกืงื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืกื“ืจ. ืื‘ืœ ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื“ืจื™ืš, ื•ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื–ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืฆื™ื•ื ื•ืช. ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”, ื’ื-ื›ืŸ ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืฉืฉ, ืฉื‘ืข ื ื›ื ืกื ื• ืœ'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”'.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”', ืœืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื‘ื™ืœ?
ืช: 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”' ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืœืžืฉืœ, ื›ืžื• ื”ื ื•ืขืจ ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ ื‘ืืจืฅ, ืื– ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”'. ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžื”ื™ื•ื, ืืœื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืฉืจื•ืช ืฉื ื™ื ืฉื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืžืกื’ืจืช 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”'. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื, ืฉื’ืจื• ื‘ื™ืฉืจืืœ, ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื›ื‘ืจ ื ืคื˜ืจื•. ื’ื ื”ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื•ืชื” ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ื”ืœื›ืช ืœืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ ื›ื–ืืช, ื‘ื•ื ืชืกืคืจ ืงืฆืช ืขืœ ื”ืชื ื•ืขื”. ืžื” ืืคื™ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ืชื ื•ืขื” ื”ื–ืืช? ืขืœ ืžื” ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืื™ืชื›ื ืฉื ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื”? ืžื” ืืชื ืขืฉื™ืชื ืฉื?
ืช: ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ, ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื” ืฉืจื ื• ืฉื™ืจื™ื ื‘ืขื‘ืจื™ืช, ืฉืจื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืฉื™ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ืื–. ื›ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืข ืขืฉื™ื ื• ื˜ื™ื•ืœื™ื, ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื•ืžืฉื—ืงื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžืชื•ืš ื›ืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉื”ืœื›ื• ืœืชื ื•ืขื”, ื•ื›ืื™ืœื• ื—ื™ื• ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”' ื•ื”ืฆื™ื•ื ื•ืช, ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื’ืจืขื™ื ื™ื ืฉืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ืฆืจืคืช, ื•ืขืœื• ืœืืจืฅ, ืื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ ื‘ืชื•ืš ืฆืจืคืช?
ืช: ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™, ืื‘ืœ ืขื ื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืžืžืฉ ื™ืฉืจืืœื™, ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื•ืฆื™ื•ื ื™.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื–ื” ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ื™ืขื“ ืœื”ืงื™ื ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื’ืจืขื™ื ื™ ื”ื›ืฉืจื”, ื•ืœืขืœื•ืช ืœืืจืฅ-ื™ืฉืจืืœ, ืื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืžืื•ื“...?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื”ื™ื• ื’ืจืขื™ื ื™ ื”ื›ืฉืจื”, ืœื ืจืง ืฉื”ื™ื•, ืืœื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื–ื” ื’ื ื”ืฆื™ืœ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื. ืœืžืฉืœ ืื— ืฉืœื™...
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืœืขืกื•ืง ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื, ืขื•ื“ ืžืขื˜ ื ื™ื›ื ืก ืœืฉื ื™ื ื”ืžืื•ื—ืจื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ.
ืช: ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื™ืœื“.
ืฉ: ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืขืœ ื–ื” ืื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืžื™ืŸ ืžืกืœื•ืœ ื›ื–ื” ืฉืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื—ื‘ืจ ืชื ื•ืขื”?
ืช: ื”ื™ื• ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื›ืŸ ืขืœื• ืžืื•ืชื” ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”. ื™ืฉ ืžืฉืคื—ืช ืคื•ืœืง, ืฉื”ื ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ื—ื™ืคื”, ืฉื”ื ื™ืฆืื• ืžื”ืชื ื•ืขื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื‘ื™ืช ื‘ื—ื™ืคื”, ื•ื”ื ืขืœื• ืœืืจืฅ ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœืš ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชืš ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื™ืœื“ ื‘ืŸ ืฉืฉ, ืฉื‘ืข, ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืœืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ ื›ื–ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืฉื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ื™ ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื™ืœื“ ื‘ืŸ ืฉืฉ, ืฉื‘ืข, ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืœืคืขื™ืœืช ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ ื›ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืฉื”ืžื˜ืจื” ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ืื• ื–ื”ื•ืช ื›ื–ืืช, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืื™ื–ื• ืžื˜ืจื” ืฉืœ ื–ื”ื•ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช, ื–ื”ื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื”ืžื˜ืจื” ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื˜ืจื” ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืื• ื–ื”ื•ืช ื›ื–ืืช, ื–ื”ื•ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช, ื–ื”ื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช. ืชืจืื™, ื”ืงื”ื™ืœื” ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื”ื™ืœื” ื—ื–ืงื” ืžืื•ื“. ื–ืืช ื”ื™ืชื” ืงื”ื™ืœื” ืฉืœ ืืœืคื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื–ื” ืœื ื›ืžื• ื”ื™ื•ื. ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื™ืจ ืฉืœ ื‘ืขืจืš ืžืืชื™ื™ื ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ืืœืฃ ืชื•ืฉื‘ื™ื, ื•ืžืชื•ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ืœืคื—ื•ืช ืขืฉืจืช ืืœืคื™ื, ื—ืžื™ืฉื”-ืขืฉืจ ืืœืฃ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื ื—ื™ื• ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื. ืื ื™ ืœื ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื—ืกื™ื ืขื ืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื, ื›ื™ ื”ืจื™ ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืงืฉืจ ืขื ืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื, ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ืžื›ืจ, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขืกืง ื‘ืžืคืขืœ. ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื ืกืขืชื™ ืื™ืชื• ืœื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืœืžื›ื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื” ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื, ืœืื™ื–ื” ื‘ืชื™-ืกืคืจ ื”ืœื›ืชื, ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืื• ื›ืœืœื™ื™ื?
ืช: ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื‘ืชืœืžื•ื“ ืชื•ืจื”. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื”ืจื‘ ื“ื•ื™ื˜ืฉ, ืฉื ื“ืžื” ืœื™ ืฉื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื•ื ื‘ื™ืจื•ืฉืœื™ื. ื”ืจื‘ ื“ื•ื™ื˜ืฉ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืจืืฉ ื”ืจืืฉื™ ืฉืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืคืขื ื‘ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื‘ื™ื•ื ื—ืžื™ืฉื™, ื›ื™ ื™ื•ื ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ ื–ื” ื™ื•ื ื—ื•ืคืฉ ื‘ื‘ืชื™-ืกืคืจ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื– ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื™ื•ื ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื‘ืชืœืžื•ื“ ืชื•ืจื”. ืœืžื“ื ื• ืฉื ื‘ืจื›ื•ืช, ืœืงืจื•ื ื•ืœื›ืชื•ื‘. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืžื” ื–ื” ืขื‘ืจื™ืช, ื‘ืขืฆื, ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืœืงืจื•ื, ืœื›ืชื•ื‘, ื•ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ื‘ืจื›ื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืขื–ืจ ืœื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืืจืฆื”.
ืฉ: ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ืื• ื“ืชื™ืช, ืืš ืืชื” ืžืชืืจ ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœืš, ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉื•ืžืจืช ืžืฆื•ื•ืช, ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžืกื•ืจืชื™ืช ืื• ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช?
ืช: ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขื ื•ืช ืขืœ ืฉืืœื•ืช ื‘ืœื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืื’ื™ื“ ืžื™ ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™. ื–ื” ื’ื ืงืฉื•ืจ ืœื›ืœ ื”ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืฉืœื•. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื—ื–ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื—ื–ืŸ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื›ื ืกืช ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืฉืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช-ื›ื ืกืช ืจืฆื™ื ื™, ืื ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืืœืคื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉืช ืืœืคื™ื ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืื•ืจื’ืŸ, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืงื•ืžื” ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื•ืงื•ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžื• ืื™ื–ื• ืงืชื“ืจืœื”, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื”. ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืœืžื” ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื—ื–ืŸ? ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ืœืžื“ ืื•ืคืจื”, ื•ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืžืจ ืœื•: "ืชืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ืื•ืคืจื”, ื•ืชืœืžื“ ื—ื–ื ื•ืช". ื”ืืžืช ื”ื™ื, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืฆื ืžืžืฉืคื—ื” ื“ืชื™ื™ื”, ืœื ื“ืชื™ื™ื ืคื ืื˜ื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื“ืชื™ื™ื. ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™, ืื™ืžื ืฉืœ ืื‘ื, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื•ื“ ื“ืชื™ื”. ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ืฉื™ื™ื˜ืœ (ืคืื”), ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืขื ืกืคืจ ื”ืชืคื™ืœื” ื‘ื™ื“. ื›ืฉื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืœื‘ืงืจ ืื•ืชื ื•, ื”ื•ื ืชืžื™ื“ ื‘ื™ืจื›ื” ืืช ื”ื‘ืจื›ื•ืช, ื‘ืœื™ ื–ื” ืœื ืื›ืœื•. ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉืžืจื ื• ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื’ื™ื ื•ื›ืœ ื–ื”. ื›ืœ ืœื™ืœ ืฉื‘ืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื‘ืื” ืืœื™ื ื•, ื”ืื—ื™ื, ื”ืื—ื™ื•ืช ื•ื‘ื ื™-ื”ื“ื•ื“ื™ื. ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ื‘ื ื™-ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื“ื•ื“ื™ื, ื“ื•ื“ื•ืช ื•ื‘ื ื™-ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื”ืžืจื›ื–. ื—ื•ืฅ ืžื–ื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื–ืŸ ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ื’ื ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ืจื•ืฉืช, ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืกืคื•ืจื˜ืื™ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœืŸ ื‘ื™ื ืœืื•ืžื™. ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ื—ืง ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ ื‘ื”ื›ื•ื— ื•ื•ื™ื ื”, ืื ืฉืžืขืช ืขืœ ื–ื”, ืฉื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ื”ื›ื™ ืžืคื•ืจืกืžืช. ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืืจืฆื”, ืื— ืฉืœื™ ืคื’ืฉ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ืชืœ-ืื‘ื™ื‘, ื•ื”ืื“ื ื”ื–ื” ืืžืจ ืœืื—ื™: "ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื”, ืืชื” ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื‘ื•ื ืืœื™, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžืืžืจ ืขืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš. ืื– ื”ื™ื” ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” 'ืœื•ื˜ื•', ืฉื”ื™ื•ื ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื–ื” 'ืœื™ื™ืงื™ืคื˜', ืฉื–ื” ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ ื”ืกืคื•ืจื˜ ืฉืœ ืฆืจืคืช. ืื– ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืขืฉืจื™ื-ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” 'ืœื•ื˜ื•'. ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœืื—ื™: "ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืฉื ืžืืžืจ ืฉืœ ืฉื ื™ ื“ืคื™ื ืขืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš". ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœืŸ ืžืฆื˜ื™ื™ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจืฅ ืžื”ืจ ืžืื•ื“.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื”ื•ื ื’ืจ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื•ืฉื™ื—ืง ื‘ื”ื›ื•ื— ื•ื•ื™ื ื”?
ืช: ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™, ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš.
ืฉ: ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžืฆื—ื™ืง. ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืžื” ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื, ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื ื“ื‘, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืขื™ืจ ืžื™ื“ื™. ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืฉื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื” ืœืฉืžื•ื ื”-ืขืฉืจื” ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื ื“ื‘ ืœืฆื‘ื ื”ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™, ื›ื™ ืื– ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ืืœื ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืฉื™ืจืช ื‘ืฆื‘ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืืœื ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื• ืœืฆื‘ื ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื”. ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ืจืช ืืจื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื ื‘ืฆื‘ื ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื ืคืฆืข ืืจื‘ืข ืคืขืžื™ื. ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืžืœื ืื•ืชื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื’ื ืงืฆื•ื ื” ื‘ืฆื‘ื ื”ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™. ื”ื•ื ืœืžื“ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื’ื ืชืขื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื• ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืฉื—ืงืŸ. ื”ื ืฉื™ื—ืงื• ืคืขื ื ื’ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืœื ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ื’ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ื” ืขืฆืžื” ืื• ื ื’ื“ ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ื”ื ื ื™ืฆื—ื• ืฉืชื™ื™ื-ืืคืก, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืก ืืช ืฉื ื™ ื”ื’ื•ืœื™ื. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืื“ื ืžืคื•ืจืกื ืœื ืจืง ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื—ื–ืŸ ืืœื ื’ื ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœืŸ. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืืœื•ืฃ ื‘ื—ืชื™ืจื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืืœื•ืฃ ื’ื ื‘ืจื™ืฆื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื– ืœืคื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืคื ื™ ืžืื” ืฉื ื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ืจืฅ ืžืื” ืžื˜ืจ ื‘ืคื—ื•ืช ืžืื—ืช-ืขืฉืจื” ืฉื ื™ื•ืช, ืฉื–ื” ืœืงื— ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ืฉื ื” ืขื“ ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืจืฅ ื‘ืžื”ื™ืจื•ืช ื›ื–ืืช. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืžื“ืจื™ืš ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื”, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื“ืžื•ืช. ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืื ื™ ืืกืคืจ ื’ื ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืฆืจืคืช, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื‘ืคื ื™ ืขืฆืžื•. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžืจื›ื– ื‘ืฆืจืคืช, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืจื›ื– ื’ื ืฉืœ ื”ืงืจืŸ ื”ืงื™ื™ืžืช, ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื ืฉื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืงืจืŸ ื”ืงื™ื™ืžืช ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื•ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืื ื—ื ื•, ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืจื›ื– ืœื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ื” ืชืจื‘ื•ืชื™ืช ื•ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ื” ืงื™ื•ืžื™ืช, ืžื›ืœ ื”ื‘ื—ื™ื ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืœืžืฉืœ ืชื‘ื™ื ื“ื•ื’ืžื, ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, ืฉื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืจื›ื– ืœื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื. ืžื” ืงืจื” ืืฆืœื›ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช?
ืช: ืืฆืœื ื• ื”ื™ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ืžืœื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืขืœ ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช, ื”ืŸ ืขืœ ื”ืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ, ืฉื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ. ื‘ืœื™ืœ ืฉื‘ืช ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืื™ื ืืœื™ื ื•, ื•ื‘ื—ื’ื™ื ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืืฆืœื ื•. ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ื•ื“ื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ื›ื•ืœื ืืฆืœื ื•. ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืžื”'ืชืงื•ื•ื”' ื”ื™ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืืฆืœื ื•. ื’ื ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืช ืขืกืงื™ื, ืื‘ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืขืกืงื™ื ื‘ื˜ืงืกื˜ื™ืœ. ืžืฉืคื—ืช ืื‘ืจื”ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ื›ืจืช.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืื‘ื ืฉื™ืžืฉ ื›ื—ื–ืŸ, ื–ื” ืืžืจ ืฉื›ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื›ื ืกืช, ื›ืœ ืกื•ืฃ ืฉื‘ื•ืข, ื›ืœ ืฉื‘ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื›ื ืกืช ื›ืœ ืฉื™ืฉื™ ืฉื‘ืช.
ืฉ: ื•ืืชื ื”ืœื›ืชื ืื™ืชื•?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ ื‘ืฉื™ืฉื™ ืฉื‘ืช, ื›ื™ ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื™ื•ื ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ื›ืฉืื‘ื ื”ืœืš ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืื™ืชื• ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ ื‘ืฉื™ืฉื™ ืฉื‘ืช. ื›ืฉืื‘ื ื—ื–ืจ ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื›ื ืกืช, ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ืจ ื“ืจื›ื ื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ืœืงื— ืื•ืชื ื• ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ื–'ื™ื ืืฃ ืคืจื•ื˜ืกื˜ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ ืฉืœ ืคืจื•ื˜ืกื˜ื ื˜ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืจืฆื™ืช ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ื—ื–ืจ ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื›ื ืกืช. ืื– ื‘ืกืš-ื”ื›ืœ ื›ืฉืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืขืœ ื”ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ืฉืœืš ืขื“ ืคืจื•ืฅ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื”, ื”ื™ื™ืช ืžื•ื“ืข ื‘ืื•ืชืŸ ืฉื ื™ื ืœื›ืœ ื”ื”ื™ืฉื’ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืœ ืื‘ื, ืื• ืฉื–ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ืชื—ื•ื•ืจ ืœืš ืจืง...?
ืช: ืœื, ืžื–ื” ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื”ืฉื ื™ื? ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ื”ืจื‘ื” ืคืขืžื™ื ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ืœื“. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉืืคื™ืœื• ืฉื™ื—ืงื ื•, ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืฉื•ืžืจ ื‘ื—ืฆืจ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื• ื‘ืŸ ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืฉืœื™. ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืงืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื, ืฉื›ืฉืขืฉื• ืืช ื”ื—ื•ื˜, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืฉืขืฉื• ืืช ื”ื—ื•ื˜ ืžื”ื›ื•ืชื ื”, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช, ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ื›ืืœื”. ืžื”ื›ื•ืชื ื” ืขืฉื• ื—ื•ื˜, ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช, ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ื›ืืœื”. ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืงืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื, ืื– ืฉืžื ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืงืจื˜ื•ืŸ ื‘ืชื•ืš ืงืจื˜ื•ืŸ, ืฉืขืฉื™ื ื• ื›ืื™ืœื• ืžืœื—ืžื” ืขื ื—ืจื‘ ื›ืื™ืœื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžืคืขืœ ื‘ื—ืฆืจ. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื‘ืืฃ ืืคื™ืœื• ืขื•ื“ ืืช ื”ืจื™ื— ืฉืœ ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ืฉืœ ื”ื‘ื“ ื•ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืžืคืขืœ.
ืฉ: ื™ื“ืขืช ื’ื ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืกืคื•ืจื˜ืื™ ืžื—ื•ื ืŸ?
ืช: ืื‘ื ื›ืœ ืฉื‘ืช ืื• ื™ื•ื ืจืืฉื•ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืžืชื™ ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ื—ืง, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืžื‘ื˜ื™ื” ืžื•ื›ื ื”. ื›ื™ ืื– ืฉื™ื—ืงื• ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืฉื”ื™ื•ื ื–ื” ื”ื›ืœ ืžืคืœืกื˜ื™ืง, ืื‘ืœ ืื– ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืžืกืžืจื™ื. ื’ื ืื ื™ ืฉื™ื—ืงืชื™ ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ, ื’ื ืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืกื™ืžืŸ ืžื”ืžืกืžืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื ื›ื ืก ืœืืžื‘ื˜ื™ื”, ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืคืฆืขื™ื. ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื›ื™ื ื” ืœื• ืืช ื”ืืžื‘ื˜ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื—ื–ืจ ืžื”ืžืฉื—ืง ื™ืฉืจ ืœืืžื‘ื˜ื™ื”. ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื‘ืคื ื™ ืขืฆืžื•, ืื‘ืœ, ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืžืืžืŸ ื‘ืขื™ืจ ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืืœื™ื” ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”.
ืฉ: ืขื•ื“ ืžืขื˜ ื ื’ื™ืข ืœื–ื”. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืกืš-ื”ื›ืœ, ืื ื™ ืžื‘ื™ื ื” ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื“ืžื•ืช ืžืื•ื“ ื›ืจื™ื–ืžื˜ื™ืช?
ืช: ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ืขื ืืžืฆืขื™ื, ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขืฉื™ืจื™ื, ื›ื™ ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื•, ืœื ืจื•ื˜ืฉื™ืœื“ ื•ืœื ืจื•ืงืคืœืจ, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื—ืกืจ ืœื ื• ื›ืœื•ื. ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ื™ ืคืกื ืชืจื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช.
ืฉ: ืืœื” ืฉืขื‘ื“ื• ืืฆืœ ืื‘ื ื‘ืžืคืขืœ ื”ื™ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืื• ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ืคื•ืขืœื™ื ืฉื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ื”ืื—ื™ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืฉื•ืชืคื™ื.
ืฉ: ืœื, ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ื ืช, ืืžืจืช ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื›ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืžืื•ืช ืคื•ืขืœื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืžืื•ืช ืคื•ืขืœื™ื.
ืฉ: ืจื•ื‘ื ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืจื•ื‘ื ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืฉื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื”ื™ืœื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉืœ ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื, ืฉืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ืคื•ืœื™ืŸ ื•ืืช ืžื–ืจื— ืื™ืจื•ืคื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื”ื™ืœื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉืœ ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื, ืฉืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ืคื•ืœื™ืŸ ื•ืืช ืžื–ืจื— ืื™ืจื•ืคื”.
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืชื™ ื”ืงื”ื™ืœื•ืช?
ืช: ื–ื” ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืื— ืฉืœื™ ืžืกืคืจ ื‘ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืœื•, ืฉื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืืœื–ืืกื™ื, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืฉื ืืœื–ืืก...
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืชื™ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื. ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ื•ืœื“ ืคื•ืœื ื™, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ ืœืžืฉืœ ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืœื ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช-ื›ื ืกืช ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืจืฆื”. ืคืขื ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ื‘ื™ืช-ื›ื ืกืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื™ืฆื ืžืฉื, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ื‘ื™ื™ื“ื™ืฉ: "ืžื™ืฉื•ืงืœืฆืš". ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ื”ื“ืชื™ื™ื ื”ื, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”". ื”ื•ื ื™ืฆื ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื›ื ืกืช. ื”ืžื ื”ื’ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืœ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื, ื”ื•ื ืื”ื‘ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื™ืฉืจ ื• .
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื™ืœื™ื“ื™ ืฆืจืคืช ืœื ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ืื”ื‘ื• ืืช ื”ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื ืฉื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืžืžื–ืจื— ืื™ืจื•ืคื”?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื™ืœื™ื“ื™ ืฆืจืคืช ืœื ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ืื”ื‘ื• ืืช ื”ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื ืฉื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืžืžื–ืจื— ืื™ืจื•ืคื”, ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื ื•ื™ื›ื•ื—ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื’ื ืืชื” ื›ื™ืœื“ ื”ื‘ื—ื ืช ื‘ื–ื”?
ืช: ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ืขื ื”ื™ืงื™ื ื–ื” ืœื ื”ืœืš ื‘ื™ื—ื“. ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืžื”, ืื‘ืœ...
ืฉ: ืืชื ืจืื™ืชื ืืช ืขืฆืžื›ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ืื• ื™ืงื™ื, ื›ืžื• ืฉืืžืจืช ืคืชืื•ื?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื—ื ื• ืœืžื“ื ื• ื’ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช ื•ื’ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ื›ื™ ื”ืจื™ ื‘ื‘ืชื™-ื”ืกืคืจ, ืœืžืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื ื•ืœื“ื” ื›ืฉืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”. ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื ื•ืœื“ื” ื‘-1870, ื•ืื ืื ื™ ืœื ื˜ื•ืขื”, ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื–, ื–ื” ืฉื•ื‘ ืขื‘ืจ ืžืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™. ืื‘ืœ ื‘-1914, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ืœืงื—ื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”. ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉืฉื, ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืฉืชื™ ืฉืคื•ืช, ื’ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช ื•ื’ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช. ืื‘ืœ ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืฉื ื‘ื ื™ื‘, ืฉืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื• ืืœื–ืฉื™ืฉ, ืฉื–ื” ื ื™ื‘ ื—ืฆื™ ืฆืจืคืชื™ ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื’ืจืžื ื™, ืฉืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื• ื—ื•ืฅ ืžืื™ืชื ื•, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื—ื•ืฅ ืžื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื—ื™ื™ื ืฉื, ืฉื”ื ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื. ืื ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืข ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ืื ื™ ืžื™ื“ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื”ื ื™ื‘ ืฉืœื•, ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืฉื. ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื• ื‘ืฆืจืคืช, ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื‘ืœ ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื ืฉื ืืช ืฉืชื™ ื”ืฉืคื•ืช ื’ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช ื•ื’ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื”ื™ื• ื”ื™ื—ืกื™ื ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืœืฆืจืคืชื™ื ื”ื ื•ืฆืจื™ื?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืœื ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื™ื•ื—ื“.
ืฉ: ื”ืžื™ืœื” ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช, ื›ืžื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื‘ื™ื ื™ื ืื•ืชื” ื”ื™ื•, ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืงื™ื•ื, ืื™ื–ื•ืฉื”ื™ ืžืฉืžืขื•ืช ื‘ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื–ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื™ื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื™ื. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืžืฉื”ื•, ืฉืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื–ื›ืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ. ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืื•ืชื” ื›ื™ืชื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ ืžืžื ื™. ื”ื•ื ืžืกืคืจ, ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืžื•ืจื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ืฉื ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืคื™ื ื”. ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื”ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื–ื” ื‘ื ืœื›ื™ืชื” ืฉืœื™, ื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืฉื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืคื™ื ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ื”ื ื” ืฉื‘ื˜ ืื‘ืจื”ื". ืื ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ืฉื•ื ืกื™ื‘ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”. ื–ืืช ืื—ืช ื”ื“ื•ื’ืžืื•ืช. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืขื“ ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืš ืฉื”ืจื’ื™ืฉื• ืืช ื–ื”. ืœืžืฉืœ, ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืœื ื”ืจื’ืฉื ื• ืืช ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื’ื ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืกื™ื˜ื•ืืฆื™ื”, ืฉืืชื” ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื”, ืื‘ืœ ืืชื ืžื ื™ื—ื™ื, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื–ื” ื‘ืจื•ืจ, ื–ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ืื ื—ื ื• ืงืจืื ื• ืœืขืฆืžื ื• ื‘ืฉื ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืื‘ืจื”ื, ื•ืื‘ืจื”ื ื–ื” ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ืฉื ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืืชื ืžื ื™ื—ื™ื, ืฉื”ื”ืชื ื”ื’ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ื–ืืช ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื”ืชื ื”ื’ื•ืช ื”ื–ืืช ืฉืœ ื”ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ื’ื ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™. ืงืจืื• ืœื• ืฉื˜ืจื•ืœ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื–ื” ืฉืžืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก ื’ืจืžื ื™, ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ื’ื ืฉืคื ื›ืžื• ืœื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ. ื”ื•ื ื‘ืืžืช ืขืฉื” ืœื™ ืงืฆืช ืฆืจื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืื– ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืืœื ืจืง ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืžืขื˜ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ, ืื• ืฉื”ื™ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื›ื™ืชื•ืช?
ืช: ืœื, ืื™ืคื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ. ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืžื” ื ื›ื ืกื ื• ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืฉื ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืžื›ื™ืชื” ื' ืขื“ ื’ื™ืœ ืื—ืช-ืขืฉืจื”, ื›ื™ ื›ืฉืคืจืฆื” ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืŸ ืื—ืช-ืขืฉืจื”.
ืฉ: ืื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคื•ืจืฆืช ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื ืžืฉื›ื™ื ื›ืกื“ืจื, ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉื™ืš ื‘ืขืกืงื™ื ืฉืœื•, ื•ืืชื”, ืžืŸ ื”ืกืชื, ื”ื™ื™ืช ืžืžืฉื™ืš ืœืœืžื•ื“?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืคืกื ืชืจ, ื•ื’ื ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืœืžื“ื” ืคืกื ืชืจ. ืื—ื™ ืœืžื“ ื›ื™ื ื•ืจ. ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื’ื ืœืžื“ ื›ื™ื ื•ืจ. ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื•, ื›ืžื• ืฉืื•ืžืจื™ื, ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžื•ืกื™ืงืœื™ืช. ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืขืœ ืคืกื ืชืจ ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืืจื‘ืข ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ื ืจืงื“ื ื™ืช. ืžื™ ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœื”? ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืื•ืœื™ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชืš. ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ื ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™, ืงืจืื• ืœื” ืžื“ืื ืื•ืคืจื‘ื•ืœืก, ื”ื™ื ื”ืจืงื“ื ื™ืช ืฉืจืงื“ื” ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื”ื›ืชืจื” ืฉืœ ืžืœืš ืื ื’ืœื™ื” ื’'ื•ืจื’' ื”ื—ืžื™ืฉื™, ื”ื™ื ืจืงื“ื” ื‘ืื•ืชื” ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœื”. ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื•ื’ื ืฉืœ ืื—ื•ืชื™. ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืœืžื“ื” ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืืจื‘ืข ื’ื ืจื™ืงื•ื“ ื•ื’ื ืคืกื ืชืจ.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ื”ื™ื•ื ืขืœ ื”ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืฉืงื™ื‘ืœืชื โ€“ ื ื’ื™ื ื”, ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”, ืชื ื•ืขื•ืช ื ื•ืขืจ...
ืช: ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื’ื ื ื™ื’ื ื” ืขืœ ืคืกื ืชืจ.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืœื“ืขืชืš ื”ื™ื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื›ื, ืžื” ื”ื ืจืฆื•, ืœืืŸ ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืฉืชื’ื™ืขื•?
ืช: ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ืœื ืขื–ื‘ื” ืื•ืชื ื•, ื”ื™ื ืœื—ืฆื” ืขืœื™ื ื• ืœื ื’ืŸ. ื”ื™ื ืจื“ืคื” ืื—ืจื™ื ื• ื•ืืžืจื” ืœื ื•: "ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื–ื” ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืœื ื’ืŸ!" ื”ื™ื ืžืžืฉ, ืื ื”ื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื•ื—ืฆืช ืขืœื™ื ื•, ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื ื’ื ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ื” ืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื‘ื™ืช ื˜ื™ืคื—ื• ืืชื›ื, ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉ ืกืคื•ืจื˜?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉ ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ื•ื’ื ืื ื™ ืื™ืฉ ืกืคื•ืจื˜.
ืฉ: ืื– ื‘ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ื˜ื™ืคื—ื• ืืช ื”ืฆื“ ื”ืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื‘ื™ ืฉืœื›ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื˜ื—, ื‘ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ื˜ื™ืคื—ื• ื’ื ืืช ื”ืฆื“ ื”ืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื‘ื™ ืฉืœื ื•. ืื ื™ ืฉื™ื—ืงืชื™ ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ, ืฉื™ื—ืงืชื™ ื’ื ื›ื“ื•ืจืกืœ, ื•ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื’ื ื”ืชืขืžืœื•ืช. ื‘ื›ืœืœ, ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ื ืคืจื˜ื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ื”ืชืขืžืœื•ืช ืขืœ ืžื›ืฉื™ืจื™ื ืืฆืœ ืžื•ืจื” ืคืจื˜ื™ืช. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ื›ื™ื ื•ืจ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื•, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ื’ื ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืคืกื ืชืจ. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉืขืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื•ืขืจ, ื”ื ื” ืืช ืจื•ืื”, ื–ื” ื ืฉื‘ืจ, ื–ื” ืžื”ืฉืขืจ, ื–ื” ืžื”ืฉืขืจ ื•ื–ื” ืžื”ืฉืขืจ. ืคื” ืฉื‘ืจืชื™, ื•ืคื” ืฉื‘ืจืชื™. ืœื ืจืง ืื‘ื ืฉื™ื—ืง ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ ืืœื ื’ื ืื ื™ ืฉื™ื—ืชื™ ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ. ื˜ื•ื‘, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ. ืื ื™ ืคื” ื‘ืืจืฅ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื™ืฉ ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ ื—ืฉื•ื‘, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื—ืจืื™ ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื”ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ ื‘ืื–ื•ืจ ื”ืฆืคื•ืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื”ืœืช ื”ื”ืชืื—ื“ื•ืช ืœื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ. ืœื ื—ืฉื•ื‘, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืื—ืจ. ื–ื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืืช ืฉืืœืช ืขืœ ืกืคื•ืจื˜.
ืฉ: "ืžืขืฉื” ืื‘ื•ืช ืกื™ืžืŸ ืœื‘ื ื™ื". ืื– ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืื“ื ื›ืจื™ื–ืžื˜ื™, ืขืฉื™ืจ, ืืžื™ื“ ื•ืžื‘ื•ืกืก. ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžื˜ืคื—ืช, ื•ื”ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืจืฆื•ืคื”...
ืช: ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืขืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืŸ ืขืฉืจ ื›ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื• ื ืคื˜ืจ, ื•ืืช ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื‘ื›ื•ื—ื•ืช ืขืฆืžื•. ื”ื•ื ืœืžื“ ืื•ืคืจื” ืœื‘ื“. ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข ืœืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ ืคืขื ื‘ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื›ื“ื™ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื—ื–ื ื•ืช, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื” ืœื‘ื“. ื”ื•ื ืœืžื“ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ื”ื•ื ืœืžื“, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœืžื“. ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืžืคืขืœ ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื”ืื—ื™ื ืฉืœื•, ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื‘ื“. ืœืžืขืฉื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืื‘ื, ื•ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื• ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ืฉื•ื•ืงื™ื. ืœื ืจืง ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื•ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืืช ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื‘ืฉื ืช 39' ืคืจืฆื” ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื‘ืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ื‘ืฉื ืช 33' ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขืœื™ื™ืช ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจ ื”ื ืืฆื™ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”. ื”ืื ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื›ืœ ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ื ื’ื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื”ืื ื–ื” ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg)? ืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ืžื•ื“ืข ืœื–ื” ืฉื”ืžื™ืœื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™...?
ืช: ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉืžืขื ื• ืขืœ ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ. ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื‘-39' ืคืจืฆื” ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืื‘ืœ, ื‘ืขืฆื, ืž-38' ื›ื‘ืจ ื’ื-ื›ืŸ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg)...
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช, ื”ืื ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื”ื”ื“ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื™ื ื•ื™ื™ื ื”ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ื™ื ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืจื“ื™ืคืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื”ืื ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื–ื” ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืœืคื ื™ 39'?
ืช: ืฉืžืขื ื• ืขืœ ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ. ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื•, ืฉืื ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ื™ื‘ื•ื ื ืขืฉื” ืœื• ื›ื›ื”, ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืœื• ื›ื›ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืจืฆื™ื ื™.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื— ืฉืœ ื™ืœื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื— ืฉืœ ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืฉืื ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ื™ื‘ื•ื, ื ืขืฉื” ืœื• ื›ื›ื” ื•ื›ื›ื”.
ืฆื“ ืฉื ื™:
ืฉ: ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืขืœื™ื™ืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ืœืฉืœื˜ื•ืŸ. ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื• ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื”ืื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœืš ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื” ืฉืœ ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืฉื‘ืจื—ื• ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื”?
ืช: ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ืœื“ ื–ื” ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืืฉืชื™ ื‘ืจื—ื” ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืชืกืคืจ ืืช ื–ื”. ืชืจืื™, ืื ื—ื ื• ื’ื“ืœื ื• ื‘ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื ื•.
ืฉ: ืฉื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืกื“ืจ. ื—ื™ื™ืช ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืžื•ื’ืŸ, ืžื’ืŸ, ืฉืื ืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืืžื™ื“ื”. ืฉื ืช 39' ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ืกืคื˜ืžื‘ืจ...
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืจื—ื ื• ืžืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘-38', ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื‘ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื”ื™ื›ื ืก ืœืžืœื—ืžื” ื‘-38'. ื›ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืจื›ื– ื›ื•ื—ื•ืช ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ืจื™ื™ืŸ ืขื ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื– ื—ืฉื‘ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื”ื™ื›ื ืก ืœืžืœื—ืžื”.
ืฉ: ืžืžืจื•ืื™ื™ื ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ืžืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืœืžื“ืชื™, ืฉื”ืคื™ื ื•ื™ ืฉืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื ืขืฉื” ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ืกืคื˜ืžื‘ืจ 39' ื•ืœื ื‘-38'.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ. ืื‘ืœ ื‘-38' ื’ื ืคื™ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืืช ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ืžื” ืงืจื” ื‘-38'?
ืช: ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื‘ื• ืฉื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืชืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘-38', ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ื”ื•ืจืื” ืœืคื ื•ืช ืืช ื›ืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืœื ืจืง ืืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืืœื ืืช ื›ืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ื•ืคื™ื ื• ืืชื›ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘-38' ืคื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื™ื–ื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉ, ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื™ื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉื›ืœ ืžืืชื™ื™ื ืืœืฃ ื”ืื–ืจื—ื™ื ืฉืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื›ื‘ืจ ืคื•ื ื• ื‘-38', ื•ืืชื ืขื–ื‘ืชื ืืช ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื•ืืช ื”ื›ืœ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื–ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื”ื›ืœ.
ืฉ: ื•ืœืืŸ ืขื‘ืจืชื?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœืขื™ืจ ืฉืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื” ืจืžื™ืจืžื•.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ ื ื›ื ืก ืœืื–ื•ืจ?
ืช: ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ. ื›ืžื• ืžืœื—ืžืช ืฉืฉืช ื”ื™ืžื™ื, ื›ืฉื—ืฉื‘ื• ืฉื–ื” ืžืชื—ื™ืœ, ื•ื—ื™ื›ื• ืฉื‘ื•ืขื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉื”, ืืจื‘ืขื” ืขื“ ืฉื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ.
ืฉ: ื•ืื– ืืชื ื—ื–ืจืชื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื–ืจื ื•, ืื—ืจื™ ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ื•ื—ืฆื™, ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื™ื ื”ื—ื–ื™ืจื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื•ื”ืžืฉื™ื›ื• ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื›ืžื• ืจื’ื™ืœ, ืขื“ ืฉื‘-39' ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช, ื•ืื– ืคื™ื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื•ืœื ืจืง ืืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื ืฉืžืขืชื, ืฉืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืคื ื•ืช ืฉื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ, ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืžืฉืžืขื•ืช ืฉืœ ื–ื” ืœืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื™ื” ื—ื™ื™ื ื ื•ืจืžื˜ื™ื‘ื™ื™ื, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื” ืคืจื ืกื” ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ื”ื›ืœ?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืื– ืื•ื˜ื• ื—ื“ืฉ ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ืžื“-ืคื•ืจื˜. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ืื”ื‘ ืื•ื˜ื• ื—ื“ืฉ, ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื’ื ืืžืฆืขื™ื, ื•ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื– ืงื ื™ื ื• ืื•ื˜ื• ื—ื“ืฉ. ืขื ื”ืื•ื˜ื• ื”ื–ื” ืื‘ื ืขื–ืจ ืœืคื ื•ืช ืืช ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉืื‘ื ื ืฉืืจ ืขื•ื“ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืคื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืื•ื›ืœื•ืกื™ื™ื” ืžืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ืื ืฉื™ื, ื—ื–ืจ, ื•ื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืขื•ื“ ืžืฉืคื—ื”. ื›ื›ื” ื”ื•ื ืขื–ืจ ืœืคื™ื ื•ื™ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืขื“ ืฉื’ืžืจื• ืœืคื ื•ืช ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืขื™ืจ.
ืฉ: ื•ืœืืŸ ืืชื ื”ืœื›ืชื ืื–?
ืช: ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืกืขื ื• ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื–ืืช ืขื™ืจ ืฉื ืžืฆืืช ื‘ืžืจื›ื– ืฆืจืคืช, ืฉืฉื ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ื“ื•ืงื˜ื•ืจ ืจื™ื™ื–ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืจื•ืคื, ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืฉื ื‘ื™ืช ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื–ื” ืงืฆืช ื ืžื•ืš ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžืจื›ื– ืฆืจืคืช. ืขืœ ื•ื•ื™ืฉื™ ืฉืžืขืช ื‘ื•ื•ื“ืื™, ืื– ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื ืžืฆืืช ื‘ืžืจื—ืง ืฉืœ ื‘ืขืจืš ืฉื™ืฉื™ื ืง"ืž ืžื•ื•ื™ืฉื™.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžื” ืฉื ื›ืœืœ ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช?
ืช: ืื– ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืœื—ืžื”. ื‘-39' ื ืกืขื ื• ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ืื– ื›ืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืคื•ื ืชื”. ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืชื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื ืกืขื• ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื—ืœืง ื ืกืขื• ืœืคื™ื™ืจื™ื’ื•, ื•ื—ืœืง ื ืกืขื• ืœืœื™ืžื•ื–'. ื›ืœ ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ืช ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืคื•ื ืชื” ืื– ื’ื ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ื” ืฉืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื– ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand).
ืฉ: ืืชื ื‘ื—ืจืชื ืื– ืœืืŸ ืœืœื›ืช, ืื• ืฉื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ืฉืœื—ื” ืืชื›ื ืœืฉื?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ื—ืจื ื• ืœืœื›ืช ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื›ื™ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ืฉื, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืื—ืช ื”ืื—ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื” ืคืื ื™, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ืจื” ืฉื. ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื ืฉื•ืื” ืœื“ื•ืงืจื˜ ืจื™ื™ื–ืœ. ืžื™ ื–ื” ื“ื•ืงื˜ื•ืจ ืจื™ื™ื–ืœ? ื–ื” ื’ื ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื‘ืคื ื™ ืขืฆืžื•.
ืฉ: ืื– ืืชื ื”ื’ืขืชื ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื•ืžื” ืืชื ืขืฉื™ืชื ืฉื? ืืชื ื”ืชืžืงืžืชื, ื”ืชื™ื™ืฉื‘ืชื, ืฉื›ืจืชื ืฉื ื“ื™ืจื”?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื’ืจื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื”ื, ืฉืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™, ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื‘ื™ืช ื•ื•ื™ืœื” ืขื ื—ืฆืจ ืขื ืฉืชื™ ืงื•ืžื•ืช. ื”ื ืคื™ื ื• ืืช ื”ืงื•ืžื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื ื•, ื•ื”ื ื’ืจื• ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ืœืžื˜ื”, ื•ื’ื ื”ืงืœื™ื ื™ืงื” ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœืžื˜ื”. ื‘-39' ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืืœื™ื”ื ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื•ื”ื ืคื™ื ื• ืœื ื• ืงื•ืžื”.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื—ืฉื‘ืชื ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื”, ื—ืฉื‘ืชื ืฉื–ื” ืœื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ, ืื• ืฉื”ื‘ื ืชื ืฉื–ื”...?
ืช: ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ืชื’ื™ื™ืก. ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื’ื™ื™ืก, ื•ื”ื™ื•ืช ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ืื– ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืฉืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื™ื™ื›ืช ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื ื•ืœื“, ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื ื•ืœื“ ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ื•ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืœื›ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืื–ืจื—ื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช. ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื ื“ื‘ ืœืœื’ื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ืจื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื ื“ื‘ ืœืœื’ื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ืจื™ื, ื”ื•ื ื™ืฆื ืœืžืœื—ืžื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื” ืขื“ 1940, ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”. ื•ืžื” ื”ื™ื”? ื‘-1940 ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืชืคืกื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื’ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื• ืฉืœ ื”ืœื’ื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ืจื™ื. ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืœื›ืช ื‘ืจื’ืœ ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื’ื“ื•ื“, ืื• ืขื ื”ื—ื˜ื™ื‘ื” ืฉืœื•, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื™ืš ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื–ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ืจื— ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื”ืœื™ืœื”.
ืฉ: ื”ื•ื ื‘ืจื— ืžื”ืฉื‘ื™?
ืช: ื”ื ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืื– ื‘ืฉื‘ื™, ืืœื ื”ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ืœื›ื•, ืฆืขื“ื• ืขื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื. ืื‘ื ืœืžื“, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืืจื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื ืคืฆืข ืฉื ืืจื‘ืข ืคืขืžื™ื. ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ื ืฉืง ืœื ืžืฉืื™ืจื™ื ืœืื•ื™ื‘!" ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ืฉื ืžืจื’ืžื”, ื”ื•ื ืœืงื— ืืช ื”ืžืจื’ืžื” ืขืœ ื”ื’ื‘, ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ืจื— ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื”. ื”ื•ื ื ืคืœ ืฉื ืœื‘ื•ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื ืคืฆืข, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื—ื•ืœื™ื, ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื—ื•ืœื™ื ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–? ื›ื™ ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื‘ืขื™ืจ ื”ื–ืืช ื˜ื•ืœื•ื– ื”ื™ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืฉืœ ื”ืžื—ืชืจืช, ืฉืื‘ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืฉื. ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ืคืชืื•ื ืื™ื–ื” ืžื›ืชื‘, ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ื•ืœื™ื, ื•ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื”ื•ื ื™ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื ื•. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื’ื ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืžืื– ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ื•ืœื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื‘ืงื™ืฅ 40', ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื‘ืงื™ืฅ 40'. ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ืžืื™ 40' ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืคืœืฉื• ืœืฆืจืคืช.
ืช: ืžื” ื–ื” ืคื•ืœืฉื™ื? ื”ื ืคืœืฉื• ืœืฆืจืคืช ื‘-39'.
ืฉ: ืœื, ื‘-39' ื”ื ืขื•ื“ ืœื ืคืœืฉื• ืœืฆืจืคืช.
ืช: ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ ื—ืœืงื™ื ื‘ืฆืจืคืช, ื”ื™ื” ื—ืœืง...
ืฉ: ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ืฆืจืคืช, ืื ื™ ืœื ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขืœ ื—ื‘ืœ ืืœื–ืืก-ืœื•ืจืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืื™ 1940. ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืื– ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand)?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื– ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand).
ืฉ: ื•ืื– ืื‘ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืฉื ืขื•ื“ ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื™ ืืžืจ ืœืš ืฉื”ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘-40'.
ืฉ: ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ืžืื™ 40' ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืคืœืฉื• ืœืฆืจืคืช.
ืช: ืœื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช. ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืฉื”ื ืคืœืฉื• ื‘-39', ืื– ื”ื ืคืœืฉื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืืชื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืื– ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืช: ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื•ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ืฆืจืคืช.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืืช ืฉืืจ ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื›ื‘ืฉื• ื‘ืžืื™ 40'.
ืช: ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ ื—ืœืงื™ื โ€“ ืฆืจืคืช...
ืฉ: ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช ืฉืœ ื•ื•ื™ืฉื™, ื•ืฆืจืคืช ืฉื ื›ื‘ืฉื” ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ืžืื™ 40', ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืคืจื™ื– ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื—ืœืง ื”ืฆืคื•ื ื™ ืฉืœ ืฆืจืคืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื”ืขื™ืจ ืฉื‘ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื, ื”ื™ื ื ืžืฆืืช ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ืฉืœ ื•ื•ื™ืฉื™?
ืช: ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื ืžืฆืืช ื‘ื—ืœืง ื”ื“ืจื•ืžื™, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืžืชื—ืช ืœื—ืœืง ื”ื“ืจื•ืžื™. ื—ืฆื™ ืฆืจืคืช ื‘ืขืจืš ื–ื” ืฆืคื•ืŸ ื•ื—ืœืง ื–ื” ื“ืจื•ื.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ื—ืœืง ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื?
ืช: ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื ื›ื ืกื• ื‘-42'.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืฆืจืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืฆืจืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช, ื›ื‘ื™ื›ื•ืœ. ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืžื” ื”ื™ื”? ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ืืฆืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื”ืจื•ืคื. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื™ื“ืข ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื“ืขื ื•, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืื“ื ืžืขืฉื™, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืœื”ืงื™ื ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื‘ื”ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื’ื™ืข ืขื•ื“ ืžืขื˜ ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœืš, ื™ืฉ ืืช ื”ืขื“ื•ืช ืฉืœืš. ืขื‘ืจืชื ืœื’ื•ืจ ืืฆืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ืจื•ืคื, ืื™ืš ื”ืชื ื”ืœื• ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ื•ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืœ 1939? ื ื›ื ืกืช ืœื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ. ืชืจืื™, ืชืกืœื—ื™ ืœื™, ืืช ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืฉืœื‘, ืฉืœื‘, ื›ื™ ื–ืืช ื”ืชื›ื ื™ืช ืฉืœืš, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื•ืœืš ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื›ื›ื”.
ืฉ: ื”ืชืคืงื™ื“ ืฉืœื™ ืœื›ืกื•ืช ื’ื ืืช ื”ื—ืœืงื™ื, ืฉืืชื” ืœื ืžื›ืกื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ืฉืœ ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืชืงื•ืคืช ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื’ื™ืข ืขื•ื“ ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœืš. ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื” ืขื“ ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื‘ืœื’ื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ืจื™ื, ื•ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืืฆืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ืจื•ืคื.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืืฆืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ืจื•ืคื.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืืชื ื”ืชืืจื’ื ืชื ืฉื? ืื™ืš ื”ืชืืจื’ื ื• ื”ืžื›ืจื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉืœื›ื? ืžื” ืงืจื” ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืฉืœื‘?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ, ื•ืื ื™ ื’ื ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืื– ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืคืกื ืชืจ.
ืฉ: ื”ืจื™ ืื‘ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื”ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ืื™ื’, ื”ืื ื–ื” ื”ืขืกื™ืง ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”? ื”ืื ื™ื“ืขืชื ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื•?
ืช: ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื•ื ื›ืฉืžื’ื™ื™ืกื™ื ื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื ืœืžืœื—ืžื”, ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžื•ื“ืื’ืช ื•ืžื•ื˜ืจื“ืช.
ืช: ื˜ื•ื‘, ืชืจืื™, ื‘ืจื•ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื•ื˜ืจื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื– ืžื” ืงืจื” ืœื›ื, ืคืชืื•ื ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื‘ืœื™ ืื‘ื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ืžืฉืคื—ืช ื˜ืจืื•ื•ืฆ'ื™ืง, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ื•ื”ื ื ืกืขื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืœืœื’ื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ืจื™ื. ืื‘ื ื—ื–ืจ, ื•ื”ื•ื ืœื ื—ื–ืจ, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื ื”ืจื’ ืฉื. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืืฉืชื• ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืื” ืืœื™ื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื™ื—ืกื™ื...
ืฉ: ืืชื ืขื‘ืจืชื ืฉืจืฉืจืช ืฉืœ ืื™ืจื•ืขื™ื, ืžืคื™ื ื•ื™ ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช, ืคื™ื ื•ื™ ืžื”ืขื™ืจ, ืžืขื‘ืจ ื›ืžื• ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื ืœืžืงื•ื ืื—ืจ, ื”ืชื’ื™ื™ืกื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืœืฆื‘ื. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืงืจื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืœื, ืื– ืœื ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืกื ื•. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื—ื•ื’ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืฉื ืฉื ื™ ื‘ื ื™-ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื’ื ืขื•ื“ ื‘ื ื•ืช-ื“ื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ื•ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ื—ื™ื™ื ืจื’ื™ืœื™ื, ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ื›ืš ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื ื™ื 40'-41' ืื‘ืœ ืž-41' ื–ื” ื”ืฉืชื ื”.
ืฉ: ืื‘ื ื—ื–ืจ, ื•ืžื” ื”ื•ื ืชื›ื ืŸ ืœืขืฉื•ืช? ืืžืจืช, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืงื™ื ืื™ื–ื” ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื‘ื”ืจื™ื?
ืช: ืื‘ื ื—ื–ืจ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืฉืžืฉื”ื• ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืงืจื•ืช. ื”ื•ื ืœืงื— ืฉื˜ื— ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื‘ืžืจื—ืง ืฉืœ ืฉื ื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ืง"ืž ืžืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ื”ืจืจื™, ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืฉื ืคื™ื’'ื“ื•ืŸ, ืฉื–ื” ื”ืจ ืฉืœ 1,300-1,200 ืžื˜ืจ ื’ื•ื‘ื”. ื”ื•ื ืฉื›ืจ ืฉื ื—ืœืงืช ืื“ืžื” ื‘ืื–ื•ืจ ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ืฉืื˜ืŸ-ื ื™ืจื”. ืžื” ื–ื” ืฉืื˜ืŸ-ื ื™ืจื”? ื”ืคื™ืจื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ืฉืฉืžื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื’ืจื™ืœ...
ืฉ: ืขืจืžื•ื ื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ืขืจืžื•ื ื™ื. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืฉื˜ื— ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืฉืœ ืขืจืžื•ื ื™ื, ื•ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืžื—ืฆื‘ื” ื™ืฉื ื”, ืฉื”ื•ืฆื™ืื•. ืžืขืœ ื–ื” ื™ืฉ ืฉื“ื•ืช, ืื‘ื ืœืงื— ืฉื ืฉื“ื•ืช, ื”ื•ื ืขืกืง ื‘ื—ืงืœืื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ื” ืฉื ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ื” ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืขืฆืžื•. ื”ื•ื ืชื›ื ืŸ ื•ื‘ื ื” ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ื ื” ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ืœื ืžืกืชื ืงืจืฉื™ื, ืืœื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืฅ ืฉื ื›ื ืก, ืฉื–ื” ื ืงืจื ื‘ื•ืคื˜ื”, ืฉืขื•ืฉื™ื ืฉื ื—ืจื™ืฅ, ืื– ื–ื” ื ื›ื ืก ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™. ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ื” ืฉื ื’ื ืืช ื”ื’ื’ ื•ืืช ื›ืœ ื–ื”. ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื” ื™ืฉ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืฉืื ื™ ืืกืคืจ ืœืš ืื•ืชื• ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืžื—ื‘ื•ื, ืฉืœืคื ื™ ืฉืคื™ื–ืจื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืจื“ืคื• ืื—ืจื™ื”ื, ื”ื ื‘ืื• ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ. ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื” ืงืจืื• ื•ื•ื™ืœื”-ืžื™ืงื”. ืœืžื” ื•ื•ื™ืœื” ืžื™ืงื”? ื›ื™ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ืจื•ืคื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฆื™ื™ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืื”ื‘ ืœืฆื™ื™ืจ. ื”ื ื” ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื ืฉืœื• ื•ื’ื ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื ืฉืœื•. ื”ื•ื ืฆื™ื™ืจ ืžื™ืงื™ืžืื•ืก ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืขืœ ื”ื“ืœืช ืฉืœ ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ืœื›ืŸ ืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ื•ื•ื™ืœื”-ืžื™ืงื”. ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื™ื“ืขื•, ืฉืื ืจื•ื“ืคื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื”ื, ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืืช ื•ื•ื™ืœื”-ืžื™ืงื”. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื ืฆื˜ืจืš ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ ื‘ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื‘. ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ื” ื‘ืขืฆืžื• ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื•ืขืฉื” ื—ืงืœืื•ืช ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ. ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืขื’ื‘ื ื™ื•ืช, ืžืœืคืคื•ื ื™ื, ืชืคื•ื—ื™-ืื“ืžื”, ื›ืœ ื”ื™ืจืงื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืฉื ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืื™ื–ื” ืฉื ื™ ื“ื•ื ื, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื—ืœืงื•ืช, ื—ืœืงื•ืช. ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื‘ื ืœืชื•ืš ื”ื™ืขืจ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืขืจืžื•ื ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืฉื ืชืจื’ื™ืœื™ื. ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืชืจื’ื™ืœื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื—ืฆื‘ื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืขืฆื™ื. ืคืชืื•ื ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืขืœื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ื™ืจืงื•ืช, ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืจื•ืฅ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ืจืงื•ืช, ื•ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ. ืื‘ื ืฆืขืง ืขืœื™ื”ื. ื”ื ืœื ื™ื“ืขื•, ืฉื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื” ืžืฉืžืฉ ืœื›ื™ืกื•ื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืžื‘ืจื™ื—ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื‘ืจื—ื•. ื”ื•ื ืฆืขืง ืขืœื™ื”ื. ื˜ื•ื‘ ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ืขืฉื” ื˜ืขื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ืฆืขืง ืขืœื™ื”ื ื‘ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื’ื ืœืฆืขื•ืง ืขืœื™ื”ื ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ื›ื™ ืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื•ื™ ื•ืื‘ื•ื™, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช ื›ืžื• ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช. ื”ื•ื ืฆืขืง ืขืœื™ื”ื ืฉื™ืกืชืœืงื• ืžืคื”, ืžื”ื™ืจืงื•ืช, ื•ื”ื ื‘ืืžืช ื”ืกืชืœืงื•. ืื ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘-41', ื•ืื– ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ื”ืจื“ื™ืคื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ื‘-41' ืื‘ื ื”ื•ื–ืžืŸ, ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืžื›ืชื‘ ืื•ืจื’ื™ื ืืœื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื” ืฉืœ ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื–ืืช ืขื™ืจ ืฉืœ ื‘ืขืจืš ืžืื” ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื, ืžืื” ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืืœืฃ ืชื•ืฉื‘ื™ื. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื”ื–ืžื ื” ืžื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื” ืฉืœ ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื•ื›ืชื•ื‘ ืฉื: "ืงืกื˜ืจื• ื–'ื•ืื™ืฃ, ื‘ืจื• ื“ืงืกื˜ืจื• ื–'ื•ืื™ืฃ", ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ืžืฉืจื“ ืœืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื. ืžื” ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื”ื–ืžื ื” ื”ื–ืืช? ื”ื ืจืฆื•, ื›ื ืจืื”, ืœืฉื™ื ื—ื•ืชืžืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื‘ืชื•ืš ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื”ื–ื”ื•ืช. ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืื‘ื ืœื ื”ืœืš.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืžืกืคืจ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš, ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืื•ืชื•. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืžืงื‘ื™ืœ ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืžื•ืข ื’ื ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœืš. ื›ืฉืื‘ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ื”ื–ืžื ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ ืฉื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืœื ืœืœื›ืช, ื–ื” ืžืฉื”ื•, ืฉืืชื” ื™ื“ืขืช ืขืœื™ื• ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืจื’ืข? ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื™ื™ืขืฅ ืื– ืขื ืื™ืžื, ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืขืœ ื–ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืื• ืฉืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืขืœื™ื• ื‘ื“ื™ืขื‘ื“?
ืช: ืขืœ ื–ื” ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ืื ื™ ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืžื›ืชื‘ ื”ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื™ื“ืขืช?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ืจืง ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ืืœื ืคืชืื•ื ื‘ื ืืœื™ื ื•, ืœื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื•, ืฉืœ ื”ืจื•ืคื, ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ืจืืฉื•ื ื”. ื‘ื ืืœื™ื ื• ืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื“ืงื˜ืœื•ื ื™ื”. ืื™ืš ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื ื•? ืžื™ ืฉืœื— ืื•ืชื•? ื”ืื ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืชื ืงืฉืจ? ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข. ื‘ื ืืœื™ื ื• ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื“ืงื˜ืœื•ื ื™ื”. ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื” ื–ื” ื“ืงื˜ืœื•ื ื™ื”? ืงื˜ืœื•ืŸ ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื‘ืกืคืจื“, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืฉื ืฉืœ ื”ืื“ื ื”ื–ื” ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื“ืงื˜ืœื•ื ื™ื”. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื ืžื•ืš ื•ืจื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื”ืคื ื™ื ืฉืœื•. ื”ื ืฉื ื™ื”ื, ืื‘ื ื•ื”ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื ื•. ืืช ืฉื•ืืœืช ืขืœื™. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ืŸ ืฉืชื™ื™ื-ืขืฉืจื”, ืฉืœื•ืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืช ืื– ื‘ืŸ ืฉืชื™ื™ื-ืขืฉืจื”, ืฉืœื•ืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”, ื•ืืชื” ืžืกืคืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืงืจื• ืœืื‘ื. ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช ืื•ืชืš, ื”ืื ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืงืจื• ืœืื‘ื, ื–ืืช ืื™ื ืคื•ืจืžืฆื™ื” ืฉืœืžื“ืช ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืื• ืฉืืชื” ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื” ืžื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืื– ืคืกื ืชืจ ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ. ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ื”ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช, ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ืžื›ืชื‘ ื”ื–ื” ื”ืชืงื‘ืœ ืืฆืœื ื•, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘-41', ืื– ืคืชืื•ื ื‘ื ื”ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื“ืงื˜ืœื•ื ื™ื” ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื ืืจื’ื ื•.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืœื ืœืœื›ืช?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ืŸ ืฉืชื™ื™ื-ืขืฉืจื”, ืฉืœื•ืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืื‘ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื”ื–ืžื ื” ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ื™ ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื”, ืื• ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ ืœืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืœื ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘. ื›ืฉื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืœื ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘, ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืžืฉืžืขื•ืช ืฉืœ ื–ื”? ื”ืื ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ, ื”ืื ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื‘ืจื•ื—, ืžื” ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช?
ืช: ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื–ื” ืื‘ื ื‘ื ื” ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ, ื•ืœื ืจืง ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืžื ืกื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืœื ืจืง ืืช ืžื” ืฉืื‘ื ืขืฉื”, ืืœื ืืช ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ืืช ืชืžื•ื ืช ื”ืžืฆื‘, ืืช ืžื” ืฉืงืจื”, ืืช ื”ืœื‘ื˜ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœืื ืฉื™ื, ืืช ื”ืงื•ื ืคืœื™ืงื˜ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื, ื”ืื ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื—ืจื“ื™ื, ื”ืื ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžื‘ื•ื”ืœื™ื, ื”ืื ื”ื ื“ืื’ื•? ืื ื™ ืžื‘ื™ื ื” ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืื“ื ืืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ืกื™ื˜ื•ืืฆื™ื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื–.
ืช: ืืช ืฉื•ืžืขืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ืื•ืœื™ ื›ื›ื” ื—ื•ื ื›ื ื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื‘ื›ื™ื™ื ื™ื. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืืฃ ืคืขื ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืกื™ืคืจ ืขืœ ืขืฆืžื• ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉืชืงืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื”ื•ื ืกื™ืจื‘ ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘, ืžืชื™ ืฉืžืขืช ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืœื ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘?
ืช: ื›ื™ ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืžืคื•ื‘ืจืงื™ื. ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืฉื ื” ื‘ืกื•ืฃ 41' ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืื– ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื”ื”ืชื ื’ื“ื•ืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ื“ื™ืจื”, ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืจื•ืคื.
ืฉ: ืื•ืชื• ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื’ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™. ืื™ืš ืฉื‘ื ืื•ืชื• ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื“ืงื˜ืœื•ื ื™ื”, ืื™ื ื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ื•ื ื‘ื, ืžื™ ืฉืœื— ืื•ืชื•. ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื•, ื›ื ืจืื”, ืงืฉืจื™ื, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉ ืžื•ื›ืจ. ืื‘ืœ ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉืชืงืŸ, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ, ืืคื™ืœื• ืขืœ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื”ื•ื ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ ืืฃ ืคืขื.
ืฉ: ืื– ืืชื” ื—ื™ื™ืช ื—ื™ื™ื ืจื’ื™ืœื™ื, ืืชื” ื•ื”ืื—ื™ื ืฉืœืš, ื”ืœื›ืช ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ื™ื™ื ืจื’ื™ืœื™ื. ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ.
ืฉ: ื ื™ื’ื ืช ืขืœ ืคืกื ืชืจ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื ื™ื’ื ืชื™ ืขืœ ืคืกื ืชืจ. ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืืœื ื›ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื‘-42' ื ื›ื ืกื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ืื– ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื”...
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืื‘ื ื‘ื ื” ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืชื‘ืงืฉ ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ ืœืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ืงื•ื“ื, ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืชื‘ืงืฉ ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ ืœืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ืคื’ืฉ ืืช ืื•ืชื• ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ืฆืจืคืชื™.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืคื’ืฉ ืืช ืื•ืชื• ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช\.
ืฉ: ื•ืžื” ื”ื ืชื›ื ื ื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“?
ืช: ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืžืคื•ื‘ืจืงื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื–ื”ื•ืช ืžืคื•ื‘ืจืงืช ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™.
ืฉ: ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืœืขืฆืžื ืื• ื’ื ืœืื—ืจื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ื ืขืฉื• ื’ื ืœืื—ืจื™ื, ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืœื›ื•ืœื. ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ืœื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืงืจื˜ื™-ื“ื ื˜ื™ื˜ื™ื”, ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ื–ื”ื•ืช ื•ืืคื™ืœื• ืคืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื•, ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช, ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ืฆืจืคืช. ืื– ืœื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืงืจืื• ืื– ื‘ืฉืžื•ืช ืื—ืจื™ื. ืœื ื• ืงืจืื• ืื– ืื•ื‘ืจื™ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืื‘ืจื”ื.
ืฉ: ื”ื•ื ื”ื›ื™ืŸ ืœื›ืœ ื‘ื ื™ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ. ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื ืกืขื” ื‘ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ืขื ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื”ื–ื”ื•ืช ื”ืžืคื•ื‘ืจืงืช ืฉืœื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœืชืช ื›ืกืฃ ืœืื ืฉื™ื. ื›ืคื™ ืฉืืช ื‘ื˜ื— ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื– ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื•ื›ืœ, ืื– ื”ื™ื• ืงื•ืคื•ื ื™ื, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืชืœื•ืฉื™ ืžื–ื•ืŸ, ืฉืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื–ื”, ืืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื–ื”ื•ืช ื•ืขื ื›ืœ ื–ื”. ืื™ืžื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœื—ืœืง ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉืคื™ื–ืจื ื• ื‘ื”ืจื™ื. ื”ืจื™ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ืขื‘ืจื• ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื ื ืฉืืจื• ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉืคื™ื–ืจื ื• ื‘ื”ืจื™ื, ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ?
ืช: ื‘ืื• ืฉื ื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื”. ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื“ื™ืœืžื™ืงื™, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื• ืจื“ื™ืคื•ืช, ื”ื ืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื•ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืจื—ืง ืฉืœ ืฉืœื•ืฉื”, ืืจื‘ืขื” ืง"ืž ืžืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ื‘ื•ืžื•. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื›ืคืจ ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ื‘ื•ืžื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ื‘ื›ืคืจ, ืืœื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ืžื‘ื•ื“ื“. ืžื™ ืฉืœื ื™ื“ืข ืขืœ ื”ืงื™ื•ื ืฉืœ ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื”, ืœื ื™ื“ืข ืฉื™ืฉ ืฉื ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ืฉืื‘ื ื‘ื ื”. ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื’ื•ื“ืœ ืฉืœ ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ืขืœ ืฉื™ืฉื” ืžื˜ืจ ื›ื›ื”. ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ืกืŸ ืงื˜ืŸ, ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื›ืœื™ื ื—ืงืœืื™ื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื’ื ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืžืฉื. ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื‘ืื• ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืกื™ื“ืจ ืื•ืชื ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš, ืคืขื ืคื” ื•ืคืขื ืคื” ื‘ื”ืจื™ื ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช. ื”ื•ื ื ืชืŸ ืœื”ื ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ื–ื”ื•ืช ืžื–ื•ื™ืคื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ืคื™ื–ืจ ืื•ืชื. ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื ืกืขื”, ื›ื™ ืœื›ืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ืžืคื•ื–ืจื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืžื” ืœืื›ื•ืœ ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื›ืกืฃ. ืœื ื• ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ื›ืกืฃ. ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ืฉืœ ื–ื”ื‘ ื‘ืงื•ืคืกืื•ืช, ื•ืื™ืžื ื—ื™ืœืงื” ืœื”ื ืืช ื–ื”. ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืขืœ ื”ื–ื”ื‘ ื”ื–ื” ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื”, ืืœื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื‘ืจื•ื—. ืชืคืจื• ืœื™ ื‘ืจื•ืงื–ืง, ื‘ืงื™ื˜ื‘ื’ ืžื˜ื‘ืข ื–ื”ื‘, ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื‘ืžืงืจื” ื•ืื ื™ ืืฆื˜ืจืš, ืชืคืจื• ืœื™ ืฉื ืžื˜ื‘ืข ื–ื”ื‘. ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืจื—ืชื™, ืื ื™ ื”ืฉืืจืชื™ ืืช... . ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื—ืฉื•ื‘, ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืกืคืจ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืคื ื™ ืขืฆืžื•, ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืขืœื™. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื–ืžื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืŸ ืฉืชื™ื™ื-ืขืฉืจื”, ืฉืœื•ืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื ืชืชื™ ืงื•ื ืฆืจื˜.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ืžืชืืจ ืืช ืื‘ื ื•ืื™ืžื, ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืขื•ืจื‘ื™ื ื›ืœ ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื—ื” ืฉืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื...
ืช: ื”ื ืคืขืœื• ื‘ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ื”ืชื ื’ื“ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืœืžื™ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืงื•ืฉืจื™ื? ืื ื™ ืžืชืืจืช ืœืขืฆืžื™, ืฉื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืคืขืœ ืฉืœ ื‘ืขืœ, ืฉืœ ืื™ืฉื” ื•ืฉืœ ืขื•ื“ ื™ื“ื™ื“?
ืช: ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืงื•ืฉืจื™ื ืขื ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืœืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon) ื›ื“ื™ ืœืงื‘ืœ ื”ื•ืจืื•ืช. ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืืœื ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ, ื›ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืื™ื–ื” ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื”. ืœืžืฉืœ ื›ืฉื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื”ืฆื ื™ื— ื‘-42' ืกื˜ื ื™ื, ื›ื™ ืื– ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื ืฉืง, ื”ื ื”ืฆื ื™ื—ื• ืกื˜ื ื™ื, ืฉืืœื” ื”ื ื”ืจื•ื‘ื™ื ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ื ื”ืงืฆืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ืื– ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื“ืจื™ืš ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช, ืฉื”ื•ื ืคื™ื–ืจ, ืขืœ ื”ืกื˜ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืžื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืžืื•ื“ ื›ืœืœื™ืช. ืื ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ืชืจืช, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ืชืจืช ืฉืœ ืื™ืฉ ืื—ื“, ืืœื ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ื™ื—, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกื•ื ืฃ ืœืื™ืฉื”ื• ืืจื’ื•ืŸ ืžื—ืชืจืชื™. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกื•ื ืฃ ืœืžืง"ื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื˜ื— ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกื•ื ืฃ ืœืžืง"ื™, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืื•ืจื’ื ื™ื–ืฆื™ื•ืŸ ื–'ื•ืื™ืฃ ื“ืงื•ืžื‘ื”, ื›ื›ื” ืงืจืื• ืœื–ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžืง"ื™ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื–ื”? ื›ื™ ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื ื”ืคืขื™ืœื• ืื•ืชื•?
ืช: ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืงืฉืจ ืขื ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืฉืฉื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžืฉืจื“, ื•ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ื ืกืขืชื™ ืื™ืชื• ืœืฉื. ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ืจื•ืื” ืืช ื”ืžืฉืจื“, ืฉื”ืžืฉืจื“ ื”ื–ื” ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืคื•ื–ืจ ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš, ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืจื“ื•ืฃ ืืช ื›ื•ืœื.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉื”ื•ื ืฉื™ืชืฃ ืคืขื•ืœื” ืขื ื”ืฆื ื—ื•ืช ื”ื ืฉืง, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ืฉืจ ืœืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื›ื™ ื”ืจื™ ืœื ื”ื•ื ื™ืฆืจ ืงืฉืจ ืขื ื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™. ืื– ื‘ื•ื ืชื™ืชืŸ ืืช ื”ืžืกื’ืจืช.
ืช: ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš, ื›ื™ ืชืจืื™, ื™ืฉ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื...
ืฉ: ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืืจื’ื•ืŸ ืžื—ืชืจืช ืฆืจืคืชื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื˜ื—, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืืจื’ื•ืŸ ืžื—ืชืจืช ืฆืจืคืชื™, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืืช ืฉื ื”ืžื—ืชืจืช ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช?
ืช: ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืืจื’ื ื™ื–ืฆื™ื•ืŸ ื–'ื•ืื™ืฃ ื“ื”-ื‘ื•ืžื‘ื”, ืฉื–ื” ื ืงืจื ื”ืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”.
ืฉ: ื•ืžื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืชืคืงื™ื“ ืฉืœ ืื•ืชื• ืงืคื™ื˜ืŸ ื“ืงื˜ืœื•ื ื™ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืชืคืงื™ื“ ืฉืœื•, ื”ื•ื ื ืขืœื ื‘ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื‘. ื”ื•ื ื›ื ืจืื” ื‘ื, ื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืขื ืื‘ื ื›ืžื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืื™ืชื• ืื™ืš ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ืžืคื•ื‘ืจืงื•ืช, ื•ื‘ื–ื” ื ื’ืžืจ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœื ื• ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื•.
ืฉ: ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืจื•ื‘ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืื• ืจื•ื‘ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช?
ืช: ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื”, ื”ื•ื ืขืกืง ืฉื ื‘ื—ืงืœืื•ืช, ื”ื•ื ืขืกืง ืฉื ื‘ืœืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื”ืืœื” ืฉื‘ืจื—ื•, ื•ืœื”ืขื‘ื™ืจ ืื•ืชื ืœืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืื—ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžื™ ื”ื™ื• ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื”ืืœื” ืฉื‘ืจื—ื•? ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืื ืฉื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืฉืจืฆื• ืœื”ื™ืœื—ื, ืื• ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืฉืจืฆื• ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ?
ืช: ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืฉืจื“ืคื• ืื—ืจื™ื”ื. ื›ื™ ื”ืจื™ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ 42' ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื”ืจื“ื™ืคื•ืช, ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื• ืื– ืฉื. ืื ื™ ื ืชืชื™ ืงื•ื ืฆืจื˜, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืงื•ื ืฆืจื˜ ืฉืœ ืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื. ื”ืžืœื•ืŸ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ื’ืจื•ื ื“ ื”ื•ื˜ืœ. ืื– ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื“ื’ืœ ืขื ืง ืขืœ ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืžืœื•ืŸ. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืžื•ืจื” ืœืคืกื ืชืจ ืœื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืฉื ืงื•ื ืฆืจื˜ ืฉืœ ืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื ื‘ืžืœื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืื•ืœื ื’ื“ื•ืœ. ืื ื™ ื ื™ื’ื ืชื™, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืฉืœื•ืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื ื™ื’ื ืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืคืกื ืชืจ ืœืคื ื™ ืงืฆื™ื ื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ืœื™ืกื” ื‘ืœืืก ืคืกืงืœ ืงืœ. ื‘ืœืืก ืคืกืงืœ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืกื•ืคืจ ืฆืจืคืชื™ ืžื™ืžื™ ื”ื‘ื™ื ื™ื™ื. ืœื™ืกื” ื‘ืœืืก ืคืกืงืœ. ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืฉื ืžื•ืจื”, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ืžื™ืกื™ื” ืคืœื•ืจื•ื ื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืจื” ืœืœื˜ื™ื ื™ืช, ื›ื™ ืื– ืœืžื“ื• ืœื˜ื™ื ื™ืช. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื™ืกื™ื” ืคืœื•ืจื•ื ื”, ื•ืื•ืชื• ืžื™ืกื™ื” ืคืœื•ืจื•ื ื” ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื•, ืฉืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื”ืจื•ืคื. ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ืฆืจ ืขื ื•ื•ื™ืœื”, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื ืืœื™ื ื• ืฉืœื•ืฉ, ืืจื‘ืข ืงื•ืžื•ืช, ื•ื”ืงื™ืจ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืงื™ืจ ืฉืœ ื”ื—ืฆืจ ืฉืœื ื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ืฉื. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืจื–ื™ืกื˜ืื ืก, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช, ื•ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืขืœ ื–ื”. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœื™. ื”ื•ื ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ืœืš ืขื ืžืงืœื•ืช, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ืจื’ืœ ืื—ืช ืžื›ื•ื•ืฆืช. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื“ื™ ืฆืขื™ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื‘ืŸ ืืจื‘ืขื™ื, ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื•ื—ืžืฉ ืขื ืจื’ืœ ืžื›ื•ื•ืฆืช, ืงืจืื• ืœื• ืžื™ืกื™ื” ืคืœื•ืจื•ื ื”, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœื™, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ื ื•. ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื‘ืื• ืžื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ืื•ืชื•, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืžื—ืชืจืช. ืื ื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช. ื‘ืื• ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืฉืœื• ืžื”ืžื—ืชืจืช, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ืจื™ื•ืช ,ื•ื”ืจื’ื• ืงืฆื™ืŸ ื’ืจืžื ื™. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ื ื•. ืื– ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืกื•ืฃ 42'. ืื– ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ.
ืฉ: ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื˜ื—, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช.
ืฉ: ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื ืจืฆื— ื”ื—ื™ื™ืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ื™ ื”ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ื“ืขื•, ื”ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื—ืคืฉ. ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื ืœืงื—ื”. ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ืจื” ืื™ืชื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืื›ื•ืœ...
ืฉ: ืกืœื™ื—ื”, ืื ื™ ืžืฆื˜ืขืจืช, ืื ื™ ืžืชื ืฆืœืช, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื—ื” ืฉื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืกื™ื˜ื•ืืฆื™ื”. ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืื•ืชื• ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื•ืชื• ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืื™ืš ื–ื” ืžืชืงืฉืจ ืœื–ื”, ืฉืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ืจื•ื— ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช?
ืช: ื”ื•ื ื‘ืžืงืจื” ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ื ื•, ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ื‘ื ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ืื•ืชื•, ื•ื™ืจื• ืขืœื™ื•.
ืฉ: ืื– ืคื—ื“ืชื ืฉื’ื ืืชื ืชื™ืคื’ืขื•?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ืคื—ื“ื ื• ืฉื’ื ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื™ืคื’ืข, ื›ื™ ื™ืจื• ืขืœ ืงืฆื™ืŸ ื’ืกื˜ืืคื•.
ืฉ: ืื– ืจืง ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื’ืจืชื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื•?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืจืง ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื’ืจื ื• ืขืœ ื™ื“ื•. ืื– ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืจื“ื•ืฃ ืื—ืจื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืกื•ืฃ 42'.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืขื‘ื•ืจื›ื, ื”ื™ื” ืœื›ื ื‘ืจื•ืจ, ืฉืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืชืงืจื™ืช ืขื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ืจื•ื—?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ืจื•ื—. ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื–ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœื’ื•ืจ ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ, ื ืฉืืจื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืขืœื™. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ 42', ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ืชื—ื™ืœืช 43'. ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ ืื™ื–ื” ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ื™ืชื” ืฉืœื™ ืงืจื ืœื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžืœื•ื›ืœืš.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื›ืฉืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand)?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ. ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืŸ ืืจื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื”, ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”. ื”ื•ื ืงืจื ืœื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžืœื•ื›ืœืš, ื•ืื ื™ ื ืชืชื™ ืœื• ื‘ื•ืงืก. ื ืชืชื™ ืœื• ืื– ื›ื–ื” ื‘ื•ืงืก, ืฉืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื, ื”ื ื” ืืช ืจื•ืื” ืืช ื”ืืฆื‘ืข, ืคื” ื ืฉื‘ืจ ืœื™, ื•ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื™ื“ ืฉืœื™ ืœื ื‘ืกื“ืจ. ื ืชืชื™ ืœื• ื‘ื•ืงืก, ื•ืฉื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ื™ื“. ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉืฉื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ื™ื“, ืื– ืขืœื™ืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื•ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”. ืื– ืขื•ื“ ื’ืจื ื• ืืฆืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ืืฆืœ ื”ืจื•ืคื, ื•ืจืื™ืชื™ ืคืชืื•ื, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื‘ืจืงืก, ืฉื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื ื•ืกืขื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืกื’ื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื™ื“. ืžื™ื“ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื”ืจื•ืคื, ื•ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืชืฉืžืข, ืฉื‘ืจืชื™ ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืช ื”ืคืจืฆื•ืฃ, ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื™"? ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœืฆื™ืœื•ื, ื•ืขืฉื• ืœื™ ื’ื‘ืก. ืœืžื—ืจืช ืื ื™ ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ, ืื– ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืœื™, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืฉื ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืœื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืื– ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ืžื” ืืชื” ื‘ื, ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืงืจื”"? ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”ื: "ืœื". ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ืืชื” ืฉื‘ืจืช ืœื• ืืช ื”ืœืกืช, ื”ื•ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื—ื•ืœื™ื. ื•ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื™ ื–ื”? ืื‘ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื•ื ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœ ืžืฉืชืคื™ ื”ืคืขื•ืœื” ืขื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื", ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ืžื™ืœื™ืก.
ืฉ: ืžื™ืœื™ืฆื™ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืžื™ืœื™ืฆื™ื”, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจืืฉ ื”ืžืœื™ืฆื™ื”, ืฉื”ื ืฉื™ืชืคื• ืคืขื•ืœื” ืขื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื. ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ื–ื” ืื‘ื ืฉืœื•, ืชื‘ืจื— ืžืคื”". ื‘ืจื—ืชื™ ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืกื•ืฃ 42', ืชื—ื™ืœืช 43'.
ืฉ: ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื’ืจืชื ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื’ืจื ื• ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื ืจืฆื— ืื•ืชื• ื’ืจืžื ื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื ืจืฆื— ืื•ืชื• ื’ืจืžื ื™.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ืกื™ื˜ื•ืืฆื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืžื”...?
ืช: ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืžื” ืฉืงืจื”, ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืจื“ ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืžื”ื”ืจื™ื ืขื ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื‘ื’ื“ ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš, ื›ื™ ืœื ื”ื•ืฆืื ื• ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข ืœื‘ื™ืช ืขื ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื•ืžื•ืœ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื’ืจื ื• ื‘ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืงืฆื‘. ืืฉืชื• ืฉืœ ื”ืงืฆื‘ ืขืžื“ื” ื‘ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืฉืœ ื”ืงืฆื‘ื™ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืงืจืื” ืœื•: "ืžื™ืกื™ื” ืœื™ืื•ืŸ", ืžื™ืกื™ื” ื–ื” ืื“ื•ืŸ, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™: "ืื“ื•ืŸ ืœื™ืื•ืŸ". ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ืกืชื›ืœ ืขืœื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœื•: "ืืœ ืชื™ื›ื ืก, ืžื—ื›ื™ื ืœืš". ืื ืœื ื”ื™ื, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืงื™ื™ื, ื›ื™ ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ื—ื™ื›ื• ืœื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช. ื”ืื™ืฉื” ื”ื–ืืช ืืžืจื” ืœื•: "ืžื™ืกื™ื” ืœื™ืื•ืŸ, ืืœ ืชื™ื›ื ืก, ืžื—ื›ื™ื ืœืš". ืื‘ื ื”ืกืชื•ื‘ื‘ ื•ื‘ืจื—. ืื ื™ ืขื ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืฉืฉื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ืœืกืช ืœืื•ืชื• ื™ืœื“ ืฉืงืจื ืœื™ "ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžืœื•ื›ืœืš!", ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœ ื”ืžื™ืœื™ืฆื™ื”, ืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ืชืขื–ื•ื‘, ื›ื™ ืื ื”ื•ื ื™ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื—ื•ืœื™ื ืืชื” ื’ืžื•ืจ". ืื– ื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœืขื™ื™ืจื”. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื ื• ืฉื ื—ื‘ืจื”, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ื•ืืœ. ืจื•ื–'ื” ืกื™ืคืจ ื‘ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืœื•, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื” ื•ืืœ, ื•ืืœืจื™, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ื–ื›ืจ ืืช ืฉื ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื”, ืื ื™ ื›ืŸ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืงืจืื• ืœื” ื•ืืœืจื™ ืœืื“ื™ืจ. ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืื•ืชื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื•ืœื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืœื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื˜ืคืœ ื‘ื”. ื”ื•ื ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืื•ืชื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœื• ืชื•ื“ื”. ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœื•: "ืื ืืชื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื ื™ ืคื”!" ื”ื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ืจื” ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ืืœื ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ืจื” ื‘ืื–ื•ืจ ืื—ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืชืžื™ื“ ืืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™. ื”ื™ื ืกื™ื“ืจื” ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœื• ืืฆืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ื•ืื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื ืกื™ื“ืจื” ื‘ืฉืืจืœื™ื•ื–ื”, ืฉื–ืืช ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉื ืžืฆืืช ื‘ืžืจื—ืง ืฉืœ ืื™ื–ื” ืžืื” ืง"ืž ืžืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ื”ื™ื ืกื™ื“ืจื” ืื•ืชื™ ืืฆืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื’ืจืชื™ ืืฆืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื”, ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืฉื ืœืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื—ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืžื ื–ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžื ื–ืจ, ืืœื ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ืงืชื•ืœื™ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื’ืจืชื™ ืืฆืœื”. ืื ื™ ืœื ืืกืคืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ืขื™ืงืจ, ืฉื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืŸ ื—ืžืฉ-ืขืฉืจื” ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื—ืฆืจ, ื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ื ื™ืฆืื ื• ืœื—ืฆืจ.
ืฉ: ื‘ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื›ื•ืœื ืฉื ื”ื™ื• ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืžื”ืื–ื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ืฉื ืฉืœืš ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“, ืฉื ืฉืืจืชื™ ืขื ื”ืฉื ืฉืœื™. ืœื ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™, ืœื ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื•ืœื ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื ืฉืืจื• ื‘ืฉื ืื‘ืจื”ื, ืืœื ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืฉื ืื•ื‘ืจื™. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™ ืฉื ืฉืืจืชื™ ื‘ืฉื ืื‘ืจื”ื, ื•ื™ื“ืขื• ืืช ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ , ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื ืื‘ืจื”ื. ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื—ืฆืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื ื™ ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ื ื‘ื ืืœื™ ื”ืžื ื”ืœ. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื•, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืœื‘ื•ืฉ ืขื ื—ืœื™ืคื” ืืจื•ื›ื” ื•ืขื ืื™ื–ื” ื›ื•ื‘ืข. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื“ืœืช ื‘ื—ืฆืจ, ื”ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ื–ื” ื‘ื ื™ืฉืจ ืืœื™, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืชื” ืจื•ืื” ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช ื”ื–ืืช"? ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ื›ืŸ". ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืชืฆื ื“ืจืš ื”ื“ืœืช". ืื ื™ ื™ืฆืืชื™ ื“ืจืš ื”ื“ืœืช ื•ื‘ืจื—ืชื™. ื‘ื ืืœื™ื• ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ืœื—ืคืฉ ืื•ืชื™. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ื–ื”ื‘ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืงื™ื˜ื‘ื’ ืฉืœื™? ื›ื™ ื”ืฉืืจืชื™ ืฉื ืืช ื”ืงื™ื˜ื‘ื’ ืขื ื”ื–ื”ื‘ ืขื ื”ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื ื•ืขื ื”ื›ืœ, ืคืชื—ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช, ื•ื™ืฆืืชื™ ืžืฉื. ื”ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ื–ื” ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืชื” ืจื•ืื” ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช ื”ื–ืืช? ืชื‘ืจื— ืžืฉื". ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืืœื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ืชืขื›ื‘ ื›ืืŸ ืขืœ ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”. ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชืš ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืื•ืชื• ืื™ืจื•ืข ืžื—ืฉืฉ ืœื—ื™ื™ืš, ื•ืžืกืจื• ืื•ืชืš ืœืื•ืชื” ื’ื‘ืจืช ื•ืืœืจื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชื™ ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืื•ืชื• ืื™ืจื•ืข, ื•ืžืกืจื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœื’ื‘ืจืช ื•ืืœืจื™.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื” ืื•ืชื” ืœืื™ืžื ืฉืœื”, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืื•ืชืš ืœืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื”ื™ื ื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื” ืื•ืชื™ ืœืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืื•ืชื™ ืœืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืขื™ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”?
ืช: ื”ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืขื™ืจ ืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ื•ื•ื™ืฉื™?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื•ื•ื™ืฉื™, ืืœื ืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื” ื–ื”...
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช, ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ืฉืœ ื•ื•ื™ืฉื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืื– ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช, ืื– ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื•ืคืฉื™, ืž-42' ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื ื›ื ืกื• ื’ื ืœืฉื, ื•ืขืฉื• ืื•ืชื” ืœืฆืจืคืช ื”ืœื ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช.
ืฉ: ื›ืŸ, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉืœื˜ื•ืŸ ื•ื•ื™ืฉื™, ื•ื ืงืจื ืœื” ื›ื›ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื”ื‘ื“ื™ืœ ืื•ืชื” ืžืฆืจืคืช ื”ื›ื‘ื•ืฉื”. ื‘ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ืžื ื”ืœ ื™ื“ืข ืฉืืชื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ืฉื”ืžื ื”ืœ ื™ื“ืข ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืื‘ืœ ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ืš ืœืฉื? ืื™ืš ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ื™ื“ืข ืขืœ ื–ื” ืฉืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ืฉื?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื. ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื™ืš ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื ื™ืฆืœื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื ื ืกืขื” ื‘ืจื›ื‘ืช ืžืžืงื•ื ืœืžืงื•ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ืœืง ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ืžื–ื•ื™ืคื•ืช, ื›ืกืฃ ื•ืงื•ืคื•ื ื™ื ืœืื•ื›ืœ ืœืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉื—ื™ื• ื‘ื”ืจื™ื, ืฉื”ื ื”ืคื›ื• ืœืžืง"ื™ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช, ืœืจื–ื™ืกื˜ืื ืก ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™. ื”ื™ื ื ืกืขื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื—ื™ืœืงื” ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ื”ื™ื ื ืกืขื” ืขื ื”ืชืขื•ื“ื” ื”ืžื–ื•ื™ืคืช ืฉืœื”. ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืจื›ื‘ืช ืื—ืช, ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ื™ืฉ ืื—ื“, ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืœื ืขืฆืจื•, ื•ื‘ื“ืงื• ืืช ื›ื•ืœื. ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื™ืš ื”ื™ื ื™ืฆืื” ืžื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉื”ืžื ื”ืœ ืืžืจ ืœืš ืœื‘ืจื•ื—...?
ืช: ื”ืžื ื”ืœ ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืชื” ืจื•ืื” ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช? ืœื ืœืœื›ืช ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ื•ื›ืœ ื–ื”". ื”ื•ื ื”ืขื– ืœืฆืืช ืžื”ืžืฉืจื“, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉื›ื ืจืื”, ื”ื ื‘ืื• ืืœื™ื• ืœืžืฉืจื“ ื•ืฉืืœื• ืื•ืชื•: "ืื™ืคื” ื–ื” ื•ื–ื”"? ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื™ืฆื ืžื”ืžืฉืจื“, ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื—ืฆืจ ื•ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืชื” ืจื•ืื” ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช? ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”!"
ืฆื“ ืฉืœื™ืฉื™:
... ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืื•ืชื” ื•ืืœื™, ืฉื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืื•ืชื™ ืœืื™ืžื ืฉืœื”, ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืขื™ืจ ืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื”, ืฉืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช. ื”ื™ื, ื›ื ืจืื”, ืกื™ืคืจื” ืœื•, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ืจื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืงืฉืจ ืขื...
ืฉ: ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืœืš ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ ื‘ืฉืœื‘ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืœ 42'-43'?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื™ ืžืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœืš, ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื” ื•ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื›ืืœื”.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืืชื ืœื™ืžื“ืชื ืืช ืขืฆืžื›ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžืื•ื“ ื–ื”ื™ืจื™ื? ืืชื” ื›ื™ืœื“ ื‘ืŸ ืืจื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื”, ื—ืžืฉ-ืขืฉืจื” ื‘ืฉื ืช 43' ื™ื“ืขืช ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ, ืฉืืชื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉืžืจ, ืฉืืชื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืฉื™ื ืœื‘?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื‘ื˜ื—. ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืืœื ื’ื ืขืฆืจื• ืืช ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื•ืืช ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื•ื”ื ืžืชื• ื‘ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ.
ืฉ: ืืช ื–ื” ื™ื“ืขืช ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืชืงื•ืคื”?
ืช: ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘-43'.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”, ืœืžื” ืืชื”, ื‘ืขืฆื, ืœื ืฉื™ื ื™ืช ืืช ืฉืžืš ืœืื•ื‘ืจื™ ื›ืžื• ื”ืื—ืจื™ื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื–ื”ื•ืช, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืœื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ื–ื”ื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืœื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื–ื”ื•ืช, ื›ื™, ื›ื ืจืื”, ืฉืืฆืœื™ ื”ืœื›ื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื...
ืฉ: ื›ื™ ื”ืฉื ืฉืœืš ื”ื•ื ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืฉื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื”ืฉื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื•ื ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืฉื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™.
ืฉ: ืื– ืื•ืœื™ ื”ืฉื ื”ื–ื” ืžืฉืš ืชืฉื•ืžืช ืœื‘?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข. ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉื”ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ื–ื” ื‘ื ืืœื™, ื•ื”ื•ื, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื›ืŸ ื™ื“ืข ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™.
ืฉ: ืœืืŸ ืืชื” ื‘ืจื—ืช ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœืš ืœืœื›ืช?
ืช: ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื–ื” ืกืคืจ ื•ืœื ืขื“ื•ืช. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืืฆืœ ืื™ื›ืจื™ื. ื”ื•ื ืกื™ืคืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื•, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื–ืžืŸ ืืฆืœ ืื™ื›ืจื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉื ืงืจื ืœื•ื˜ืจืง. ื‘ืœื•ื˜ืจืง ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื”ื›ืฉืจื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ื‘ื“ืจื•ื ืฆืจืคืช. ืื—ื“ ื”ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ืื•ืŸ ื›ื”ืŸ. ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื™ ื–ื” ืœื™ืื•ืŸ ื›ื”ืŸ ื”ื–ื”? ืฉื•ืคื˜ ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืžืฉืคื˜ ื”ืขืœื™ื•ืŸ ื—ื™ื™ื ื›ื”ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืื— ืฉืœื•. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืžืงื”ืœื” ืฉืœื™ ื‘'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”' ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”' ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื ื• ืžืงื”ืœื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืžืงื”ืœื” ืฉืœื ื•. ื”ื•ื ืชืžื™ื“ ื ื™ื’ืŸ ื‘ื—ืœื™ืœ, ืœื™ืื•ืŸ ื›ื”ืŸ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื— ืฉืœ ื—ื™ื™ื ื›ื”ืŸ ื”ืฉื•ืคื˜ ืฉืœ ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื“ื™ืŸ ื”ืขืœื™ื•ืŸ. ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื ืคื˜ืจ ืžื–ืžืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืžื•ื›ืจ. ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืชืคืกื• ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืœื•ื˜ืจืง, ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื˜ื•ืœื•ื–, ื›ื™ ืœื•ื˜ืจืง ื–ื” ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–. ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื˜ื•ืœื•ื– ืœืกื“ืจ ืฉื ื›ืžื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืชืคืกื• ืื•ืชื•, ื•ืื– ืืžืจื• ื‘ืœื•ื˜ืจืง ืœื›ื•ืœื ืœื”ืชืคื–ืจ. ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ื”ืื— ืฉืœื™, ื”ื•ื ืกื™ืคืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ื™ืฉ ืœื• ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ืžืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื. ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ, ืื—ื™ ื ื›ื ืก ืœืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ืื™ื›ืจื™ื, ืฉื–ื” ื ืžืฆื ืœื ืจื—ื•ืง ืžืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื”, ืฉืฉื ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™, ื–ื” ืžืจื—ืง ืฉืœ ื—ืžื™ืฉื”-ืขืฉืจ ืง"ืž ืžืฉื. ืื– ืื ื™ ื‘ืจื—ืชื™ ืืœื™ื•. ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ื—ืžื™ืฉื”-ืขืฉืจ ืง"ืž ื‘ืจื’ืœ ืœืื— ืฉืœื™, ื•ื ืฉืืจืชื™ ืฉื ืื™ื–ื” ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉื”. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ืœื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืื™ื›ืจ, ืืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืื™ื–ื” ื‘ื•ื“ืงื” ืงื˜ืŸ ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื˜ืคืœ ื‘ืคืจื•ืช, ื‘ื—ื–ื™ืจื™ื ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื. ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืฉื ื—ื“ืจ ืงื˜ืŸ ื•ืžื™ื˜ืช ื‘ืจื–ืœ ื™ืฉื ื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืžื™ื˜ืช ื‘ืจื–ืœ ื›ื–ื” ื›ืžื• ืžื™ื˜ืช ืกื•ื›ื ื•ืช. ื™ืฉื ืชื™ ืืฆืœื• ืื™ื–ื” ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื ืฉืœื•ืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ื™ืฉืŸ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ื‘ืจื–ืœ, ื•ืื ื™ ื™ืฉื ืชื™ ืฉื ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืจื–ืœ ื‘ืฆื“, ื›ื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ื ืื—ืจ, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื™ืฉืŸ ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืจื–ืœ ืคื ื™ืžื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื™ืฉื ืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืจื–ืœ ืฉืœ ื”ืžื™ื˜ื”. ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื’ื ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื‘ืจื•ื—. ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื• ืื ื™ ืœื ืืกืคืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ื”ื‘ื•ืก ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช. ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื‘ืื•, ื”ื ืฉืจืคื• ืืช ื”ืžืฉืง ืฉืœื”ื, ื”ื ื”ืจื’ื• ืฉื ืืช ื”ืคืจื•ืช ื•ืืช ื”ื›ืœ, ื•ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื‘ืจื•ื—. ืžืžื ื• ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™. ืื™ืš ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™? ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืื– ื‘ืฉืื ื‘ื•-ืกื•ืœื™ื ื™ื•, ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืฉื ืช 43' ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืœืงื—ื• ื’ื ืืช ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื•ืืช ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ืื– ื›ื•ืœื ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื ืฉืืจ ืื– ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืฉื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand).
ืฉ: ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ื–ื”, ื–ื” ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ืจื•ืคื?
ืช: ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื‘ืคื ื™ ืขืฆืžื•, ื“ื•ืงื˜ื•ืจ ื‘ื ื™ืžื™ืŸ ืจื™ื™ื–ืœ. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจื•ืคื ื ืฉื™ื, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจื•ืคื ืžื•ื›ืจ. ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืืจืฆื” ืœืคื ื™, ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืœืืจืฅ ื‘-48'.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืื•ืชื• ื“ื•ื“, ืฉืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืกื‘ืชื?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืกื‘ืชื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืื— ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™. ืžื” ื”ื™ื”? ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ืจื” ื’ื ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื— ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™. ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ืชื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืœืื›ื•ืœ ืฆื”ืจื™ื™ื ืืฆืœ ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื”, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ื”ืื— ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™, ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื’ื-ื›ืŸ ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ื”ืจื™ ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืขื‘ืจื• ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ืืžืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืฉื’ื ื”ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ื” ืฉืœ ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืขื‘ืจื” ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื•ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืขื‘ืจ ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand).
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืื•ืœ. ื”ื ื’ืจื• ืฉื, ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืืงืฆื™ื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื’ื™ืจื•ืฉ ืฉืœ ื”ืงื”ื™ืœื” ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื’ืจื• ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืœื›ืช, ื•ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ื”ื’ื•ื™ื™ื ื—ื–ืจื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืœื ื—ื–ืจื• ืœืฉื.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืฉืœื—ื• ืืช ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœืš ื•ืืช ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœืš ืœืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand)?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื’ื™ืจืฉื• ืื•ืชื ืžืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand).
ืฉ: ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืขืฉื• ืื– ื’ื™ืจื•ืฉ ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand)?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ืจื•ืจ, ืขืฉื• ืื– ื’ื™ืจื•ืฉ ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื”ื ื—ื™ืคืฉื• ืืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืงืจื” ื‘-42' ืื• ื‘-43'?
ืช: ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช 43'.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™ื ืžื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœืš, ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืขืช ื‘ืขื™ืจ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืื– ื‘ืขื™ืจ.
ืฉ: ื•ืืชื ื‘ืจื—ืชื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืจื—ื ื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื– ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ืจื•ืคื, ื‘ื ื™ืžื™ืŸ ื•ื™ื™ื–ืจ, ืžื” ืงืจื” ืื™ืชื•?
ืช: ื”ื•ื ื’ื-ื›ืŸ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืจื—, ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืจื—ื•.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื ืฉืืจื™ื ื‘ืขื™ืจ, ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื”ื ื™ื— ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื ืžื’ื•ืจืฉื™ื?
ืช: ืืžืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ืœืš ืœืฉื ืขื ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืžืฉื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืื– ืืžืจื• ืœื•: "ืืœ ืชื™ื›ื ืก ืœืฉื, ืžื—ื›ื™ื ืœืš". ื”ื ื—ื™ื›ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื ื—ื–ื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืฉื’ื™ืจืฉื• ืืช ืกื‘ืชื ื•ืืช ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืœืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ื–ื” ื ื•ื“ืข ืœื›ื ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืฉื”ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ืื• ืฉื’ื ืื– ื™ื“ืขืชื ืฉื’ื™ืจืฉื• ืื•ืชื ืœืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ?
ืช: ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ืžื™ื“.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื™ื“ืขืชื, ืฉืœืืŸ ื’ื™ืจืฉื• ืื•ืชื? ืžื” ื”ื™ื• ื”ืฉืžื•ืขื•ืช? ืžื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืืžืจื•, ืฉืœืืŸ ืฉืœื—ื• ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช?
ืช: ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืงื•ื“ื ื‘ื“ืจืื ืกื™, ืฉื–ื” ืžื—ื ื” ืฉื ืžืฆื ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ืคืจื™ื–.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช, ื”ื™ื•ื ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉื’ื™ืจืฉื• ืžื“ืจืื ืกื™ ืœืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ืื• ืฉื’ื™ืจืฉื• ืœืกื•ื‘ื™ื‘ื•ืจ. ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช ืžื” ื™ื“ืขืชื ืื–? ืขืœ ืžื” ื“ื™ื‘ืจื•? ืžื” ื—ืฉื‘ื• ืฉืงืจื” ืœืืœื” ืฉื’ื™ืจืฉื• ืื•ืชื?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื“ืขื ื•, ื‘ื˜ื— ืฉื™ื“ืขื ื•. ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืฉื•ืœื—ื™ื ืื•ืชื ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื”. ืื•ืœื™ ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืขืœ ื›ืœ ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื”ื”ืฉืžื“ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืœื•ืงื—ื™ื ืื•ืชื, ื•ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื. ื”ื™ื• ืขื•ื“ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื ื˜ื•ื‘, ืฉื”ื ืœื ื—ื–ืจื•. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘-43'.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืช ืืฆืœ ืื—ื™ืš, ื•ืจื“ืคื• ืืชื›ื, ื”ื’ืขืช ืœืื‘ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืื‘ื.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืื–?
ืช: ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ื‘ื”ืจื™ ื‘, ื›ืš ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื–ื”. ืฉืืจืžื• ืกืจืœื™ื ื™ื• ื–ื” ื‘ืจื•ืช ืœื•ืืจื‘ื”, ื‘ื”ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื ื ืงืจืื™ื ืกื‘ื•ืื”. ื–ื” ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ื–ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื ื”ืจื™ ื”ืืœืคื™ื, ืืœื ื–ื” ืœืคื ื™ ื–ื” โ€“ ืฉืืจืžื• ืกืจืœื™ื ื™ื•. ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืขื ื›ืžื” ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช, ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช. ืื ื™ ื”ืฆื˜ืจืคืชื™ ืœืฉื. ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื™ืš ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืืœื™ื•. ื›ื ืจืื”, ืฉื”ื“ื•ื“ ืื• ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืžืจ ืœื™ ืื™ืคื” ื”ื ื ืžืฆืื™ื.
ืฉ: ืืœื” ื”ื ืื–ื•ืจื™ื ื ื™ื“ื—ื™ื, ืฉื”ื ืขืœ ื’ื‘ื•ืœ ืฆืจืคืช ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื”?
ืช: ื–ื” ืœื ื‘ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื”, ื–ื” ื‘ืฆืจืคืช.
ืฉ: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ืœื ื‘ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช, ื”ืื ื–ื” ื ืžืฆื ื‘ืื–ื•ืจ ืฉื‘ื™ืŸ ืฆืจืคืช ืœืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื–ื” ื ืžืฆื ื‘ืื–ื•ืจ ืฉื‘ื™ืŸ ืฆืจืคืช ืœืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื”.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื• ืœืื–ื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืฉื. ื–ืืช ืขื™ืจ ืฉืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื” ืฉืืจืžื• ืกืจืœื™ื ื™ื•. ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืžื” ืงืจื”? ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืฉื ื“ื™ืจื” ืงื˜ื ื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืœืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื•ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื“ื™ืจื” ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ืฉืืจืžื• ืกืจืœื™ื ื™ื•, ื•ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื”ื™ื• ืžืคื•ื–ืจื™ื ืฉื ื‘ื”ืจื™ื. ืื ื™ ื”ืฆื˜ืจืคืชื™ ืœืื‘ื ืขื ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื”. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืžืฉื, ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ืฉืฉ-ืขืฉืจื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื ืขื ืจื•ื‘ื”. ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืฉื ื’ื ื ืคืฆืขืชื™.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื, ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืืช ืชืจืื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ื‘ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉื›ื•ืœื ืฉื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ืŸ?
ืช: ืžื” ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ืŸ? ื›ืฉื™ืจื“ื ื• ืœืฉื—ืจืจ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืคื•ืฆืฆื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื’ืฉืจื™ื ื‘ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon).
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื, ืฉื—ื™ื• ืฉื, ื•ื”ื’ื“ื™ืจื• ืืช ืขืฆืžื ื›ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื ื™ืฉื‘ื• ืฉื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื”ื™ืœื—ื. ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช, ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื ื‘ืชืงื•ืคืช ื”ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืฉืœ ืฆืจืคืช? ื‘ืจื—ืชื ืœืฉื ื•ื”ืชืืจื’ื ืชื. ืžื™ ืกื™ืคืง ืœื›ื ื ืฉืง? ืžื” ื”ื™ื• ื”ืžื˜ืจื•ืช ืฉืœื›ื? ืื™ืš ื”ื™ื” ื ืจืื” ืื•ืจื— ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื›ื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื™ ืฉืกื™ืคืง ืœื ื• ื ืฉืง, ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื ืฉืง. ืžื” ืฉืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœืš ืขืœ ืื‘ื, ืฉื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ื ื”ืฆื ื™ื—ื• ืืช ื”ืกื˜ื ื™ื, ืžื” ืฉืื‘ื ืขืฉื”, ื–ื” ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืขื•ื“ ืœื ืขืฉื”. ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื“ืจื™ืš ืืช ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืขื ื”ื ืฉืง ื”ื–ื”, ื”ื•ื ืฉื ืืช ื–ื” ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืื™ืš ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื ื ืฉืง? ืื ื™ ืžืชืืจืช ืœืขืฆืžื™, ืฉื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืชืงื•ืคืช ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืขืœ ืคื ื™ ืื™ืจื•ืคื” ืฉื™ื•ื•ืขื• ืœื ืฉืง, ื”ืชื—ื ื ื• ืœื ืฉืง ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื’ืŸ ืขืœ ืขืฆืžื?
ืช: ื”ืฆื ื™ื—ื• ื ืฉืง. ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ื ื•ื”ืื ื’ืœื™ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื”ืฆื ื™ื— ื ืฉืง. ืื™ืš ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ืืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™? ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื‘ืœ ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื•. ื•ืœื ืจืง ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื•, ืืœื ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื“ืจื™ืš ืฉื ืืช ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช, ืžื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ. ืื– ื”ื•ื ืฉื ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ื™ืœื” ืขื ื”ืกื˜ื ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ืงืฉืจ ืื•ืชื”. ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืœื ื™ืจืื• ืฉื–ื” ืกื˜ืŸ, ื•ืฉื”ื•ื ืžื˜ื™ื™ืœ ืขื ื–ื” ืขืœ ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื”ื•ื ืฉื ืืช ื”ืžื–ื›ื™ืจื” ืขืœ ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข ืขื ื”ืžื–ื›ื™ืจื”, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืœื•ื ื“ื™ื ื™ืช ืฆืขื™ืจื”, ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื”. ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™ ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื” ืงืœืจื” ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืงื˜ืŸ. ื”ื•ื ืฉื ืื•ืชื” ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืกื˜ืŸ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข ื‘ื”ืจื™ื ืขื ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ืขื ื”ืžื–ื›ื™ืจื” ื•ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืจื’ืœื™ื™ื, ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื“ืจื™ืš ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืขืœ ื”ืกื˜ืŸ. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืœื ืคืฉื•ื˜. ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื ื•ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื. ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ืกื˜ืŸ? ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื“ืขืช ืื™ืš ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื•. ื‘ื›ืœืœ, ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื” ื‘ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื–ื‘ ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื–ื‘ ื›ื‘ืจ ื’ื ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื›ื™ ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื’ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื•ื›ืจ. ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื”ืจื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ืœืงื— ื“ื™ืจื” ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ืฉืืจืžื• ืกืจืœื™ื ื™ื•. ืืช ื”ื“ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ื›ื™ ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืืœื™ื•, ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœื“ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช. ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื– ื‘ื“ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช, ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืื– ื‘ื”ืจื™ื. ืื™ืคื” ืฉืžื›ื ื™ืกื™ื ืงืฉ, ื”ืžื—ืกื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืœ ื”ืงืฉ, ืฉื ื”ืกืชืชืจื ื•. ืื‘ืœ, ื›ื ืจืื”, ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื’ื ืžื›ืจ ืื•ืชื ื•, ื›ื™ ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื‘ืื•, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘ืื• ืฉื ื™ ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื™ืจื•ืช ืขืœื™ื ื•. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ื™ืขืจ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืจื™ืง.
ืฉ: ืงืจื—ืช ื™ืขืจ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืงืจื—ืช ื™ืขืจ. ืฉื ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ืกืŸ ืขื ืงืฉ ืฉืœ ืื™ื–ื” ืื™ื›ืจ ื•ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ื ื•. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืœื™. ื‘ืื• ืœืฉื ืฉื ื™ ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื, ืžืกืจืฉืžื™ื“ื˜ื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื™ืจื• ืขืœื™ื ื•, ื•ื‘ืจื—ื ื• ืœื™ืขืจ, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœื™ืขืจ. ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืจืกื™ืก, ืฉืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืกื™ืžืŸ ืคื” ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืจื’ืœ. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื’ื ืชืžื•ื ื” ืžืื– ืขื ืชื—ื‘ื•ืฉืช, ื”ืชื—ื‘ื•ืฉืช ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื ืคื”.
ืฉ: ืžื™ ืฆื™ืœื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช, ืฉืืชื” ืžืกืคืจ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœืš?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ืื™ื–ื” ืฉื ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื›ืžื”. ืขื“ ืฉื‘-45' ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืจื“ืช, ื™ืจื“ื ื• ืฉื ืœืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืฉื”ื™ื ืงืจื•ื‘ื” ืœืฉื. ื›ืœ ื”ืื–ื•ืจ ื–ื” ื”ื•ื ืœื™ื“ ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืฉื–ื” ืžืจื›ื– ืฆืจืคืช.
ืฉ: ื‘-44'?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช 45'. ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ืจื“ื ื• ืœืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon) ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉื—ืจืจ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ ืžื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื. ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืจื›ื‘, ื”ืจื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœื›ื‘ื™ืฉ, ืื‘ื ืขืฆืจ ืื•ื˜ื•, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื ื”ื’ ืœืฆืืช, ื•ื”ื ื”ื’ ื™ืฆื. ืื‘ื ืืžืจ ืœื•: "ื”ืจื–ื™ืกื˜ืื ืก ืœื•ืงื— ืœืš ืืช ื”ืื•ื˜ื•!", ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, "ื”ืžื—ืชืจืช ืœื•ืงื—ืช ืœืš ืืช ื”ืื•ื˜ื•!" ืื‘ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื ื”ื’, ื ื›ื ืกื ื• ืฉื ืœืื•ื˜ื•, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ืขืœ ื”ื—ืœื•ืŸ, ื›ื›ื” ื™ืจื“ื ื• ืœืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ื•ืฉื—ืจืจื ื• ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ. ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ืจื™ื•ืช, ื•ืคื•ืฆืฆื ื• ืืช ื”ื’ืฉืจื™ื, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืขื–ืจื ื• ืœืคื•ืฆืฅ ืืช ื”ื’ืฉืจื™ื. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื’ืฉืจ ืื—ื“, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ืœืคื•ื ื“ื” ืœื’ื™ื•ืฆ'ื™ื™ืจ, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon). ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื”ื’ืฉืจ ืคื•ื ื“ื” ืœื’ื™ื•ืฆ'ื™ื™ืจ, ื›ื™ ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื”ื’ืฉืจ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืกื˜ื•ืŸ ื•ื•ื™ื–', ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืฉืœ ื–ื” ืฉืฉื™ืชืฃ ืคืขื•ืœื” ืขื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ืžืจื›ื– ืฆืจืคืช, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ืฉืžื“ื”, ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”. ื™ืฆื ืœื™ ืžื”ืจืืฉ ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœื•.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืœืงืœืื•ืก ื‘ืืจื‘ื™?
ืช: ืงืœืื•ืก ื‘ืืจื‘ื™ ื”ื™ื” ืžื”ืฆื“ ืฉืœ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“ ืžื”ืฆื“ ืฉืœ ืฆืจืคืช, ืฉืฉื™ืชืฃ ืื™ืชื ืคืขื•ืœื”.
ืฉ: ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืชืš ืžืชื™ ืฉื•ื—ืจืจื” ืฆืจืคืช?
ืช: ื”ื™ื• ื—ืœืงื™ื ืฉืœ ืฆืจืคืช ืฉืฉื•ื—ืจืจื• ืงื•ื“ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ื—ืœืงื™ื ืฉืฉื•ื—ืจืจื• ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื”. ืื‘ืœ ืฉื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘-45', ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช 45', ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื—ืจืจื• ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon). ืฉื ื”ื™ื• ื™ืจื™ื•ืช, ืฉืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืฉื ื›ื“ื•ืจ. ืื ื™ ื•ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™ ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืืช ื”ื’ืฉืจ ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืœื—ื™ืžื”, ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ื›ื“ื•ืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื ื™ ื”ืจืืฉื™ื ืฉืœื ื•.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ "ื™ืจื“ื ื• ืžื”ื”ืจื™ื, ื•ืฉื—ืจืจื• ืืช ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon)", ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืžื—ืชืจืช ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืžื—ืชืจืช ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ื›ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื—ืชืจืช ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ื›ืœ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉืœื ื•, ืฉืื‘ื ืคื™ื–ืจ ืื•ืชื, ื•ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืื•ืชื, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื‘ืขืจืš ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช?
ืช: ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื›ืžื” ืžืื•ืช ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉืœื™, ืื™ืคื” ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื™ืฉื”. ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื. ืื—ื“ ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ื˜ืจื•ื ื™ืง, ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืžืฉืคื—ืช ื˜ืจื•ื ื™ืง, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ืื—ื™ื, ื•ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื”ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื˜ื‘ื—ื™ืช ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ ื›ืคืจ ืžืกืจื™ืง, ื•ืœื‘ืช ืฉืœื” ืงืจืื• ืœื” ืื™ื“ื™, ื•ื”ื™ื ื’ื ืžืžืฉืคื—ืช ื˜ืจื•ื ื™ืง. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืขืœื™ื”? ื›ื™ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืื‘ื ืœื ื—ื–ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ืืœื ืื‘ื ื”ืœืš ืœืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื ืฉืืจื• ืžื”ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื•ืžื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ื‘ืžืกืชื•ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืื•ืชื, ื•ืฉืœื— ืื•ืชื ืœืืจืฅ-ื™ืฉืจืืœ. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช. ื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–? ื›ื™ ื™ืฉ ืฉื ืื–ื•ืจ ืฉืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื• ืื™ืกืงืœืงื ื–, ืฉื–ื” ื ืžืฆื ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–. ืื‘ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืฉื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืœื”ื ื”ื›ืฉืจื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘-45'-46', ื”ื•ื ืฉืœื— ืื•ืชื ืœืืจืฅ-ื™ืฉืจืืœ. ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืืœื ืžื›ืœ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื’ื ืงื‘ื•ืฆืช ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ืžื›ื‘ื™ ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžื–ื” ืชืžื•ื ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื˜ืจื•ื ื™ืง? ื›ื™ ื”ืื™ืžื ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื˜ื‘ื—ื™ืช ื‘ื›ืคืจ ืžืกืจื™ืง, ื•ื”ื‘ืช ืฉืœื” ื’ื ื’ืจื” ื‘ื›ืคืจ ืžืกืจื™ืง, ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื” ืื™ื“ื™. ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื‘ืงืจ ืื•ืชื, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉื™ืฉื™ื ืฉื ื” ืคื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื‘ืงืจ ืื•ืชื”. ื”ื™ื ืžืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื–ืžืŸ. ื”ื™ื ืื—ืช ืžื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืฉืื‘ื ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืื•ืชื.
ืฉ: ื‘ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืขื“ื•ืช ืฉืœืš ืืชื” ืžืกืคืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš, ืฉื”ื•ื ื›ื ืจืื” ืžืื•ื“ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืš.
ืช: ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื›ืœ-ื›ืš, ืื ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืฆืจืคืช. ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืชื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื™ืฉืจื“ื•ืช, ืฉืœ ื”ื”ืฆืœื”, ืฉืœ ื”ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ, ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉืขื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืฆืจืคืช, ื•ืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ืฉื.
ืช: ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืœืš, ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื”. ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืœืš ืขืœ ืื™ืš ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืจื—ื ื• ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ืžื”ื“ื™ืจื”, ื•ืขืœ ืื™ืš ืฉืื‘ื ื‘ื ื” ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื”ืฆื™ืœ ื’ื ืื•ืชื ื• ื•ื’ื ืืช ืื—ืจื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืขืกืง ื‘ื—ืงืœืื•ืช ื›ืื™ืœื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื—ืงืœืื™. ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืื ื™, ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื‘ืจื—ืชื™ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืคืขืžื™ื ืžื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื, ืฉื”ื ื‘ืื• ืžืžืฉ ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ืื•ืชื™. ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื ืœื‘ืจื•ื—, ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ื’ื ืœื ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ, ื•ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ื’ื ืœื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื”ืจื™ื ื‘ืžืง"ื™ ืขื ื ืฉืง, ื•ืœื”ื™ืœื—ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉื—ืจืจ ืืช ืฆืจืคืช. ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™, ืื‘ืœ ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื ื’ืžืจ ื›ืžื• ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื•ื›ืžื• ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ื”ืจื™ื ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืื‘ื, ื•ืื‘ื ื ื™ื”ืœ ืืช ื›ืœ ืคืขื•ืœืช ื”ื”ืชื ื’ื“ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื ืžืฆืื™ื ืื™ืชื• ื‘ืจื–ื™ืกื˜ืื ืก ืื• ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ื‘ืื–ื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื›ืฉืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื›ืœื•ื—ื, ืžื” ื”ื™ื• ื”ืžื˜ืจื•ืช ืฉืœื›ื?
ืช: ื”ืžื˜ืจื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ืœื”ื™ืœื—ื ื ื’ื“ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื”ื ืœื ืจืง ื™ืจื• ืขืœื™ื ื• ืžืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื, ืืœื ื”ื ื™ืจื• ืขืœ ืืกืคืงื”, ืฉื”ื™ื• ืžืฉืื™ื•ืช ืืกืคืงื”, ืฉื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื• ืืกืคืงื”. ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืขื ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื ื™ืจื• ืขืœ ืžืฉืื™ืช ืืกืคืงื” ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืขื™ืจ ื‘ืฉืืจืžื• ืกืจืœื™ื ื™ื•, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืกื‘ื™ื‘ืชื”. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื”ื›ื™ ืฆืขื™ืจ, ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืคืงื“ ืขืœ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื ื™ ื‘ืกื›ื ื”. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื ืจืื” ื›ืžื• ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื‘ืŸ ืฉืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ืืคื™ืœื• ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืŸ ืฉื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื”. ื™ืจื“ืชื™ ื‘ืœื™ืœื”, ื•ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื–ื”? ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ืขืœ ืžื” ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื™ืจื•, ืขืœ ืื™ื–ื• ืžืฉืื™ืช. ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื•ื™ืจื“ืชื™ ืžืจื—ืง ืฉืœ ื—ืžื™ืฉื”-ืขืฉืจ ืง"ืž ืขื“ ืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื” ื‘ื’ืฉื ืฉื•ื˜ืฃ. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืื– ื’ืฉื ื›ื–ื”, ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื–ื” ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื. ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืคืชื•ื— ืืช ื”ืคื”, ื•ืœื ืจืื™ืชื™ ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืœื•ื. ื™ืจื“ืชื™ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ืขืœ ืื™ื–ื• ืžืฉืื™ืช ื™ืจื•, ื•ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ื ื™ืจื• ืขืœ ืžืฉืื™ืช ืขื ื—ืœื‘. ื”ืžืฉืื™ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื•ื”ื—ืœื‘ ื”ื™ื” ืขื ื—ื•ืจื™ื. ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœืžืงื•ื ื”ืžื—ื‘ื•ื, ื•ืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœื”ื ืฉื™ืจื• ืขืœ ืžืฉืื™ืช.
ืฉ: ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืฉื”ืชืจื›ื–ื” ืฉื, ื›ืžื” ืžืื•ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื”ื ื™ื›ืœื• ืจืง ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ, ืื• ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืžืงื‘ื™ืœ ื’ื ืœื”ื™ืœื—ื?
ืช: ื”ื ื’ื ืœื—ืžื•, ืžื” ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ื”ื ื ืœื—ืžื•?
ืฉ: ื”ืฉืืœื” ื”ื™ื, ื”ืื ื”ืœื—ื™ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืจืฆื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช, ืื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ืœืง ืžืžืืžืฅ ื”ื™ืฉืจื“ื•ืชื™?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืžื” ืฉืืžืจื• ืœื”ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช, ื”ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื•ื•ืœื•ื ื˜ืจื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืžื—ืชืจืช, ืœื”ื™ืœื—ื, ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ืŸ, ืื• ืฉื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื“ืจืš ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ ื•ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื?
ืช: ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืจืง ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ ื•ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื, ื›ื™ ืื—ืจืช ืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื™ื•ืจื“ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉื—ืจืจ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon). ืืœื ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืคืขื ื ืฉืง ื•ืœื—ืžื ื•. ื–ื” ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืชืงืคื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขื ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื, ืื– ืื•ืžื ื ืœื ื™ืจื™ื ื• ืขืœ ื”ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืขื–ืจื ื• ืœืคื•ืฆืฅ ืืช ื”ื’ืฉืจื™ื ื‘ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon).
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื• ื ืžืฆืื•ืช ืื™ืžื ื•ืื—ื•ืชืš ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืชืงื•ืคื”?
ืช: ืื™ืžื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืื‘ื. ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืืžืจืชื™, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื”ื ื“ื™ืจื” ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืขื™ืจ. ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื”ืจื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš ืื•ืชื. ืชืืžื™ื ื™ ืœื™, ืฉืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”. ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื ืฉืกื™ืคืจ, ื›ืžื• ืฉืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉ ืกื’ื•ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจืง ืขื•ืฉื”. ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื•ืืฃ ืคืขื ื”ื•ื ืœื ืกื™ืคืจ ื›ืœื•ื. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืืจื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืกื™ืคืจ, ืืœื ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ืกื™ืคืจื” ืœื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ื ืคืฆืข ืืจื‘ืข ืคืขืžื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืžืœื ืื•ืชื•ืช ื”ืฆื˜ื™ื™ื ื•ืช ืžื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™. ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ, ื’ื ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ. ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื–ื” ืœื ื ืขื™ื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื•, ื›ื™ ืื™ืŸ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืกื™ื ื›ืืœื”. ืชืจืื™ ืœื™ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก ืื—ื“ ื‘ืขื•ืœื, ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœืŸ ื‘ื™ื ืœืื•ืžื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื ื—ื–ืŸ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื ืื™ืฉ ืžื—ืชืจืช ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื• ืžืคืขืœ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื ืžื ื”ืœ ืขืกืงื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืขืœื™ื™ื” ื‘' ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ-ืœืืจืฅ, ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื—ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื›ืฉืจื”, ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช. ื™ืฉ ื’ื ืื•ืชื•ืช ื”ืฆื˜ื™ื™ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื•, ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืฉืื ื™ ืืจืื” ืœืš ืื•ืชื. ืื– ืžื” ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ? ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ืœื“, ื™ืœื“ ืฉื’ื“ืœ ื‘ืืžืช ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื” ืขื ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื›ืจื•ืš ื‘ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืืชื” ื ืžืฆื ืคื” ื‘ืจื’ืข ื”ื–ื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืฉื ื™ื ื• ืจืง ืœื”ืฆื˜ืขืจ, ืฉืื‘ื ืœื ื ืžืฆื ืคื” ืœืชืช ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื•. ืืชื” ื ืžืฆื ืคื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืชืช ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื”. ืœืžืฉืœ, ืžื” ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ืฉื ื‘ื”ืจื™ื ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”? ื”ืื ื–ื” ืžืกื•ื›ืŸ ืœืจื“ืช ืœืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon)?
ืช: ืžื” ื–ื” ืžืกื•ื›ืŸ? ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืกื•ื›ืŸ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœืœื›ืช ืœื›ื‘ื™ืฉ ืฉื. ืœืžื” ื‘ืจื—ื ื• ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื›ื™ ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ื‘ืื•, ื•ื”ื ืขืฉื• ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื—ื™ืคื•ืฉื™ื. ืื™ืš ื”ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื•ืœืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™? ื”ื ื™ื“ืขื• ื”ื›ืœ, ื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื ืจืฉื™ืžื•ืช. ืœืžื” ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื ืœืš ืœืขื™ืจื™ื™ื” ืœื”ื™ืจืฉื ืฉื, ื•ืฉืžื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื›ืจื˜ื™ืก, ื›ื™ ืื– ื”ื ื™ื“ืขื• ืืช ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื›ื ืขืจ ืฆืขื™ืจ ื”ื‘ื ืช ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ, ืฉืืชื ื‘ืกื›ื ืช ื—ื™ื™ื ื›ืœ ืจื’ืข?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื”ื‘ื ืชื™, ืžื’ื™ืœ ืฉืœื•ืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”, ืืจื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื” ืื ื™ ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ื”ื›ืœ.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื—ื•ืชืš?
ืช: ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื–, ืื‘ืœ ืฉืžื• ืืชื” ืืฆืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืขื™ืจ ืจื•ืืŸ. ืจื•ืืŸ ื–ืืช ื’ื-ื›ืŸ ืขื™ืจ ืฉื ืžืฆืืช ื‘ืžืจื›ื– ืฆืจืคืช. ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื, ื”ื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื ื™ ื‘ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืืชื ื‘ืขืฆื ื ืคื’ืฉืชื ืขื ืื—ื•ืชืš ืจืง ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ืœื, ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉืืจืœื™ื–ื” ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืžืงื•ื...
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืขืœื™ืช ืœื”ืจื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื”, ื™ืจื“ืชื™ ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžื”. ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื– ืื•ืœื™ ื‘ืช ืขืฉืจ, ืื—ืช-ืขืฉืจื”, ืื– ืื ื™ ื™ืจื“ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ืฉืœื•ืžื”, ื•ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืช ืื– ื‘ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืขื ืื‘ื ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืชื”ืคื•ื›ื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืžื‘ืฆืขื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ื”ื™ื™ืช ืื– ืžื•ื“ืข ืœื–ื”, ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื•ื ืžื ื”ื™ื’, ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ืขืœ ื›ื•ืฉืจ ืžื ื”ื™ื’ื•ืช, ืฉื”ื•ื ืžื ื”ืœ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื‘ืฆืขื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ืื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ืชื—ื•ื•ืจ ืœืš ืจืง ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš?
ืช: ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ื•ืจืžืืœื™, ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืืช ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืขื ื›ืœ ื–ื”. ื’ื“ืœืชื™ ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื–ืŸ, ื’ื“ืœืชื™ ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœืŸ, ื’ื“ืœืชื™ ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื ื”ืœ ืžืคืขืœ, ื•ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ืžืคืขืœ ื”ื–ื”. ืืฆืœื ื• ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื›ื” ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื ื•ืจืžืืœื™ืช. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื•ืžื ื ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืืžื™ื“ื” ื•ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ืžื™ ื™ื“ืข ืฉืื‘ื ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจ? ื’ื ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจ. ืื‘ืœ ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ื—ื™ื™ื ื ื•ืจืžืืœื™ื™ื. ื”ื™ื• ืื•ืžื ื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืจืขื™ื ืจืง ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื ื•, ืืœื ื’ื ื”ืื—ืจื™ื ืกื‘ืœื• ืžื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื•ืœื ืจืง ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉื”ืกืชื™ื™ืžื” ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื•ืืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื›ื‘ืจ ืื ืฉื™ื ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ื™ื, ืืชื ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื ืฉื”ืื•ื›ืœื•ืกื™ื™ื” ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ืช ืงื™ื‘ืœื” ืืชื›ื?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื™ ืžืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœืš, ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ืื ืฉื™ื ืจืขื™ื. ื›ืžื• ืœืžืฉืœ, ื–ื” ืฉืืžืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืฉืฉื‘ืจืชื™ ืœื• ืืช ื”ืœืกืช, ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ืื•ืชื• ืžืฉืชืฃ ืคืขื•ืœื”. ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื• ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืคื ื™ืžื™ื™ื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืฉื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืชื” ืจื•ืื” ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช"? ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื” ื•ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื”. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื—ืช ื›ืžื• ื•ืืœืจื™ ืœืื“ื™ืจ ื›ื–ืืช, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืคื™ื–ืจื” ืื•ืชื ืืฆืœ ืื ืฉื™ื. ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ ื”ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ ื”ืจืข. ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื’ื ื›ืืœื”, ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื ื‘ืœื•ืช, ื›ืžื• ืฉืื•ืžืจื™ื. ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขืฆืจื ื•, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืขืฆืจ ืœืžืขืฉื”. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื—ืจื•ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืื‘ื ื”ืœืš ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืฆืžืจืช ืฉืฉื™ืชืคื” ืคืขื•ืœื” ืขื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื›ื•ืœืœ ืจืืฉ ื”ืงื™ืืกื˜ื• ื–'ื•ืื™ืฃ ื‘ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ื•ื”ื›ื ืกื ื• ืื•ืชื ืœื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื•. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ืฉื ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ืฉืžื•ื ื” ื—ื“ืจื™ื ื‘ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืื™ืคื” ืฉืืžืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืคื•ืืŸ ื“ืœื’ื™ื‘ ื˜ืืจ, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื’ืฉืจ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ ืฉืœื ืคื•ืฆืฆื ื• ื‘ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon). ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ื“ื™ืจื” ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช ืื• ืจื‘ื™ืขื™ืช, ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ืฉืžื•ื ื” ื—ื“ืจื™ื. ื›ืœ ืคืขื ื›ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื‘ื™ื ืื—ื“, ื”ื™ื• ืžื›ื ื™ืกื™ื ืื•ืชื• ืœื—ื“ืจ ืœื—ื‘ืจ'ื”. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื–ืžื ื• ื‘ืžืงืจื” ื‘ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืกื™ืคืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื•, ืื ื™ ืœื ืืกืคืจ ืฉื•ื‘. ืื‘ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื”ื‘ืจื›ื•ืช ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื•ืช ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืฉื—ืจื•ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืงืฆื™ืŸ. ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืขื ื”ื˜ืœื™ืช ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื›ื ืกืช, ื•ืขืฉื” ืืช ื”ืชืคื™ืœื•ืช ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืฉื—ืจื•ืจ. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืืคื™ืœื• ื ืื•ื ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”. ื‘ืžืงืจื” ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฆื‘ื, ื”ื•ื ื—ื–ืจ ืœืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื—ื•ืคืฉ ื•ืืžืจื• ืœื•: "ืœืš ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื›ื ืกืช". ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื›ื ืกืช, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ื”ื•ื ืจืื” ืืช ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืžืชืคืœืœ, ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ืจืื” ืื•ืชื• ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืงืจื”, ื‘ืžืงืจื”. ืื– ืžื” ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ? ืขืฆืจื ื• ืื™ื–ื” ืฉื‘ืขื”, ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืžืžืฉืชืคื™ ื”ืคืขื•ืœื”, ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื“ื™ืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื•ืื— ืฉืœื™ ืฉืžืจื ื• ืขืœื™ื”ื. ืื—ื™ ื”ื™ื” ืขื ืืงื“ื—, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ. ื›ืœ ืคืขื ื›ืฉืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื‘ื™ื ืื—ื“, ืขื ืฉื ื™ ื—ื‘ืจ'ื”, ื”ื ืžืžืฉ ืจืฆื—ื• ืืช ืžืฉืชืคื™ ื”ืคืขื•ืœื” ืขื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื. ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื ืœื“ื™ืจื”, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉืžืจื ื• ืขืœื™ื”ื. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉื”ื ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื™ื• ืฉื. ืื—ื™ ืืžืจ: "ื”ื ืœื ืื›ืœื• ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื•ื, ืื•ืœื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืชืช ืœื”ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืœืื›ื•ืœ"? ืคืชื—ื ื• ืืช ื”ืžื˜ื‘ื—, ื›ื™ ื”ืจื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืฆื ืข, ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืžื” ืœืื›ื•ืœ. ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืชืคื•ื—ื™-ืื“ืžื” ื—ืชื•ื›ื™ื ื›ืืœื” ื™ื‘ืฉื™ื, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ื“ื™ื–ื™ื˜ืจื˜ื” , ื›ื›ื” ืžื™ื•ื‘ืฉื™ื. ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื˜ื‘ื—ื™ื, ืื– ืฉืžื ื• ืื•ืชื ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืžื—ื‘ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ื—ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืชืช ืœื”ื ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื–ืจืงื ื• ื”ื›ืœ. ื‘ืขืจื‘ ืคืชืื•ื ืฆืœืฆืœื• ื‘ื“ืœืช, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ, ื•ืื—ื™ ืคืชื— ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช. ืื ื—ื ื• ืจืื™ื ื• ืื™ื–ื” ืืจื‘ืขื” ืฉื•ื˜ืจื™ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ื•ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื ืื–ืจื—ื™ื™ื. ื”ื ื ื›ื ืกื• ื‘ื“ืœืช ื•ืืžืจื•: "ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืื™ื ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ื”ืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื. ืื—ื™ ื•ืื ื™ ื”ืกืชื›ืœื ื• ืื—ื“ ืขืœ ื”ืฉื ื™, ืžืฉื” ื”ืกืชื›ืœ ืขืœื™, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™ ืขืœื™ื•. ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™, ืžื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื? ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ืžืกื•ื“ืจ, ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืฉืœื— ืื•ืชื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ื”ืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื. ืืžืจื ื• ืœื”ื: "ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืชื™ืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื". ืื‘ื ื—ื–ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื‘ืขืจื‘ ืฉื ืœื“ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ืฉืœ ืžืฉืชืฃ ื”ืคืขื•ืœื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื™: "ืื™ืคื” ื”ื"? ืืžืจื ื• ืœื•: "ื”ืจื™ ืืชื” ืฉืœื—ืช ืื ืฉื™ื ืœืงื—ืช ืื•ืชื". ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื ื•: "ืื ื™ ืฉืœื—ืชื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ืœืงื—ืช ืื•ืชื"? ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื”ืื ื‘ืืžืช ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื, ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืžืจ ืœื”ื ืฉื”ื ืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื ืคื”, ื•ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ื™ื“ืข ืขืœ ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ. ืื ื—ื ื• ืขืฆืจื ื• ืื•ืชื, ื”ื›ื ืกื ื• ืื•ืชื ืœื“ื™ืจื”, ื•ืฉืžืจื ื• ืขืœื™ื”ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืฉืœื ื™ื‘ืจื—ื•. ื‘ืื• ืœืฉื ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืœื™ืžื”, ื•ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื. ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ืžืคื•ื‘ืจืงื™ื, ืื• ืฉืฉื—ืจืจื• ืื•ืชื, ืื• ืฉืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ืœื‘ื™ืช-ืกื•ื”ืจ.
ืฉ: ืžื”, ื‘ืขืฆื, ื”ื™ื” ื”ืชืคืงื™ื“ ื”ืจืฉืžื™ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš ื‘ืื•ืชื ื™ืžื™ื, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื•ืจื•ืช ืขืœ ืชืคื™ืกืช ืžืฉืชืคื™ื?
ืช: ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ ืฆืจืคืชื™.
ืฉ: ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ ื‘ืจื–ื™ืกื˜ืื ืก?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ ื‘ืจื–ื™ืกื˜ืื ืก, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ ื’ื ื‘ืฆื‘ื. ื”ื ื” ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช. ืงืจืื• ืœื˜ื ื• ื ื™ืื•ื ืœ, ืœื ืงืจืื ื• ืœื• ืœื™ืื•ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืคืขืžื™ื ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช, ืžืื™ืคื” ื‘ืืžืช ื™ืฉ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื”, ื”ืื ืฆื™ืœืžื• ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืืช ืžื” ืฉืงืจื”?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืžื‘ื™ืช-ืงื‘ืจื•ืช, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืงื‘ืจื ื• ื‘ืฉื—ืจื•ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื”ืจื•ื’ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžื™ ืฆื™ืœื?
ืช: ื›ืžื• ืฉืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืฉืขื‘ืจ ืœื™ ื›ื“ื•ืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื ื™ ื”ืจืืฉื™ื ืฉืœื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ื™ื™ื ืื• ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ืžืชื™ื, ืฉืงื‘ืจื ื• ืื•ืชื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืงื‘ืจื•ืช ื‘ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon) ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžื–ื” ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืžื™ ืฆื™ืœื ืื–, ืžื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืฆืžืชื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ื•ืฆื™ืœื ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช?
ืช: ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื“ืื’, ื›ื ืจืื”, ืœืฆืœื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื’ื ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืœื•ื— ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื‘ืจื›ื‘ืช ื‘ืืคืจื™ืœ 45' ืžืฆืจืคืช ืœื™ืฉืจืืœ, ืฉื’ื ืขื‘ืจ ื™ื•ื‘ืœ, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžื–ื” ื’ื ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืฉืœ ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ื•ืงืจื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืžื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘ ื”ืื•ืจื’ื™ื ืœื™, ืฉื”ื–ืžื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื• ื‘-41' ืœืขื™ืจื™ื™ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ื—ื•ืชืžื•ืช ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื–'ื•ืื™ืฃ, ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ืœืš. ืžื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื›ืœ ื”ื‘ืœื’ืŸ, ืžื” ืฉืขืฉื™ื ื• ื‘ืจื–ื™ืกื˜ื ืก, ื‘ื”ืชื ื’ื“ื•ืช, ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืื–. ื”ืžื›ืชื‘ ื”ื–ื” ื ืžืฆื ืคื” ืืฆืœื™.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉื ื’ืžืจื” ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื•ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืื‘ื ื ืจืชื ืœืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช. ืืžืจืช ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื–ืจ ื‘ืฉื™ืœื•ื— ืื•ื ื™ื•ืช ื”ืžืขืคื™ืœื™ื ืฉืœ ืขืœื™ื” ื‘'?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืจืง ืขื–ืจ, ืืœื ื”ื•ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ื”ื›ืœ.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืžืกื’ืจืช ื”ื•ื ืคืขืœ ืคื”, ื‘ืขืœื™ื” ื‘', ื‘ืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื”ื‘ืจื™ื—ื”, ื‘ื”ื’ื ื”?
ืช: ืื‘ื ืืจื’ืŸ ืืช ืขืœื™ื” ื‘', ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ืžืกืคืจ ืื—ื“ ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื, ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข. ืืช ืชืจืื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืœืคื™ ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืฉื ื” ื”ื•ื ืขืœื” ืืจืฆื”?
ืช: ื”ื•ื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื ื—ื–ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืขื“ 47', ื”ื•ื ื˜ื™ืคืœ ื‘ื–ื”. ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ื•ื ืขืกืง ื‘ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืจื›ื–. ืœื ืจืง ื”ื•ื, ืืœื ื’ื ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ืขืกืงื” ื‘ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช. ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ืœื›ื” ืขื ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื. ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื—ื–ืจื ื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืืœื ื—ื–ืจื ื• ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand). ืื‘ืœ ืื‘ื ื ืฉืืจ ื‘ื˜ื•ืœื•ื–, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžืจื›ื–, ืฉื”ื•ื ืจื™ื›ื– ืฉื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื ืฉืืจื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ืฉืœื— ืื•ืชื ืœื™ืฉืจืืœ ืžื” ืื™ืžื ืขืฉืชื”? ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœื—ืคืฉ ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืฉื”ื™ื ืคื™ื–ืจื” ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืื™ืžื ืคื™ื–ืจื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืืฆืœ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืื™ื›ืจื™ื ื‘ื”ืจื™ื, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื ืกืขื” ืขื ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ืคืฉ ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื•, ื›ื™ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ื ื”ืจื’ื• ื‘ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ื ื”ืจื’ื• ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื•ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื ืฉืืจื• ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืื™ื›ืจื™ื. ืื™ืžื ืœืงื—ื” ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื– ื”ื›ื™ ืฆืขื™ืจื”, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื– ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืช ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื•ื—ืžืฉ ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”. ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื›ื ืจืื” ื’ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช, ืื– ืื™ืžื ื ืคืœื”. ื”ื™ื ื ืกืขื” ื‘ื”ืจื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ืคืฉ ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืื•ืชื ืžืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื ืคืœื” ืฉื ื‘ื”ืจื™ื. ืคืชืื•ื ื‘ื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืœื™ื ื•, ื•ื“ืคืง ื‘ื“ืœืช. ืื– ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื’ืจื ื• ืืฆืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“, ืืœื ื’ืจื ื• ื‘ื“ื™ืจื” ืื—ืจืช. ื”ื•ื ื‘ื, ื”ื‘ื™ื ืืช ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ืขืœ ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื ื•: "ื”ื™ื ื ืคืœื” ืžื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื•ืฉื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฆืœืขื•ืช". ืืช ืจื•ืื”, ื™ืฉ ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื’ื ืื ืฉื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ื”ืจื™ ื™ื›ืœื• ื›ืžื• ื‘ืืจืฅ ืœื”ืฉืื™ืจ ืื•ืชื” ืขืœ ื”ื›ื‘ื™ืฉ ื‘ื”ืจื™ื. ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœืงื— ืื•ืชื”, ื”ืจื™ื ืื•ืชื”, ื”ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื” ืขื“ ืืœื™ื ื•, ืขื“ ื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ืฉื›ื‘ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืจืง ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื—ื™ืคื•ืฉ ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื”ื™ื ืจืฆืชื” ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืžื”ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืื•ืชื ืœืฉื. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื”ื? ื›ื™ ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ื•ื’ื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื” ืคื™ื™ื˜ืจื™ื ื›ืžื•ื”ื. ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœ ืื•ื ื“ืจื™ ืกืœื•ืžื•, ืื ืฉืžืขืช ืขืœื™ื”. ืื•ื ื“ืจื™ ืกืœื•ืžื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืžื™ื™ืกื“ืช ืฉืœ O.Z โ€“ ืืจื’ื ื™ื–ืฆื™ื•ืŸ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ื–ื“. ื”ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืœ 'ื”ืชืงื•ื•ื”', ื–ื” ื‘ื ืžื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื”ื–ืืช. ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ืžื•ืœื ื•, ืžื•ืœ ื”ืจื•ืคื, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื”ื ื“ื™ืจื” ืื—ืช ืžื•ืœ ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ืื™ืชื. ืื™ืžื ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืื•ื ื“ืจื™ ืกืœื•ืžื•, ืœื”ื›ื ื™ืก ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืœื”ื—ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื, ืœื”ืกืชื™ืจ ืื•ืชื. ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœื—ืคืฉ ืื•ืชื, ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืื•ืชื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื ืคืœื” ืžื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉื”ืžื™ื™ืกื“ืช ืฉืœ ืืจื’ื•ืŸ O.Z ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื˜ื— ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืžื‘ื™ื ื” ืฉื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœืš ื–ื›ื• ืœื”ืจื‘ื” ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ื•ืงืจื” ื•ืœื”ืจื‘ื”...
ืช: ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคื” ื‘ืืจืฅ ื‘ื•ื•ื™ืฆ"ื•, ื•ื›ืฉื”ื™ื ื ืคื˜ืจื” ืฉืชืœื• ื™ืขืจ ืขืœ ืฉืžื”, ื™ืขืจ ืฉืœ ืื™ื–ื” ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืขืฆื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืื™ื–ื• ืชืขื•ื“ื”, ืฉืฉืชืœื• ืื™ื–ื” ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืขืฆื™ื ืขืœ ืฉืžื” ืฉืœ ืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™. ื”ืขืฆื™ื ื‘ื˜ื— ื ืฉืจืคื• ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื. ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ื•ืงืจื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆื ื•ืขื™ื ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืืฃ ืคืขื ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. ืืคื™ืœื• ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื›ืœื•ื.
ืฆื“ ืจื‘ื™ืขื™:
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช, ืฉืืžืจืช ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืžืฉืคื˜ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ โ€“ ืื ื™ ื’ื“ืœืชื™ ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”. ื‘ื•ื ืชืžืฉื™ืš ืžื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื”, ืฉื’ื“ืœืช ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”. ืœื ื”ื‘ื ืช ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ื™ื™ืช ื™ืœื“, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืœื—ืžื”. ืžื” ื”ืชื—ืœืช ืœื•ืžืจ?
ืช: ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื•ืžืจ, ืฉืœืžืฉืœ ื ืฉืง, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื”ื ืฉืง ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ, ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื”ืกื‘ืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืงื™ื‘ืœ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ืฉื”ืฆื ื™ื—ื• ื›ื ืจืื” ื‘ืชื—ื™ืœืช 42'. ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื“ืขืช ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื•. ืื ื™ ืจืง ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื•ืขื ื”ืžื–ื›ื™ืจื” ืขืœ ื”ืกื˜ืŸ ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืœื ื™ืจืื• ืืช ื”ืกื˜ื ื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื”ื“ืจื™ืš ืืช ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืžื” ื–ื” ืกื˜ืŸ. ื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืืจื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื” ื‘ืœื’ื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ืจื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืžื—ื” ื‘ื ืฉืง, ืœื ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืื™ื–ื” ื ืฉืง ืฉื ืชื ื• ืœื•, ื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข ืžื” ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ื”ื“ืจื›ื”. ืื™ืš ื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื• ื”ืกื˜ืŸ? ืื ื™ ื‘ืืžืช ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข. ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื‘ืจื—ืชื™, ื›ืฉื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื”ืฆื˜ืจืฃ ืืœื™ื•, ื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืจื•ื‘ื”. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืจื•ื‘ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืžืื•ื–ืจ. ืœื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืจื•ื‘ื™ื. ืื™ืš ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืฉื ืจื•ื‘ื”? ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืจื•ื‘ื”, ืื– ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืจื•ื‘ื”. ื›ืฉื™ืจื“ื ื• ืœืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon) ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ, ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืžื” ื–ื” ืกื˜ืŸ, ื•ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ื’ื ืœื™ืจื•ืช ืขื ื”ืกื˜ืŸ. ื™ืจื“ื ื• ืขื ืื•ื˜ื• ื’ื ื•ื‘, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืจืงื™ื–ื™ืกื™ื•ื ื”, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื” ื–ื” ืจืงื™ื–ืกื™ื•ื ื”? ื–ื” ื”ื—ืจืžื”, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื—ืจืžื ื•, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื”ืจื–ื™ืกื˜ืื ืก ื”ื—ืจืžื ื• ืœื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื ืื•ื˜ื• ืขืœ ื”ื›ื‘ื™ืฉ, ืืžืจื ื• ืœื•: "ืชืฆื!" ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ืจื“ื ื• ืœืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon). ืœืื‘ื ื™ืฉ ืฉื ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื”ื•ืงืจื”. ื›ืชื•ื‘ ืฉื, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืจื“ ืขื ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืœืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon), ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ืจ ื›ืžื” ืžื—ืกื•ืžื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื™ื, ื”ื•ื ื ื›ื ืก, ื•ืœื—ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืฉื—ืจืจ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ. ืขืœ ื–ื” ื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืื•ืช ืงืจื‘ื™ื•ื“ื’ืจ ืขื ืคืื•ืœ ื‘ื ื•ืกืฃ. ื™ืฉ ืœื• ื’ื ืžื”ืœื™ื‘ืจืกื• ื”ื–ื” ืื•ืช ืฉืœ ืฉื—ืจื•ืจ ืฆืจืคืช ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื• ืขื•ื“ ื›ืžื” ืื•ืชื•ืช. ืื‘ืœ ืฉื ื›ืชื•ื‘ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื‘ื•ืก ื‘ืฉืืจืžื• ืกืจืœื™ื ื™ื• ืฉืœ ื”ืžื—ืชืจืช, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืจื“ ืœืฉื—ืจืจ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื™ื•ืŸ (Lyon) ืžื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื•ืขืœ ื–ื” ื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืื•ืช ื”ื•ืงืจื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœืš ืฉื ืชืžื•ื ื” ืขื ื ืฉืง, ืฉืืชื” ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืฉื ืชืžื•ื ื” ืขื ื ืฉืง, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื• ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ื–ื• ืœื™ืœื“, ื‘ืžื•ืฉื’ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื•ื ื–ื” ื™ืœื“ ื‘ืŸ ื—ืžืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”, ืฉืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”, ืžื—ื–ื™ืง ื ืฉืง? ืžื” ื”ืจื’ืฉืช?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื”ืืžืช ื”ื™ื, ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืืฃ ืคืขื ื™ืœื“. ืื ื™ ื’ื“ืœืชื™ ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืืžื™ื“ื”, ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืชืจื‘ื•ืชื™ ื•ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืžื•ืกื™ืงืœื™, ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ื—ื™ื ื•ืš. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ื’ื ื“ื•ื’ืžื”, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื“ื•ื’ืžื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืœืš ืืช ื–ื”? ื›ื™ ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืื—ืจื™ื•. ื’ื ื‘ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืกืคื•ืจื˜ืื™, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื’ื ื—ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื”ืœืช ื”ื”ืชืื—ื“ื•ืช ืœื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ, ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ืžื” ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™? ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™, ืืœื ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™, ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื• ืจื’ืขื™ื ืžืคื—ื™ื“ื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœืš ื‘ื›ืœ ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ืืœื”? ื”ื™ื• ืจื’ืขื™ื ืฉืคื—ื“ืช ืžืื•ื“?
ืช: ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ืคื—ื“ืชื™.
ืฉ: ืœื“ืขืชืš, ื’ื ืื‘ื ืœื ืคื—ื“?
ืช: ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื ื™ื’ื ืชื™, ื›ื™ ื›ืžื• ืฉืืžืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืชื ื• ืงื•ื ืฆืจื˜ ื›ืฉื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื•ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื™ืช-ืžืœื•ืŸ ืฉืขืฉื™ื ื• ืืช ื”ืงื•ื ืฆืจื˜ ื”ื™ื• ืงืฆื™ื ื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืื– ื”ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื ืขื™ืžื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืคื—ื“, ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืคื—ื“. ื–ื” ืฉืฉื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ืคืจืฆื•ืฃ, ื›ืžื• ืฉืื•ืžืจื™ื, ืœื™ืœื“ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืงืจื ืœื™ "ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžืœื•ื›ืœืš", ืœื ืคื—ื“ืชื™. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืจื—ืชื™, ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืืžืจื• ืœื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ืจืืฉ ื”ืžื™ืœื™ืฆื™ื”. ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืคื—ื“, ืืœื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš. ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ, ืื– ื‘ืจื—ืชื™.
ืฉ: ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืช ื›ื ื•ืข, ืงื™ื‘ืœืช ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืœื”ืฉื™ื‘ ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื ื•ืข, ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ื—ื™ื ื•ืš ืœื”ืฉื™ื‘ ืžืœื—ืžื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืกืชื™ื™ืžื”, ื•ื›ืœ ืฆืจืคืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืฉื•ื—ืจืจืช, ืืžืจืช, ืฉืื‘ื ื”ืชื’ื™ื™ืก ืœื˜ื•ื‘ืช ื”ืขืœื™ื™ื” ืœืืจืฅ, ืฉืขื“ 47' ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืขืกื•ืง ื‘ืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื”ืขืœื™ื™ื” ืœืืจืฅ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืขืกื•ืง ื‘ืืจื’ื•ืŸ ื”ืขืœื™ื™ื” ืœืืจืฅ ืขื“ 47'.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืืชื ืขืฉื™ืชื ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื–ืžืŸ? ืื™ืคื” ืืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ืื•ืชืŸ ืฉื ื™ื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ืฉืฉื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช. ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ืกืคืจ, ื›ื™ ื”ืจื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื, ื•ื‘ืฉื ื” ืฉื‘ืจื—ืชื™, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ื›ื™ืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™, ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ืŸ ืืจื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื”, ื—ืžืฉ-ืขืฉืจื”. ื”ื™ื• ื—ืกืจื•ืช ืœื™ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช. ืื– ื›ืฉื—ื–ืจื ื• ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื‘ืฉื ื” ืื—ืช ืืช ื”ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ืŸ ืฉื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื‘ืฉื ื” ืื—ืช ื—ื•ืžืจ ืฉืœ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื. ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื“ื•ื•ืงื ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ื‘ื›ื™ืชื” ืฉืœื™, ืฉื”ื ืขื–ืจื• ืœื™. ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืืœื™ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขื–ืจ ืœื™ ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื‘ืžืชื™ืžื˜ื™ืงื”. ื›ื›ื” ืขื–ืจื• ืœื™, ื•ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ืชืขื•ื“ืช ื”ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื‘ืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand) ืืœื ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื›ื™ ื‘-47' ื—ื–ืจื ื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื›ืฉืื‘ื ื—ื–ืจ, ืื– ื—ื–ืจื ื• ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื•ืืช ื”ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg).
ืฉ: ืžื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื ื›ืœ ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืชืคื™ืจื” ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืฆื™ื•ื“?
ืช: ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืžืชืžืฉืš ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื, ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื‘ืงืฉื”. ืžื” ืฉืงืจื”, ืฉื—ืœืง ืงื˜ืŸ ืžื”ืฆื™ื•ื“ ืขื‘ืจ ืœืœื™ืžื•ื–', ื›ื™ ืฉื ื™ ื”ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืขื‘ืจื• ืœืœื™ืžื•ื–'. ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœืงืœืจืžื•ื ื˜-ืคืืจื• (Clermont Ferrand), ื”ื ืขื‘ืจื• ืœืœื™ืžื•ื–'. ื”ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืžืกืคืจ ืงื˜ืŸ ืฉืœ ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช, ื•ื”ื ื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื–', ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืฉื•ื‘ ืžืคืขืœ ื‘ืœื™ืžื•ื–', ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ืฉื. ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื•ืœื™ ืขืฉืจื” ืื—ื•ื– ืžื”ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื‘ืžืคืขืœ, ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืฉืืจ ื ืฉืืจ ืฉื. ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื‘ืงืฉื”, ืื‘ืœ ืจืง ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื ื”, ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ื‘ื›ืœืœ. ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืขืฉื• ื›ืœื•ื. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืคื˜ืจ ื‘ืฉื ืช 59' ืคื” ื‘ืœื™ืžืŸ ืœืคื ื™ ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ืฉื ื”. ื”ื•ื ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ื‘ื™ืงืฉ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื•ื”ื ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืขืฉื• ืฉืœื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. ืื ื—ื ื• ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื’ื ืขืœ ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื–ืืช ืฉื ื”ืจื’ื”, ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. ืขื“ ืฉื”ื’ื‘ืจืช ื”ืชืขื•ืจืจื”. ืฉืืœืชื™ ืื•ืชื”: "ืœืžื”"? ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”: "ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืฉืื™ืจ ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ื›ืœ? ืœื ืจืง ืฉื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ื›ืœ, ืœืงื—ื• ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื”ืจื’ื• ืื•ืชื, ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื, ื•ื”ื ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืฉืœื"? ืื– ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื‘ืงืฉื”. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ืœืš ืœืฆืœื ืืช ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข ืœืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg), ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœืฆืœื ืืช ื”ืžืคืขืœ. ื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ืžื›ืชื‘, ืฉื‘ื—ื“ืจ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื• ืžืื•ืช ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ืชืคื™ืจื”, ื‘ื—ื“ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื• ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ืกืจื™ื’ื”. ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื•ื›ื™ื—, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื ื™ื™ืจ ืœื”ื•ื›ื™ื—. ืืžืจืชื™: "ืชืฉืžืขื™, ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืกืคืจ ืœืš ืื™ืš ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื”ืžืคืขืœ ื”ื–ื”, ืื™ืš ืงื ื• ื•ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื“ืจื™ื. ืื ืืชื ืœื ืžืืžื™ื ื™ื, ื‘ื‘ืงืฉื”". ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืชื•ื›ื™ื—". ืจืื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืจืง ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช. ื›ืชื•ื‘ ืืฆืœื ื‘ื—ื•ื‘ืจืช, ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื•ื ื• ืฉืื™ื‘ื“ื• ืืช ื”ื›ืœ, ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื”ื ืขืฉื• ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช, ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื•ื›ื™ื— ืžืฉืคื˜ื™ืช ืฉื–ื” ืฉืœืš, ืฉื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ื›ืžื” ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ื™ื•. ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”ื: ืœื™ ืื™ืŸ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืกืข ืืจืฆื” ื‘ืœื™ ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช, ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื”, ื”ื™ื”. ืขืฉื™ื ื• ื“ืฃ ื—ื“ืฉ, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืืจืฅ, ืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ื›ืœื•ื. ื ืชืชื™ ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ื ืชืชื™ ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ืคืขื•ืœื” ืฉืœ ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ื•ื ืชืชื™ ืœื”ื ืืช ืกืคืจ ื”ื—ืฉื‘ื•ื ื•ืช ื•ืžื›ืชื‘ ืฉืื™ืžื ืฉืœื™ ื›ืชื‘ื” ื‘ื–ืžื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืขื–ืจ ื›ืœื•ื. ื”ื ื›ืชื‘ื•: "ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืขื“ื•ืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืืช ื”ืžืกืžื›ื™ื, ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืืžื™ื ื™ื ืœืื ืฉื™ื", ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื ื”ืืžื™ื ื•. ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืœื ืฉื™ื ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื”, ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื•: "ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืคื™ืฆื•ื™ ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืื™ื‘ื“ื ื•? ืžืคืขืœ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื•ื” ืžื™ืœื™ื•ื ื™ื, ืืชื ืื•ืžืจื™ื, ืฉืชื•ื›ื™ื—, ืชื•ื›ื™ื—". ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืฉืจืฃ ืืช ื”ื›ืœ, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืžืช ืœืคื ื™ ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ืฉื ื”, ืื™ื–ื” ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืืชื” ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉืื ื™ ืื‘ื™ื ืœืš"?
ืฉ: ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืžืฉืœื•ืฉืช ื”ืฉื•ืชืคื™ื, ื”ืื—ื•ืช ื•ื‘ืขืœื” ื”ื ื’ื ื ืกืคื•?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื ื›ื•ืœื ื ืกืคื•, ื›ืœ ื”ืื—ื™ื ื•ื”ืื—ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืกืคื•. ืืคื™ืœื• ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื‘ืช-ื“ื•ื“ื” ืื—ืช ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืคืจื™ื– ืžืงืจื™ืกื˜ืœ-ื ืื›ื˜...
ืฉ: ืžืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื—.
ืช: ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื•ื ื‘ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื ื•ืฉืฉ. ืื ื™ ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™ ืื™ืชื” ื‘ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ, ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื” ืคืจื ื˜, ืื ื™ ืฉืืœืชื™ ืื•ืชื”: "ืคืจื ื˜, ืืชื ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื ืคืขื ืžืฉื”ื• ืขืœ ื”ืžืคืขืœ ื”ื–ื”"? ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœื™: "ืœื". ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”: "ืื– ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื•", ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื•.
ืฉ: ื‘ื•ื ื ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืฆืจืคืช ื‘ืฉื ืช 47', ื‘ืฉื ืช 49' ืืชื” ืขืœื™ืช ืืจืฆื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ืฉืœื™ื ืืช ื”ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ื—ืกืจื•ืช ืœื™, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื. ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ื‘ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ื”ืฉื ื™ื ืฉื‘ืจื—ืชื™ ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ืฉืœื™ื ืื•ืชืŸ. ืขื–ืจื• ืœื™, ื•ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช. ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืขื ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ืขื ืื•ืชื• ืžืคืขืœ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืจื™ืง. ื”ื•ื ื ื›ื ืก ืœืžืคืขืœ, ื•ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืขืกืง ืžื—ื“ืฉ. ื”ื•ื ืงื ื” ื›ืžื” ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“. ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™, ืื ืื ื™ ืœื ื˜ื•ืขื”, ืฉื”ื—ื•ืœืฆื” ื”ื–ืืช ื ืฉืืจื” ืžืื–. ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืงืฆืช ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื ืœื‘ื“ ื‘ืœื™ ื”ืื—ื™ื. ื‘ืขืฆื ืื— ืื—ื“ ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื—ื“, ื•ืื— ืื—ืจ ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื—ืจ. ื”ืื— ื”ืฉื ื™ ืคืฉื˜ ืจื’ืœ, ืื‘ืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืœื ืคืฉื˜ ืจื’ืœ, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืขืกืงื™ื ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉ. ืื—ืจื™ ื”ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช ืื ื™ ื ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื’ื‘ื•ื” ืœืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”, ืฉื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืื™ืงื•ืœื• ื ืกื•ื ืืœ ืกื™ืคืจื™ืืจ ื“ื”-ื‘ื•ื–ืืจื˜, ื–ื” ืฉืœื•ื—ื” ืฉืœ ืคืจื™ื–, ืฉืœื•ืžื“ื™ื ืฉื ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”. ื–ื” ืœื ื›ืžื• ื‘ืืจืฅ, ืืœื ืฉื ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื” ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื ืฉื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื’ื ืžื”ื ื“ืก ื•ื’ื ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜, ื›ืœ ื”ืชืืจื™ื ื‘ื™ื—ื“. ื™ืฉ ืžืฉื ืชืขื•ื“ื” ื˜ื™ืคืœื•ื ื” ืคืืจ ืœื’ื•ื‘ืจื ืžื•, ืฉื–ืืช ื ืงืจืืช ืชืขื•ื“ื” ืžืžืฉืœืชื™ืช, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืชื•ืืจ ื’ื‘ื•ื” ืฉืœ ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”. ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื’ืžืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ืชื•ืืจ ื”ื–ื”. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื“ืจื™ืš ื‘ืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ ื“ืจื•ืจ, ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืื– ืืช ื”ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ื‘ืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช. ื”ืจื™ ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช, ืื– ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช. ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื’ื ื‘ืฆื•ืคื™ื ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘ืฆื•ืคื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื•ื’ื ืฉื ื‘ืฆื•ืคื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื“ืจื™ืš. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื“ืจื™ืš ื‘ืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ ื“ืจื•ืจ ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg) ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื•ืฉื ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ื’ื‘ืจืช. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื– ื‘ืฉื ื” ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื” ืฉืœ ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”. ื”ื™ื ืจืฆืชื” ืœืขืœื•ืช ืืจืฆื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™: "ื’ื ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขืœื•ืช ืืจืฆื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ืœื’ืžื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื™ ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืคืกื™ืง, ืชื—ื›ื™ ืขื“ ืฉืื ื™ ืื’ืžื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื". ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”: "ืœื, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ืจื—ื” ืœื ืกื•ืข ืขื›ืฉื™ื•". ืืžืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™. ืื– ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืกืข ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืขืกืง ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืœืžื›ื™ืจื•ืช ืฉืœ ืกื—ื•ืจื”. ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืื ื™ ื ืกืขืชื™ ืื™ืชื•, ืื– ื ืกืขืชื™ ืื™ืชื•, ื•ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืื•ื˜ื•: "ืื‘ื, ืื ื™ ืžืคืกื™ืง ืœืœืžื•ื“". ื”ื•ื ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื™: "ืžื” ื™ืฉ"? ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขืœื•ืช ืืจืฆื”". ื”ื•ื ื‘ืืžืช ืจืฆื” ืฉืื ื™ ืืขืœื” ืืจืฆื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืกื˜ื™ืจื”, ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืคืขื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ืฉื”ื•ื ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืกื˜ื™ืจื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืื•ื˜ื•. ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืชื” ื’ื•ืžืจ ืืช ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื!" ืื‘ืœ ื”ื’ื‘ืจืช ื ื™ืฆื—ื”. ื”ืคืกืงืชื™ ืืช ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืืจืฅ ื‘ืœื™ ื›ืœื•ื. ื”ื™ื ื ืกืขื” ืœืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื–ื›ื™ืจื” ื‘ื‘ื ืง, ื•ื”ื™ื ืœืžื“ื” ื‘ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ ื‘ืชื™ื ื•ืงื•ืช. ืื ื™ ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืฉื ื” ื‘ืคืจื™ื– ื‘ืื™ื ืกื˜ื™ื˜ื•ื˜ ืœื”ืœื—ืžื”. ืœืžื“ืชื™ ื”ืœื—ืžื” ืœืžื”ื ื“ืกื™ื, ืžื™ ืฉืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื”ื ื“ืก ืžื•ืžื—ื” ื‘ื”ืœื—ืžื•ืช ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื‘ืื™ื ืกื˜ื™ื˜ื•ื˜ ื‘ืคืจื™ื–. ืื– ืœืžื“ืชื™ ื‘ืื™ื ืกื˜ื™ื˜ื•ื˜ ืœื”ืœื—ืžื” ื‘ืคืจื™ื–, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื”ื ื“ืก, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜. ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ืืช ื–ื” ืœื ื’ืžืจืชื™, ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืฉื ื”. ื”ื™ื ื’ืžืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื’ืžืจืชื™, ื”ืชื—ืชื ื•, ื•ื ืกืขื ื• ืœืืจืฅ. ืคื” ื‘ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื, ืื ืืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื“ืขืช.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืคื” ื‘ืืจืฅ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืžืชื•ืžืฆืชืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกื’ื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืขื ืื™ื–ื• ืฉืืœื” ืื• ืฉืชื™ื™ื ื‘ื ื•ืฉื ืฉืœ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืขืœื™ืชื ืœืืจืฅ ื‘-49', ื”ืชื—ืชื ืชื ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืื™ืจื•ืคื”, ื•ื”ื’ืขืชื ืœืœื™ืžืŸ ืื• ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื›ื ืขื•ื“ ื›ืžื” ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช?
ืช: ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืงื™ืกืจื™ื”. ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš ืื—ื“ ื‘ืฉื ืขืžื•ืก ื–ื ื‘ืจื’ ืžืงื™ืกืจื™ื”. ื”ืจื™ ืฉืœื—ื• ืžื”ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฆื™ื ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืฆืจืคืช ืœื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืขืจื™ื ื‘ืฆืจืคืช, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื”ืขื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื ื•ืขืจ ื’ื ืืจืฆื”. ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš ื›ื–ื” ืขืžื•ืก ื–ื ื‘ืจื’ ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ืฉื˜ืจืกื‘ื•ืจื’ (Strasbourg). ืขืžื•ืก ื”ื–ื” ื”ืฉืคื™ืข ืขืœื™ื ื• ืœื‘ื•ื ืœืงื™ืกืจื™ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื™ืกืจื™ื”. ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื ื”ืœ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืจืฆืคื™ื”, ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืžืจืฆืคื™ื” ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื ื”ืœ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืจืฆืคื™ื” ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื. ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ื”ื•ื ื’ื ื ืคื˜ืจ. ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™ ืœื‘ื•ื ืœืงื™ืกืจื™ื”. ื”ื’ืขื ื• ื‘ืกื•ืฃ 49' ืœืงื™ืกืจื™ื”. ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื ืœืคื ื™, ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืขื ืื•ื˜ื•, ืื‘ื ื ืชืŸ ืœื• ืื•ื˜ื•. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืืช ื–ื”? ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื–ื” ืฉื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ืžื”ื ืžืœ ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืขื ื”ืื•ื ื™ื” 'ื ื’ื‘ื”', ืื ื™ ื•ื”ื’ื‘ืจืช, ื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืขื ื”ืื•ื˜ื• ืฉืœื• ืžื”ื ืžืœ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืงื™ืกืจื™ื”, ื›ื™ ืจืฆื™ื ื™ ืœืขืœื•ืช ืœืงื™ืกืจื™ื”. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื‘ืงื™ืกืจื™ื” ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉื ื” ื•ื—ืฆื™. ืื ื–ื” ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชืš ืื ื™ ืืกืคืจ ืœืš, ื‘ืงื™ืกืจื™ื”...
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ืจืžื” ืฉืœ ืชื—ื ื•ืช. ื”ื’ืขืชื ืœืืจืฅ ื‘-49', ื”ืชื’ื•ืจืจืชื ื‘ืงื™ืกืจื™ื” ืื• ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื?
ืช: ื”ืชื’ื•ืจืจื ื• ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื, ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ืงื™ืกืจื™ื”, ืงื™ืกืจื™ื” ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ...
ืฉ: ืื– ื”ืชื’ื•ืจืจืชื ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ืชื’ื•ืจืจื ื• ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื, ืฉื–ื” ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ.
ืฉ: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื ื–ื” ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ. ืืชื” ืื•ืžื ื ืื•ืžืจ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืงื™ืกืจื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืืชื” ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืœืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื. ื—ื™ื™ืชื ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื, ื•ืื– ืœืืŸ ืขื‘ืจืชื ืžืฉื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืืกืคืจ ืœืš ื›ืžื” ืžื™ืœื™ื ืขืœ ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื. ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืงื•ืช, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžืงืฆื•ืข ืฉืœื”. ื”ื™ื ืœืžื“ื” ื‘ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ ื‘ืชื™ื ื•ืงื•ืช, ื”ื™ื ืขื‘ื“ื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืงื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื•ืžื—ื” ืœื”ืœื—ืžื”, ืฉืœืžื“ืชื™ ื‘ืคืจื™ื–. ื‘ืงื™ืกืจื™ื” ื™ืฉ ืฉื ื–ื™ืคื–ื™ืฃ, ื•ื”ื ืขื‘ื“ื• ืขื ื‘ื•ืœื“ื•ื–ืจื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื–ื™ืคื–ื™ืฃ ืžื”ื™ื. ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื ืชืžื™ื“ ืจืื™ืชื™ ื‘ื•ืœื“ื•ื–ืจ ืขื•ืžื“ ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื”ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื”. ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื” ืžื™ื›ืืœื™, ืื– ืฉืืœืชื™ ืื•ืชื•: "ืœืžื” ื”ื‘ื•ืœื“ื•ื–ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืขื•ืžื“ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื”ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื”"? ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ื›ืฉืื•ืกืคื™ื ื–ื™ืคื–ื™ืฃ ื‘ื™ื, ื”ืœืื’ืจื™ื ืžืฉืชืคืฉืคื™ื, ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืคืจืงื™ื ืื•ืชื, ื•ืฉื•ืœื—ื™ื ืื•ืชื ืœืชืœ-ืื‘ื™ื‘. ื™ืฉ ืฉื ืžื•ืžื—ื” ืื—ื“ ืฉื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืชืงืŸ ืืช ื–ื”. ื”ื•ื ืžืžืœื ืืช ื–ื”, ื—ื•ืจื˜ ืืช ื–ื”, ื–ืืช ืคืœื“ื”, ื–ื” ืžื™ื•ื—ื“". ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื–ื” ืืชื ืžื—ื›ื™ื, ื”ื˜ืจืงื˜ื•ืจ ืขื•ืžื“ ื›ืœ ืคืขื ืฉื‘ื•ืขื™ื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื—ื›ื•ืช ืœื—ืœืงื™ื, ืฉื‘ืื™ื ืžื”ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ"? ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ื›ืŸ". ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ื”ืขืจื‘ ืืชื” ื ื•ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืืช ื”ื—ืœืงื™ื". ื”ื•ื ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืืช ื”ื—ืœืงื™ื, ืื ื™ ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื”ืœื™ืœื”. ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ืžื” ืฉืขืฉื• ื‘ืชืœ-ืื‘ื™ื‘, ืžื™ืœืืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ืจื™ืชื•ืš ืคืœื“ื”, ื•ื”ืฉื—ื–ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”. ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ ื”ื ื‘ืื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืื– ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืงื— ืืช ื–ื”, ืชืจื›ื™ื‘". ื”ื ืคืชื—ื• ืืช ื”ืขื™ื ื™ื™ื ื•ืฉืืœื• ืื•ืชื™: "ืื™ืš ืขืฉื™ืช ืืช ื–ื”"? ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: ืืœ ืชืฉืืœ, ืงื— ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืชืจื›ื™ื‘". ืžืื– ื”ื˜ืจืงื˜ื•ืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืขืžื“ ืืฃ ืคืขื ืขืœ-ื™ื“ ื”ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื”. ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืžื” ืงืจื”? ืื ื™ ื”ืจื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืชืจื‘ื•ืชื ื™ืง, ื ื™ื’ื ืชื™ ืขืœ ืคืกื ืชืจ, ื•ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ื’ื ืœืฆื™ื™ืจ. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืืกืคืจ ืœืš ืืช ื›ืœ ื–ื”? ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš ืžื“ื•ืข ืขื–ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื”ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ. ื”ืจื™ ืœืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืกืคื ื”, ืฉืฉื ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืกื™ืจื•ืช. ื‘ืžืกืคื ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืชืžื™ื“ ืขืฉื• ืืช ืœื™ืœ ื”ืกื“ืจ, ื›ื™ ื‘ืžืกืคื ื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื•ืœื ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืžืขืฅ. ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืฉื ืฆื™ื™ืจ ืืžืจื™ืงืื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืื‘ื ืฉืœ ื–ื•ื’ ืืžืจื™ืงืื™, ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ, ื•ื”ื•ื ืชืžื™ื“ ืขืฉื” ืฆื™ื•ืจื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ื—ื’ื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ื“ืขื•, ืฉืื ื™ ืœืžื“ืชื™ ืคืขื ืืจื›ื™ื˜ืงื˜ื•ืจื”, ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืฆื™ื™ืจ, ืื– ืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ืชืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื•". ืฉื ื” ืื—ืช ืขื–ืจืชื™ ืœื•, ื•ื‘ืฉื ื” ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื” ืคืชืื•ื ื”ื•ื ื—ืœื”. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฆื™ื™ืจ ืขื ื›ื•ื‘ืข ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื•ืขื ื–ืงืŸ. ืืฉืชื™ ืขื‘ื“ื” ืื– ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืงื•ืช, ื•ื ื•ืœื“ ืœื ื• ืฉื ื‘ืŸ. ื”ื‘ืŸ ื”ื‘ื›ื•ืจ ืฉืœื ื•, ื™ื•ื‘ืœ, ื ื•ืœื“ ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ, ื•ืฉื ื”ื™ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืžื—ืœื•ืช, ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ื ื”ืžื—ืœื” ืฉืœ ืฉื™ืชื•ืง ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื’ื ืฉื™ืชื•ืง ื™ืœื“ื™ื. ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืžื—ืœื•ืช, ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื—ื•ื ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ื•ืฉื‘ืข ื—ืžืฉ, ื—ื•ื ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ื•ืฉืžื•ื ื”. ืืžืจื• ืœื ื•, ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืœื›ืช ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื—ื•ืœื™ื ื‘ืจืžื‘"ื ื‘ื—ื™ืคื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื‘ื“ื™ืงื•ืช, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื›ืœ ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืœื›ืช. ืื– ืžื™ ื”ืœืš? ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ื™ื•ื‘ืœ, ื›ื™ ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื›ืื™ืœื• ื—ื“ืฉื™ื, ืฉื ื” ืื—ืช ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกืคื™ืง, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ื—ืฉื‘ื™ื ื—ื“ืฉื™ื. ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื•ื•ืชื™ืงื™ื, ื›ื™ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉ ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ. ืื– ืฉืœื—ื• ืืช ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื™. ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ืืฉืชื™ ื”ืœื›ื” ืœื‘ื™ืช-ื”ื—ื•ืœื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื‘ืงืจ ืฉื ืืช ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืœื ืขืงื™ืฆื•ืช ืฉืœ ื™ืชื•ืฉื™ื. ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”: "ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืฉืื™ืจื” ืฉื ืืช ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื™". ื”ื™ื ืœืงื—ื” ืืช ื”ื‘ืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ. ื‘ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ ืืžืจื• ืœื”: "ืžื™ ื ืชืŸ ืœืš ืืช ื”ื–ื›ื•ืช ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื‘ืŸ". ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”: "ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื ื—ื•ืœื”. ื™ืฉ ืœื• ืžืœื ืขืงื™ืฆื•ืช ืžืœืžืขืœื” ืขื“ ืœืžื˜ื”, ืœืžื” ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืกื‘ื•ืœ"? ืขืฉื• ืœื” ืžืฉืคื˜ ื—ื‘ืจื™ื, ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื” ืืช ื”ื‘ืŸ ืžื‘ื™ืช-ื—ื•ืœื™ื. ืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื™ื ื™ื™ื ืœื ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคืจื•ื˜ื–ื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืื– ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืฉื™ื ื™ื™ื ืœื ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช. ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื‘ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื ืจื•ืคื ืฉื™ื ื™ื™ื ืœืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ, ืื– ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืจื•ืคื ืฉื™ื ื™ื™ื. ืœืžื” ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืœืš ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื–ื”? ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื—ืก ื”ื–ื” ื›ื–ื”, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื ื™ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฆื ื™ืงื™ื ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™ื ื‘ืฉื“ื•ืช ื™ื. ืืžืจืชื™: "ื”ืื ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืœื™ืžื“ืชื™ ื‘ืฆืจืคืช ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื“ืจื™ืš ื‘ืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ ืขืœ ื”ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฆื™ื? ื”ืื ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืœื™ืžื“ื• ืื•ืชื™? ื–ื” ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื”ืคื•ืš, ื”ื›ืœ ื”ืคื•ืš". ืขื–ื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ, ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืคื”, ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืืช ืžื•ืฉื‘ ืœื™ืžืŸ, ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ืื– ืฆื”"ืœ. ืžื” ื–ื” ืฆื”"ืœ? ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ืžื—"ืœ, ืžื—"ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืฉื—ืจื•ืจ, ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืžืชื ื“ื‘ื™ ื—ื•ืฅ-ืœืืจืฅ. ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืฉืœ ืื— ืฉืœื™, ืฉื”ื ื‘ืื• ืœืคื”. ืื ื™ ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื•. ืื‘ืœ ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื, ื•ืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœื• ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืฉืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ื‘ืžืกื’ืจื™ื™ื” ื•ื‘ื™ื•ื ืขื‘ื“ืชื™...
ืฉ: ื”ื’ืขืชื ืœืืจืฅ, ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืชืžืงืžืชื ืคื” ื‘ืœื™ืžืŸ, ื‘ื ื™ืชื ืคื” ื‘ื™ืช. ื”ื™ื” ืœื›ื ืคื” ืžืฉืง ื—ืงืœืื™?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืคื” ืžืฉืง ื—ืงืœืื™.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืฉื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื‘ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ื ื•ืกืคื™ื.
ืช: ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื ื”ืœ ื›ื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื”?
ืช: ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืคื” ื‘ืœื™ืžืŸ ื—ื™ื™ื ืงืฉื™ื ืžืื•ื“. ื”ืžืฉืง ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืœ ื”ื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืฉื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ื™ืฉ ืžืฉืงื™ื ืžืฆื“ ื–ื”, ืฉื”ืื“ืžื” ืฉื—ื•ืจื”, ื•ื™ืฉ ืžืฉืงื™ื ืžื•ืœ ื”ื™ื ืขื ื—ื•ืœ. ื’ื ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ืฉื, ื‘ื ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื‘ื™ืช ื’ื“ื•ืœ. ื”ืื“ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื•ืœื™ืช ื•ื—ื•ืœื”, ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื’ื™ื“ืœื ื• ืœื ื”ืœืš, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื• ืžื—ืœื•ืช ื‘ืื“ืžื”. ืืช ื–ื” ื”ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื ืืžืจื• ืœื ื•, ื”ื ืจืง ืืžืจื• ืœื ื•, ืื™ืš ืขื•ืฉื™ื ื’ื–ืจ, ืื™ืš ืขื•ืฉื™ื ื™ืจืงื•ืช. ืฉืœื—ื• ืžื”ืกื•ื›ื ื•ืช ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื“ืจื™ืš, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื‘ื“ืงื• ืืช ื”ืื“ืžื”.
ืฉ: ืืžืจืช ืœื™, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื ื”ืœ ื›ื•ืจ, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืœื›ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ?
ืช: ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื•ื•ืœืงืŸ ืื—ืจื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืคื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื‘ื•ืฅ, ื›ืœ ื”ื›ืกืฃ ื”ืœืš ืœื ื• ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื ื™ืกื™ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ื—ืงืœืื™ื™ื ื”ืœื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื•ื›ืจื— ืœื—ืคืฉ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”. ื”ื™ื•ืช ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืžืงืฆื•ืข, ืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ืชืœืš ืœื•ื•ืœืงืŸ ื”ื ื“ืกื”". ื™ืฉ ื•ื•ืœืงืŸ ื”ื ื“ืกื” ื•ื™ืฉ ื•ื•ืœืงืŸ ื™ืฆื™ืงื”, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืžืคืขืœื™ ื”ื ื“ืกื” ื•ื•ืœืงืŸ, ืฉืœืžื ื”ืœ ืงืจื ืฆืžื—ื™. ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืฆืžื—ื™ ื•ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืชืฉืžืข, ืื ื™ ื–ื” ื•ื–ื”, ืœืžื“ืชื™ ื–ื” ื•ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”". ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ืœื• ืชืขื•ื“ื•ืช. ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื ื™ ืืชืŸ ืœืš ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืžื ื”ืœ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืคืขืœื™ ื”ื ื“ืกื” ื•ื•ืœืงืŸ, ืชืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“". ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื™ื™ื ื”ื•ื ืงืจื ืœื™, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืชื” ืžื”, ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื›ื™ืจ ืื•ืชืš. ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืคืขืœ ื—ื“ืฉ ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื” โ€“ ื•ื•ืœืงืŸ ื”ื ื“ืกื” ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื”, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉืืชื” ืชืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”". ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืชืฉืžืข, ืื ื™ ืคื” ื‘ืžืฉืง, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืคื” ืžืฉืง, ื•ืงืฉื” ืœื™ ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื”. ืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ืŸ ืœื ืกื•ืข, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ืŸ ืœืจืื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืืชืŸ ืœืš ืชืฉื•ื‘ ื‘ืขื•ื“ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื".
ืฉ: ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืขื‘ืจืช ืœืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืœืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื”, ื•ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ืžืคืขืœ.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื ื—ื™ื™ืชื ืฉื ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื”?
ืช: ื—ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉื•ื ื” ืฉืฉ-ืขืฉืจื” ืฉื ื”. ื”ืžืฉืง ื”ื™ื”, ืกื’ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ืžืฉืง, ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœื’ื•ืจ ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื”, ื•ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื ื”ืœ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืคืขืœ, ืื‘ืœ ืœืžืขืฉื” ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ืืช ื”ืžืคืขืœ. ื–ื” ืžืคืขืœ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื›ืฉืขื–ื‘ืชื™ ืืช ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื” ื”ื™ื• ืฉื‘ืขื™ื ื•ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ืคื•ืขืœื™ื ื‘ืžืคืขืœ. ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืฉื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ื”ืžืคืขืœ?
ืช: ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืžืคืขืœื™ ื”ื ื“ืกื” ื•ื•ืœืงืŸ, ื•ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ื’ื™ืš ืžืจืžื™ืœ, ืžืจืžื™ืœ ื’ื™ื›ืœืš. ืขืฉื• ืฉื ืชื™ื‘ื•ืช ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืฆื‘ื. ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืฉื ืงื•ื ืกื˜ืจื•ืงืฆื™ื•ืช, ื‘ืชื™ื ืœื˜ื ืงื™ื ื•...
ืฉ: ืืชื” ืขื‘ื“ืช ืฉื ืขื“ ืฉื™ืฆืืช ืœืคื ืกื™ื”?
ืช: ืœื. ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืงื‘ืœืŸ, ืœื ืจืง ื‘ืžืคืขืœ. ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืืฉืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื ื”ืœ ืฉื™ืจื•ืชื™ ืจื•ื•ื—ื”. ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื’ื ืžื ื”ืœ ืงื‘ื•ืฆืช ื”ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ืงื•ื“ื ืฉื—ืงืŸ, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื•ืขืจ. ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”, ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื ืฆื™ื’ ื” ื”ืกืชื“ืจื•ืช ื‘ืชืœ-ืื‘ื™ื‘ ืฉืœ ื”ืฆืคื•ืŸ, ื•ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื”ืœืช ื”ื”ืชืื—ื“ื•ืช ืœื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœ. ื›ืœ ื”ืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื‘ืื• ืžื”ืคืขื•ืœื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืฆืคื•ืŸ. ื›ื ืจืื”, ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื”ื›ื™ืจ ืื•ืชื™, ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืชืคืงื™ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžืชื™ ื—ื–ืจืช ืœืœื™ืžืŸ?
ืช: ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœืœื™ืžืŸ ื‘-76'.
ืฉ: ื•ืžืื– ืืชื” ืคื”?
ืช: ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœืœื™ืžืŸ ื‘-76', ื•ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ ืžืฉืคื˜, ื›ื™ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื™ ืื•ืžื ื ื ืฉืืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืœื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืื“ืžื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืื“ืžื•ืช ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”. ื ื™ื”ืœืชื™ ืžืฉืคื˜, ื‘ืงื™ืฆื•ืจ, ืืœื” ื”ื ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืืจืฅ.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื•ื›ืžื” ื ื›ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืขืฉืจื” ื ื›ื“ื™ื, ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืขื•ื“ ืžืขื˜ ืืจื‘ืขื” ื ื™ื ื™ื, ื•ื›ื•ืœื ืขื ืชื•ืืจ ืฉื ื™.
ืฉ: ืฉื‘ื˜.
ืช: ืœื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืขืกืงื™ื. ื”ื‘ืช ืฉืœื™ ืžื ื”ืœืช ืžืฉืจื“ ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ ื”ืžืกื—ืจ ื•ื”ืชืขืฉื™ื™ื”, ื”ื™ื ืžื ื”ืœืช ื›ื•ื— ืื“ื ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืืจืฅ. ื”ื‘ืช ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ืช ื—ื™ื ื•ื›ื™ืช, ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืžืฉืง ื‘ื‘ื™ืช-ื”ืœืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื’ื ืคืกื™ื›ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ืช ื—ื™ื ื•ื›ื™ืช, ื™ืฉ ืœื” ืงืœื™ื ื™ืงื” ืคืจื˜ื™ืช ื‘ื‘ื™ืช.
ืฉ: ืืžืจืช ืœื™ ืฉืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจืช ืืฃ ืคืขื ืขื ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืืžืจืช: "ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืกื™ืคืจื ื• ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื ืžื” ืขื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื ื• ื‘ืชืงื•ืคืช ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”".
ืช: ืœื, ืœื ืกื™ืคืจื ื• ืœื”ื.
ืฉ: ืœืžื” ื‘ืขืฆื?
ืช: ื›ื™ ื–ื” ืœื ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ. ืื ื™ ืžืกืชื›ืœ ืชืžื™ื“ ืขืœ ื”ืขืชื™ื“ ื•ืœื ืขืœ ื”ืขื‘ืจ.
ืฉ: ืื ื–ื” ืœื ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ืœืžื”, ื‘ืขืฆื, ืืชื” ืžื•ืกืจ ืืช ื”ืขื“ื•ืช ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?
ืช: ื›ื™ ืœื—ืฆื• ืขืœื™. ืื— ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจ ืœื™, ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข. ื’ื ื”ื•ื ืœื ืจืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ, ื”ื•ื ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืกื™ืคืจ. ืื‘ืœ ืœื—ืฆื• ืขืœื™ื• ืœืกืคืจ, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื•ื ื‘ืŸ ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื ื•ืฉืœื•ืฉ, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืžืขื˜ ืœื ื ื”ื™ื” ืคื”. ืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืžื—ืœื” ืงืฉื”, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžื—ืœืช ืœื‘ ืงืฉื”, ืฉื–ื” ื‘ื ืžื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื, ืœื ืจืง ืฉืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืืœื ื’ื ื‘ืืจืฅ. ืชืืžื™ื ื™ ืœื™, ืฉื‘ืืจืฅ ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ืงืฉื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืฉืจ ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœืš ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉืืชื” ืžื•ืกืจ ื”ื™ื•ื ืขื“ื•ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ืžื•ืกืจ ื”ื™ื•ื ืขื“ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื”ื ื”ื’ื™ื‘ื•? ืžื” ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœืš?
ืช: ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืืขืฉื”. ื”ื ืœื—ืฆื• ืขืœ ืืฉืชื™, ื”ื™ื ืœื ืจืฆืชื” ืœืชืช ืขื“ื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื—ืฆื• ืขืœื™ื”. ืืชืžื•ืœ ื”ื‘ืช ืฉืœื™ ืฆืœืฆืœื” ืืœื™ื” ื•ืืžืจื” ืœื”: "ืœืžื”, ืืช ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืชืช ืขื“ื•ืช". ื“ื•ื•ืงื ื”ืขื“ื•ืช ืฉืœื” ื”ื™ื ื’ื ืžืขื ื™ื™ื ืช, ื”ื™ื ื™ื•ืฆืืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืช ืจื•ืฆื”, ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ืช ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ืฉื ื™ื, ืฉื™ืฉ ื‘ื–ื” ื’ื ืฆื“ ื—ื™ื•ื‘ื™ ืœืกืคืจ ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืœื ื™ืงืจื• ืฉื•ื‘. ื”ืจื™ ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื” ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš, ื•ื”ื ื” ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืกื™ืคืจืช ืœื”ื. ืžื” ื”ืชืฉื•ื‘ื” ืฉืืชื” ื ื•ืชืŸ ืœืขืฆืžืš, ืฉื”ืจื™ ืื ื™ ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ืžืขืจื™ืš ืืช ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืื ื™ ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื’ืื” ื‘ื•"...
ืช: ืœื ืจืง ื–ื”, ืชื’ื™ื“ื™ ืœื™ ืืช ืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื ื—ื–ืŸ, ื’ื ื›ื“ื•ืจื’ืœืŸ ื•ื’ื ืžื ื”ืœ ืžืคืขืœ, ื”ืื ื™ืฉ ืขื•ื“ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”?
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช.
ืช: ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื™ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœืš ืฆื•ืจืš ืœืกืคืจ ืืช ื–ื” ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื—ืœืง ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ืกื™ืคืจืชื™.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื ืฉืžืข ืœื™ ืžืื•ื›ื–ื‘, ื–ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ? ืืชื” ืงืฆืช ืžืื•ื›ื–ื‘?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื›ื–ื‘ ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื—ืฉื•ื‘. ืชืืžื™ื ื™ ืœื™, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืื•ื›ื–ื‘ ืžืžื” ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื™ ื‘ืืจืฅ, ืžืืฉืจ ืžืžื” ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื™ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ-ืœืืจืฅ. ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ืœืš ืคื”, ืื– ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื›ื–ื‘. ื›ื™ ืœื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื–ื” ื‘ืืชื™ ืœืืจืฅ, ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืืจืฅ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืฉื™ืงืœืงืœื• ืื•ืชื”. ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ืชื™, ื”ื ื”ื™ื•ื ืžืงืœืงืœื™ื, ื–ื” ื”ื›ืœ. ืื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ืชื™. ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืงื‘ืœืŸ, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืืจืฅ. ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืจืคืชื•ืช, ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืชื™ ืฆืžื™ื—ื”, ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืงื•ื ืกื˜ืจื•ืงืฆื™ื•ืช ืœืฆื‘ื. ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื ื” ืื—ืช ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืงื•ื ืกื˜ืจื•ืงืฆื™ื•ืช ืœื˜ื ืงื™ื ื•ืœืžืฉืื™ื•ืช. ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื˜ื ืงื™ื ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ื‘ืกื›ื›ื” ืื—ืช. ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ืžืฉืื™ื•ืช ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ื‘ืกื›ื›ื” ืื—ืช, ื•ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฉื ื” ืื—ืช ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืกื›ื›ื•ืช ื›ืืœื”. ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื” ื–ื” ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืกื›ื›ื•ืช, ืฉื‘ื›ืœ ืกื›ื›ื” ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ืืจื‘ืขื™ื, ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ื˜ื ืงื™ื?
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืžืชืืจืช ืœืขืฆืžื™ ืฉื–ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืื•ื“, ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืคืฉืจื™.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™, ื•ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืงื•ื•ื™ ืžื™ื. ืืช ืงื• ื”ืžื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืื—ืจื™ ืžืœื—ืžืช ืฉืฉืช ื”ื™ืžื™ื ืžืงื™ื‘ื•ืฅ ื“ืŸ ืœืžื—ื ื•ืช ื‘ื’ื•ืœืŸ, ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื•.
ืฉ: ืžืžื” ืืชื” ืžืื•ื›ื–ื‘, ืžื–ื” ืฉื”ืืจืฅ ืžืฉืชื ื”, ืฉื”ืื•ื›ืœื•ืกื™ื™ื” ืžืฉืชื ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื›ื–ื‘ ืžืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืจืง ืœืงื‘ืœ ื•ืœื ืœืชืช. ืคื” ื‘ืืจืฅ ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืจืง ืœืงื‘ืœ ื•ืœื ืœืชืช. ืืฉืชื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช ืื•ืชื™ ืœืคืขืžื™ื: "ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืœื ืขื•ืฉื” ื‘ืงืฉื” ื›ื–ืืช? ื•ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืœื ืขื•ืฉื” ื‘ืงืฉื” ื›ื–ืืช? ื”ื™ื•ื ืืชื” ืœื ืขื•ื‘ื“, ืืชื” ื—ื™ ืžื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื— ืœืื•ืžื™, ืืชื” ื—ื•ืœื”". ืื ื™ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื ื›ื” ืžืื” ืื—ื•ื–, ื•ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืœื™ ื“ืžื™ ืื‘ื˜ื—ืช ื”ื›ื ืกื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื‘ืงืฉ. ืืžืจืชื™, ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžืกืคื™ืง ืžื” ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ืื– ืื ื™ ืœื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื‘ืงืฉ. ืืฉืชื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช ืื•ืชื™: "ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืœื ื”ื•ืœืš ืœื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื— ืœืื•ืžื™ ืœื‘ืงืฉ"? ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ื”ื›ื ืกื”, ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื”ื™ื•ื... . ื”ืจื™ ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืฉืง, ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืฉืจ ืฉื ื™ื ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืžืฉืง, ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืกื•ื’ืœ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“. ืžื” ืฉืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ืฉื”ืคื•ืขืœื™ื ื”ืขืจื‘ื™ื, ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืคื•ืขืœ ืื• ืฉื ื™ื™ื ืขืจื‘ื™ื, ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ืฉื”ื ื’ื ื‘ื™ื ื‘ื ื™ ื’ื ื‘ื™ื. ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื ื ื™ืชื•ื—ื™ื ืงืฉื™ื, ืขืฉื• ืœื™ ื”ื—ืœืคืช ืคืจืง ื”ื™ืจืš, ื•ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืฉื ื” ืขืฉื• ืœื™ ืืจื‘ืขื” ืžืขืงืคื™ื ื‘ืœื‘. ื”ืคื•ืขืœ ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืืช ื”ืคืจื“ืกื™ื ื•ืืช ื”ื‘ื ื ื•ืช. ืžื” ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”? ื ืชืชื™ ืœื• ืื•ื˜ื• ืจื ื• 4, ืงื ื™ืชื™ ืœื•, ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœื”ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื• ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืจ ืื•ืชื•. ืงื ื™ืชื™ ืœื• ืื•ื˜ื• ืจื ื• 4 ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื‘ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”. ืžื” ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”? ื”ื•ื ืžื™ืœื ืืช ื”ืื•ื˜ื• ืขื ืชืคื•ื–ื™ื ื•ื‘ื ื ื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœืžื›ื•ืจ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืคืจ ืฉืœื•. ืคื” ื‘ืคื™ื ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืกื›ื ื™ืง, ืฉื”ื™ื• ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื• ื“ื•ื“. ืœืคื•ืขืœ ื”ื–ื” ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืื“ื™ื‘, ืื– ืฉืืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ืžื•ืกื›ื ื™ืง: "ื›ืฉืื“ื™ื‘ ื ืกืข ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื”ืื•ื˜ื• ื”ื™ื” ืœืžื˜ื” ืื• ืœืžืขืœื”"? ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ื”ืื•ื˜ื• ื”ื™ื” ืœืžื˜ื”". ืืžืจืชื™: "ื˜ื•ื‘"? ืืœื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื”, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขื›ืœ, ืืช ืžื‘ื™ื ื”? ื•ืœื ืจืง ื–ื” ืืœื ื™ืฉ ืขื•ื“ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ื™ืฉ ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื” ืœืกืคืจ. ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื” ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื‘ืืจ, ืžืืฉืจ ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ-ืœืืจืฅ, ืžืคื” ื”ืชืื›ื–ื‘ืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ.
ืฉ: ืฉืืœื” ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืืฉืืœ ืื•ืชืš ื›ื›ื”, ืฉื‘ืืžืช ืขื•ืกืงืช ื‘ื ื•ืฉื ืฉืœืฉืžื• ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืฉื”ืจืื™ืช ืœื™ ืขืœ ื”ืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ, ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื ืื•ืชื ื˜ื™ื™ื, ืฉื›ื›ื” ื”ื™ื• ืกื’ื•ืจื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉื™ืฉื™ื, ืฉื‘ืขื™ื ืฉื ื”.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื ื›ื•ืŸ.
ืฉ: ื•ืื ื™ ืžืชืจืฉืžืช, ืฉืœืคื—ื•ืช ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื, ืœื ืขื™ืจื‘ืช ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœืš ื‘ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื”. ืžื” ื—ืฉื‘ืช ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ืฉืคืข ืฉืœ ื”ืžืกืžื›ื™ื ื•ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื™ ื’ื ืฉืจืคืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ืื ื™ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืขืกื•ืง, ืืžืจืชื™ ื’ื ืœืืฉืชื™, ืฉื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื ื”ื™ื”, ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืœื ื™ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื—ืคืฉ ื‘ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืžื” ื–ื” ื•ืžื” ื–ื” ืคื”, ืื– ื ืฉืจื•ืฃ. ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืจืฃ ื‘ืžืฉืš ื™ืžื™ื ืฉืœืžื™ื ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช, ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืœื ื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื‘ืœื’ืŸ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื ื”ื™ื”. ืื ื™ ื‘ืŸ ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื ื•ืฉืชื™ื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื ื—ื•ืœื”. ืืฉืชื™ ื”ื™ื ื‘ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื ื•ืื—ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ื’ื ืœื ื›ืœ-ื›ืš ื‘ืจื™ืื”. ื›ืžื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืœื—ื™ื•ืช, ืขื•ื“ ืฉื ื”, ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื? ืื– ืื ื—ื ื•, ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”, ืฉื’ื ื‘ืืจื•ื ื•ืช, ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื ื™ืฉื ื™ื ืœื–ืจื•ืง, ืœืฉืจื•ืฃ. ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืžื”, ืœืžื” ื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืืช ื–ื”? ื‘ื–ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืขืกื•ืงื™ื ื”ื™ื•ื. ืชืจืื™, ื”ื‘ืช ืฉืœื™ ื›ืชื‘ื” ืžื›ืชื‘, ืื ื™ ืืจืื” ืœืš ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘. ื”ื™ื ืœื ืืžืจื” ืœื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื”ื™ื ื ืชื ื” ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘.
ืฉ: ืขื•ื“ ืžืขื˜ ืืชื” ืชืจืื” ืœื™ ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘. ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืชืงืจื‘ื™ื ืœืกื™ื•ื ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืฆืœื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื—ืœืง ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืจืื™ืชื™. ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืชืงืจื‘ื™ื ืœืกื™ื•ื. ื‘ื•ื ืชืชืจื›ื– ืจื’ืข ื‘ืืžืช ื‘ืขื“ื•ืช ืฉืœืš, ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉื—ื™ื™ืช, ื‘ืคืจืงื™ื ื”ืžืื•ื“ ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœืš, ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ืžืื•ื“ ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ืช ืฉื’ื“ืœืช ื•ื ื•ืœื“ืช ืœืชื•ื›ื”. ืžื”ื™ ื”ืžื•ืจืฉืช ืฉืœืš? ืžื”ื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉืงืจื” ืœืš ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ืฉืžืœื•ื•ื” ืื•ืชืš ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื, ื•ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืš ืฉื™ื“ืขื• ืื•ืชื•?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื ื™ ื”ืฉืชื“ืœืชื™ ืœื—ื ืš ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื›ืžื• ืฉื—ื™ื ื›ื• ืื•ืชื™. ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืœืฉืœื•ืฉืชื ื™ืฉ ืชื•ืืจ ืฉื ื™, ื–ื” ืœื ื‘ื ื—ื™ื ื. ืขื‘ื“ื ื• ืฉื ื™ื ื• ืžืกืคื™ืง ืงืฉื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ื ืš ืื•ืชื, ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืžืœื’ื•ืช, ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. ืื ื™ ืืกืคืจ ืœืš, ืฉืคืขื ืื—ืช, ืื ื™ ื›ืืŸ ื‘ื ื”ืจื™ื” ืขื•ื“...
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืžื‘ืงืฉืช ืฉืชื–ื›ื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื‘ืงืฉื” ืฉืœื™, ืœื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืก ืœืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืื•ื“ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืš, ืฉื”ื•ื ื—ืœืง ืžื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœืš.
ืช: ื”ื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ืฉืžื” ืฉืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืขื ืฉืชื™ ื™ื“ื™ื™ื, ื•ืœื ืœื‘ืงืฉ ื ื“ื‘ื•ืช. ืœื‘ื ื•ืช, ื•ืœื ืœื”ืจื•ืก, ื•ืœื ืœื‘ืงืฉ ืืœื ืœืชืช. ื–ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ืฉืงื•ืจื” ืืฆืœื™ ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื”. ืœื›ืŸ ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืคื” ื‘ืืจืฅ ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืจืง ืœืงื—ืช, ื”ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื: "ืื ื™ ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”". ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืœื”ื: "ืžื” ื–ื” ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™? ืชื™ืชืŸ, ืื– ืชืงื‘ืœ. ืžื” ื ืชืช". ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืื ื™ ื ืชืชื™, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืฆื‘ื". ืžื” ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืฉืื ื™ ื ืชืชื™? ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื‘ืฆื‘ื, ืื ื™ ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื•ืช, ื’ื ืืช ื”ืžืœื—ืžื•ืช ืคื” ืื ื™ ืขื‘ืจืชื™. ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ืฉืฉืช ื”ื™ืžื™ื ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืช ืฉืžื•ื ื”. ืื ื™ ื’ื•ื™ืกืชื™, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืจืืฉ ืคื™ื ื” ืื—ืจืื™ ืขืœ ื’ื™ื•ืก ื”ืจื›ื‘ ืœืฆื‘ื. ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืื•ื”ืœ ื‘ืคื™ื ื” ืฉืœ ืจืืฉ ืคื™ื ื”, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื ื›ื ืกื™ื ืœืžืขืœื” ืœืฆืคืช, ื•ืื—ืจ-ื›ืš ืžืžืฉื™ื›ื™ื ืœื˜ื‘ืจื™ื”. ืฉื ื‘ืคื™ื ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื” ื”ืื•ื”ืœ ืฉืœื™, ื•ื›ืœ ืคืขื ื›ืฉื‘ื ืื™ื–ื” ืื•ื˜ื• ืžื’ื•ื™ืก, ืจื›ื‘ ืื• ืžืฉืื™ืช, ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช, ืจืฉืžืชื™, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืืจื’ื–ื™ื ืขื ื”ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืจื›ื‘. ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื’ื ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืง ืงื•ื ื™ืืง ืžืชื—ืช ืœืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ โ€“ ืœืžื”? ื›ื™ ื›ืœ ืคืขื ื›ืฉืฉืœื—ืชื™ ืจื›ื‘ ืœืงื•, ืื– ื”ืงื• ื”ื™ื” ืœืžื˜ื” ื‘ื™ืจื“ืŸ, ื›ื™ ืจืžืช ื”ื’ื•ืœืŸ ื”ืจื™ ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉืœื ื•. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืœื—ื™ื™ืœื™ื: "ืงื— ืืช ื”ืื•ื˜ื• ื”ื–ื”, ืงื— ืืช ื”ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช, ืชื™ืกืข, ื•ืชื‘ื™ื ืชื—ืžื•ืฉืช ืœืžื˜ื”". ื›ืฉืจืื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ื ื”ื’ ื—ื•ื–ืจ ืขื ืคื ื™ื ื›ืืœื” ื•ื‘ืœื™ ืื•ื˜ื•, ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื”ืคื’ื™ื–ื• ืื•ืชื•. ืื– ื”ื•ืฆืืชื™ ืืช ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืง ื”ืงื•ื ื™ืืง, ื•ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืงื— ืชืฉืชื” ืงื•ื ื™ืืง", ื›ื›ื” ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื ื”ื’ื™ื. ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš, ืฉื‘ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžื ื ื‘ื™ืŸ ืื—ืช-ืขืฉืจื” ืœืฉื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื”, ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ืฉืœื™, ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืœื—ืžื”. ืื ื™ ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืžืื•ื™ื, ื•ื‘ืจื—ืชื™ ืžื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื•. ื™ืฉ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื ืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœืš, ืฉื›ืฉืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœ ื”ืื™ื›ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืื– ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืชืคืกื• ืื™ื–ื” ื ืขืจ ื‘ืŸ ืฉื‘ืข-ืขืฉืจื”, ื•ื”ื ืขื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื•. ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื” ื–ื” ืœืขื ื•ืช? ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืฉืžื™ื ืืช ื”ืื–ื™ืงื™ื ืคื”, ื•ืขื ื”ื›ื™ื“ื•ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืœืจื•ื‘ื”, ื”ื ืฉืžื• ื‘ืื–ื™ืงื™ื, ื•ื”ื ืกื•ื‘ื‘ื•. ื–ื” ืื—ื“ ื”ืขื™ื ื•ื™ื™ื ืฉืขืฉื• ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื•, ืฉื”ื ืฉืžื• ืืช ื”ื›ื™ื“ื•ืŸ ื‘ืื–ื™ืงื™ื, ื”ื ืกื•ื‘ื‘ื• ืืช ื”ื›ื™ื“ื•ืŸ, ื•ื›ื›ื” ื”ื ืฉื‘ืจื• ืืช ื”ืขืฆืžื•ืช. ืืžืจื• ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ืขืจ ืื—ื“, ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืžืงื•ื ืฉืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื”, ืขืฉื• ืœื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ืื— ืฉืœื™. ื™ืฆืืชื™ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืžื”ืžื•ืกื“ ื”ื–ื”, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ื‘ืจื’ืœ ืขื“ ืœืžืขืœื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ืื ื–ื” ื”ื•ื, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื•ื. ืื– ืื™ื–ื• ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืœื™? ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœืš, ื•ืืชื” ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืื— ืฉืœืš, ืฉืชืคืกื• ืื•ืชื•, ื•ืฉื‘ืจื• ืœื• ืืช ื”ืขืฆืžื•ืช. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“ ื”ืคื˜ื ื˜ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื•, ืฉื”ื ืฉืžื• ืœืืกื™ืจ ืื–ื™ืงื™ื, ื”ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืืช ื”ื›ื™ื“ื•ืŸ ื‘ืคื ื™ื ื•ืกื•ื‘ื‘ื•, ื›ื›ื” ื”ื ืฉื‘ืจื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš, ื‘ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื•ืช ืœื—ื™ื™ื• ืœืคื ื™ ืžื•ืชื•, ื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข ื›ืžื” ื”ืขืจื›ืชื ืื•ืชื•?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื™ื“ืข ื›ืžื” ื”ืขืจื›ื ื• ืื•ืชื•, ื•ืื ื™ ืžืฆื˜ืขืจ ืขืœ ื›ืš. ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืœื ื™ื“ืข, ืฉืื ื™ ืžื ื”ืœ ืžืคืขืœ ืฉืœ ื›ื•ืจ, ื•ืฉื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืจืฆื” ืฉืื ื™ ืืขืฉื”, ืื ื™ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืขืฉื™ืชื™, ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืจื™ื•. ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืœืžื” ื”ื•ื ื ืคื˜ืจ? ืฉื•ื‘, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื ืคื˜ืจ ืžื”ืžืœื—ืžื”. ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื•ืช, ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื–ื ื™ื, ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื•, ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ืจื’ ืื•ืชื• ื–ื” ื”ืžื•ืฉื‘ ืคื”. ืœื ืจืง ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ืงืฉื™ื, ืืœื ื”ื™ื—ืก ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืืœื™ื•. ืืžืจื• ืœื•: "ืืชื” ืชืฉืชื•ืง, ืื™ืŸ ืœืš ืžื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ืืชื” ืื‘ื". ื›ื™ ืื ื—ื ื•, ืื—ื™ ื•ืื ื™, ืฉื ื™ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื—ื‘ืจื™ื, ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืคื” ืฉื ื™ ืžืฉืงื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ืื‘ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื”ื™ื™ืช ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื”ื™ื•ื ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื• ืžืฉื”ื•, ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ืื•ืžืจ ืœื•?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืžืฆื˜ืขืจ ืฉืœื ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืื—ืจืช. ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื ืคื˜ืจ, ืฉืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืžืžื” ื”ื•ื ื ืคื˜ืจ. ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžืžื” ื”ื•ื ื ืคื˜ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื ืคื˜ืจ ืžืฉื‘ืจื•ืŸ ืœื‘. ื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืกื• ืืœื™ื• ืคื” ื›ืžื• ืกืžืจื˜ื•ื˜. ื”ื•ื ืฉื”ื™ื” ื”ื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื ื”ื›ื™ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื”ื•ื ืจืฆื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื”ื ืžืฉื”ื•. ื”ื•ื ื›ืชื‘, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืฉื˜ื—ื™ื ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื• ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ื”ื•ื ื›ืชื‘ ืืช ื–ื” ืœื”ืจืฆืคืœื“, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื– ืฉืจ ื”ื—ืงืœืื•ืช, ื”ื•ื ื”ื›ื™ืจ ืื•ืชื•. ื”ืจื™ ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืงืฉืจื™ื ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉ ืคืขื™ืœ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื›ื™ืจ ืืช ื›ื•ืœื. ื”ื•ื ื›ืชื‘ ืœื”ืจืฆืคืœื“, ื•ืกื™ืคืจ ืœื• ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืงืจื” ื‘ืžื•ืฉื‘. ืื– ื”ืจืฆืคืœื“ ืขื ื” ืœื•: "ืื ื™ ืืชืŸ ืœืš ืžื•ืฉื‘ ืื—ืจ"? ืื‘ื ืืžืจ ืœื•: "ืื ื™ ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืžื•ืฉื‘ ืื—ืจ, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉืืชื ืชืคืชืจื• ืืช ื”ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืžื•ืฉื‘ ืคื”. ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ืžื•ืฉื‘ ืื—ืจ, ืื ื™ ืคื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉืชืคืชืจื• ืืช ื”ื‘ืขื™ื” ืฉื™ืฉ ืคื”. ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืฉืœืžื™ื, ืžืฉืœืžื™ื ื–ื”, ืžืฉืœืžื™ื ื•ืžืฉืœืžื™ื. ื›ืœ ื”ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœื”ื ื”ื•ืจืื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ื—ื•ืœ".
ืฉ: ืžื” ืืชื” ืžืื—ืœ ืœืขืฆืžืš ืœืฉื ื” ื”ืงืจื•ื‘ื”, ืœืฉื ื™ื ื”ืงืจื•ื‘ื•ืช?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืžืื—ืœ ืœืขืฆืžื™, ืฉืื ื™ ืื—ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ืžืกืคื™ืง ื–ืžืŸ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืฉื™ืฆืื• ืงืฆืช ืžื”ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืžืื—ืœืช ืœืš ื”ืžื•ืŸ ื‘ืจื™ืื•ืช, ื•ืžื•ื“ื” ืœืš ืžืื•ื“ ืขืœ ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื”, ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื”.
ืช: ื‘ื‘ืงืฉื”.
Family life; eviction from Strasbourg in 1939; family moves to Clermont Ferrand; father joins the Foreign Legion; the French surrender and the witness's father escapes and joins the resistance; family hides out in the mountains; deportation order given; escaping to the mountains; forging of family name to Ubery on documents; mother helps to provide forged papers; parents active in placing Jews in hiding; establishment of the Combat Juif partisan army; witness hides in a residential institution; Gestapo manhunts and escape; family participates in warfare operations; liberation in Lyon; father active in Aliya Bet, 1945โ€“1947; family immigrates to Isarel in 1950; adjustment to life in Israel.
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9126048
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Gerard
Gershon
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Avraham
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07/12/1928
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Strasbourg, France
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Testimony
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13486
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Hebrew
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O.3 - Testimonies Department of the Yad Vashem Archives
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02/08/2010
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02/08/2010
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ืื‘ืจื”ื ื’ืจืฉื•ืŸ ื’ืจืจ
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YES
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57
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ISRAEL
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Video
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Moshal Repository, Yad Vashem Archival Collection