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Testimony of Karla (Frenkel) Raveh, born in Lemgo, Germany, 1927, regarding her experiences in Theresienstadt, Auschwitz-Birkenau, Bergen-Belsen and Salzwedel

Testimony
ืฉื ื”ืžืจื•ืื™ื™ื ืช : ืจื•ื” ืคืจื ืงืœ ืงืจืœื”
ืชืืจื™ืš ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ : 17.10.06
ืฉื ื”ืžืจืื™ื™ื ืช : ื ืื•ื” ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจื™
ืฉื ื”ื›ืชื‘ื ื™ืช : ืื™ืœื” ื”ืœื‘ืจื˜ืœ
ืฉืžื•ืช ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช
LEMGO
BUCHENWALD
TEREZIN
AUSCHWITZ
BIRKENAU
BERGEN BELSEN
SALZWEDEL
ืฉื ื”ืžืจื•ืื™ื™ืŸ : ืจื•ื” ืคืจื ืงืœ ืงืจืœื”
ืชืืจื™ืš ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ : 17.10.06
ืฉื ื”ืžืจืื™ื™ื ืช : ื ืื•ื” ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจื™
ืฉื ื”ื›ืชื‘ื ื™ืช : ืื™ืœื” ื”ืœื‘ืจื˜ืœ
[...], ื™ืœื™ื“ืช ืฉื ืช 1927 ืžืŸ ื”ืขื™ืจ Lemgo ืฉื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ื•ืชื•ืฉื‘ืช ืงืจื™ืช ื˜ื‘ืขื•ืŸ ื”ื™ื•ื. ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืžืชืงื™ื™ื ื‘17- ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ 2006, ื›"ื” ื‘ืชืฉืจื™ ืชืฉืก"ื–, ื ืขืจืš ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื ืื•ื” ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจื™.
ืฉ: ืงืจืœื”, ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืฉื ื ื•ืœื“ืช?
ืช: ืงืจืœื” ืจื•ื–ืžืจื™ ืคืจื ืงืœ.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ื ื•ืœื“ืช?
ืช: ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื‘ืฆืคื•ืŸ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื™ืคื™ืคื™ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœื”?
ืช: Lemgo, ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™ื, ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืฉื ื” ื ื•ืœื“ืช?
ืช: 27.
ืฉ: ื‘ื•ืื™ ืชืกืคืจื™ ืขืœ Lemgo, ืื™ื–ื• ืžื™ืŸ ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื–ืืช?
ืช: ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื™ืคื™ืคื™ื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืžืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ, ืื ื™ ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ื–ื” ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™, ื•ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื”, ืœื ืื“ื•ืงื”, ืื‘ืœ ืžืืžื™ื ื”, ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืžื‘ื™ืช ืขืœ ื™ื“ Hanover, ืžื‘ื™ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ืื™ื–ื” ืกืคืจ, ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื ืฉื™ืฉื™ ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœื ื•, ืœื™ ืื• ืœืื—ื•ืชื™ ืœื”ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ืกื™ื“ื•ืจ, ื”ื™ื ืจืฆืชื” ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ, ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื‘ื™ืช ื›ื ืกืช ืงื˜ื ืฆ'ื™ืง ืžืื•ื“.
ืฉ: ืจืง ืœืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื›ื?
ืช: ืœื, ืœื, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื‘ ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ื•ืฉืชื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืขืจืš.
ืฉ: ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ื•ืฉืชื™ื ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ?
ืช: ืœื, ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ืขื–ื‘ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ, ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืขืชื™ื“ ืฉื, ืœืืžืจื™ืงื”, ืœืืจื’ื ื˜ื™ื ื”...
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ืขื™ื™ืจื”, ืื™ื–ื” ืกื“ืจ ื’ื•ื“ืœ, ื›ืžื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืขืจืš ื—ื™ื• ื‘ืžืงื•ื?
ืช: ืื– ื”ื™ื• ืฉืฉืช ืืœืคื™ื ืื ืฉื™ื, ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื”.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉืฉืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื•ื›ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืช: ื›ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื” ืžืฉืžืขื•ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื‘-Lemgo?
ืช: ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื ื‘ืขื™ื”, ืื ื™ ืฉื™ื—ืงืชื™ ืขื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืขื ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื‘ื™ืช ืกืคืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื” ืื—ืช ื‘ื›ื™ืชื”, ื›ื™ ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ื‘ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ืชื™ ื‘ื›ื™ืชื”.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืช ื‘ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ื“ืช ืœืžืฉืœ?
ืช: ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื', ื‘', ื–ื” ืœื ืฉื™ื—ืง ืชืคืงื™ื“, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื“ืช, ืื– ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืืžืจื”: "ืืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”, ืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืฆืืช", ื•ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืฆืืช, ื›ื™ ืื ืขืžื“ื• ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ, ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื“ืœืช, ื›ืœ ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืืœ: "ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืช?", ื•ืืช ื–ื” ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™, ืื– ืื ื™ ื”ื—ืœื˜ืชื™ ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ื‘ื›ื™ืชื”, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™, ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืขืช ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ื™ืฉื•, ื•ื”ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื ืืฆื™ืช, ื”ื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ื”ืืžื™ื ื” ื•ื”ืขืจื™ื›ื” ืืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ.
ืฉ: ืืช ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ืื—ืจื™ 33?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ื‘33- ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ื‘ื ืœืฉืœื˜ื•ืŸ, ื•ื‘ืืชื™ ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื‘33-, 34, ืื– ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ...
ืฉ: ืื– ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžืจื’ืข ืฉืืช ื ื›ื ืกืช ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ืืช ื›ื‘ืจ ืชื—ืช ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจ ื”ื ืืฆื™.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื ื• ืœืขืžื•ื“ ื•ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื‘ื•ืงืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ "ื”ื™ื™ืœ ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ", ื•ืœืฉื‘ืช, ื•ื”ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ืกื™ืคืจื” ื‘ืื”ื‘ื” ื•ื‘ื”ืชืœื”ื‘ื•ืช, ืฉื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฆืœื‘ื• ืืช ื™ืฉื•, ื•ืื ื™ ื ื‘ื”ืœืชื™, ื”ืจื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืจื“ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืจืืฉ, ื•ืื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืื“ืžื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ื•ืจื“ืช..., ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื”ืกืชื›ืœื• ืขืœื™ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื ืงืฉื˜ื” ืืช ื–ื” ืขื•ื“, ืื™ืš ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื..., ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื™ื ื•ื™ื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™.
ืฉ: ืกื™ืคืจืช ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื, ื”ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื”, ืฉื›ืœ ื”ืกื‘ืœ, ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“: "ืืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”, ืืชื ื”ืจื’ืชื ืืช ื™ืฉื•", ืื– ืื ื™ ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืืฉืžื”, ื•ืœื ืกื™ืคืจืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืกื‘ืœืชื™ ืœื‘ื“.
ืฉ: ื‘ื•ืื™ ื ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ื›ื™ ืœื ื”ืฆื’ื ื• ืื•ืชื, ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ื•ืœื˜ืจ, ืฉื ื’ืจืžื ื™, ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืฉื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืžื™ื›ืืœ ื’ื, ืื‘ืœ ืœื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ ืฉืžื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœืืžื?
ืช: ื”ืจื˜ื”.
ืฉ: ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืžืฉืคื—ืชื” ืœืคื ื™ ื ื™ืฉื•ืื™ื”?
ืช: ืจื•ื–ื ื‘ืจื’, ื‘ื˜ื—, ื•ืขื•ื“ ืื™ืš.
ืฉ: ื‘ืžื” ืื‘ื ืขืกืง?
ืช: ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืกื•ื—ืจ.
ืฉ: ื‘ืžื”?
ืช: ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืžืชื›ืช, ืžืชื›ืช ื•ื’ื ื ื™ื™ืจ, ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืื•ื˜ื• ืžืฉื, ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื–ื” ืœื‘ืชื™ ื—ืจื•ืฉืช, ื”ื•ื ืงื ื” ืืช ื”ื—ื•ืžืจ, ื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื–ื” ืœื‘ืชื™ ื—ืจื•ืฉืช, ืœืžืฉืœ ืืช ื”ื ื™ื™ืจ, ืžื–ื” ืขืฉื• ื ื™ื™ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืืช ื”ืฉืืจื™ื•ืช...
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื”ื•ื ืงื ื” ืกื—ื•ืจื•ืช ื•ืกื™ืคืง ืœืชืขืฉื™ื™ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ื•ื–ื” ื”ืœืš ื˜ื•ื‘, ื•ืื ื™ ื’ื ื—ืงืจืชื™, ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ, ืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ื ื•ืจื ืœื“ืขืช, ื•ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ื’ื ืœื“ืขืช, ื›ืžื” ื–ืžืŸ ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืขื™ืจ ื—ื™ื™ื, ืื– ื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืฉืืœืฃ ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืžืื•ืช ื•ืžืฉื”ื• ื”ืืžื ืฉืœ ื”ืกื‘ื ืขื ื”ืกื‘ื ื‘ืื” ืœืขื™ื™ืจื” ื•ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืœืžื›ื•ืจ..., ืฉื›ื—ืชื™ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืื™ืš ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืืช ื–ื”, ืงื™ืฉืงืขืก, ื›ื™ ืฉืžื” ื”ื ืฉื—ื˜ื• ื›ืžื” ืคืขืžื™ื ื‘ืฉื ื” ื•ืขืฉื• ื ืงื ื™ืง, ื•ืœื ืžืคืœืกื˜ื™ืง, ื•ืœื ืžื ื™ื™ืœื•ืŸ, ืžืงื™ืฉืงืขืก, ื•ื‘ื—ื‘ื™ื•ืช, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืงื ื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืœื—, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ืžื—ื–ื™ืง, ื•ื–ื” ืขืœื” ืžื˜ืจ, ืžื›ืจื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืื˜ ืœืื˜ ื’ื ืขื ื”ืžืชื›ืช ื•ื‘ื ื” ื™ื•ืคื™ ืฉืœ ืขืกืง.
ืฉ: ืžืื™ืคื” ืืกืคืช ืืช ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ืขืœ ืชื•ืœื“ื•ืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ืงืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืกืงืจื ื™ืช ืœื“ืขืช.
ืฉ: ืจื™ืฉื•ืžื™ื ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ื™ ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™, ืืคื™ืœื• ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ืžืชื™ ื‘ืื•, ืžืื™ื–ื” ื›ืคืจ ืœืขื™ืจ, ืื– ื”ื™ื” ื›ืชื•ื‘ ืฉื ืฉื”ืกืชื‘ื ื‘ืื” ืขื ื”ืื‘ื, ื•ืฉื™ืœืžื” ื›ืš ื•ื›ืš ื’ื•ืœื“ืŸ, ืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื’ื•ืœื“ืŸ.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืœืžื™ื˜ื‘ ื™ื“ื™ืขืชืš ื–ืืช ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช ื‘ืช ื›ืžื” ื“ื•ืจื•ืช.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื•ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ืขื•ื“ ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™, ืื™ืคื” ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืงื‘ืจื•ืช, ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืงื‘ืจื•ืช, ื•ืžืฆืืชื™ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืงื˜ืŸ ืžืื•ื“ ื‘ื™ืช ืงื‘ืจื•ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืขื•ื“ ืงื‘ืจื™ื, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ื›ื›ื”, ืฉืœ ืืจื‘ืขื” ื‘ืฉื ืคืจื ืงืœ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืืคื™ืœื• ืื—ืช ืงืจื•ืœื™ืŸ, ื•ืงืจืœื”, ืงืจื•ืœื™ืŸ, ืื– ืงื™ืฉืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืฉื›ื ืจืื” ื”ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืจืฆื• ืœืชืช ืฉื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืื‘ืœ ื”ืฉืชื“ืœื• ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื–ื” ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ื’ื ื‘ื—ื“ืจ ื”ื ืฆื—ื”, ื–ื” ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ื›ืžื” ื‘1400-, ืžืื•ื“ ืžื•ืงื“ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช, ื•ืื™ืš ื”ื ืœื—ืžื• ื ื’ื“ ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืžื™ ื–ื” ื”ื?
ืช: ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืคืงื—ื™ื, ื”ื ื‘ืื• ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื”ื ื‘ืื• ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ ืขื ื”ืงืคื˜ืŸ, ืขื ื”ืฉื˜ืจื™ื™ืžืœ.
ืฉ: ืืช ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœ-Lemgo?
ืช: ืฉื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœืฉื, ืœื ื›ื•ืœื ื ืฉืืจื•, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื”ื: "ืื ืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืœื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ, ืชื•ืจื™ื“ื• ืืช ื”ืงืคื˜ืŸ, ืืช ื”ืฉื˜ืจื™ื™ืžืœ, ื•ืืœ ืชืขืฉื• ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘ [...]", ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืืœื™ืš ื•ืœืขื“ื•ืช ืขืœ ื—ื™ื™ืš. ืืช ื”ื–ื›ืจืช ืงื•ื“ื ืืช ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ืืช ืœื•ืžื“ืช ื‘ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ืฉื”ื•ืœื›ืช ื•ืžืชืคืชื—ืช, ืื™ื–ื” ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื™ื™ื ื™ืฉ?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ื›ื›ื” ืฉื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ื›ืืœื” ืฉืชืคืกื•..., ืื• ืฉืฆืœื‘ื• ืืช ื™ืฉื•, ื–ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื”ืงืœื™ื˜ื• ืืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ, ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื ื”ืืกื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืœืงื—ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื›ืกืฃ, ื•ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืงื—ืช ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ื›ืกืฃ, ื•ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื ื• ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืขืฉื™ืจื™ื ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ื–ื• ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื•ืขื•ื“ ืื™ื–ื• ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืฉืงื˜, ืœื ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื, ืœื..., ื•ื’ื ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื•, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืงื˜ื ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืื ื—ื ื•, ื–ื” ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื ื• ืขื ืขื•ื“ ื›ืžื” ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื–ื” ืœื ื”ืคืจื™ืข ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขืฉื™ืจื™ื, ืœื ื‘ืื• ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื™: "ืืชื ืขืฉื™ืจื™ื, ืืชื ื’ื ื‘ืชื, ืืชื ืœืงื—ืชื", ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืฉืžืขืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื” ืžืœื•ื›ืœื›ืช", ื•ื–ื”, ื•ืขืžื“ืชื™ ื•ืืžืจืชื™: "ืžื”?", ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืžื›ื•ืช, ื•ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจื”: "ืชืขื–ื‘ื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืœื ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœืขืžื•ื“ ื‘ื–ื”".
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช?
ืช: ืงื•ื“ื ืจืง ืื—ื•ืชื™, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื‘ื ืขื•ื“ ืื—, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงื˜ืŸ, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื•ืื ื™ ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื—ืžื ื• ื ื’ื“ ื›ืœ ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื ื‘ืฉืงื˜...
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื?
ืช: ืืจื‘ืขื”.
ืฉ: ื‘ื•ืื™ ืชื’ื™ื“ื™ ืืช ื”ืฉืžื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื.
ืช: ื”ืœื’ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื”, ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืžืžื ื™, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ืื ื™, ื•ืœื•ื“ื‘ื™ื’, ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืœื“ ื›ืฉืกื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืคื˜ืจ, ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ืœื™ืœื”, ื•ืงืจืื• ืœื• ืœื•ืื™, ืœื•ืื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉืœ ื ืคื•ืœื™ื•ืŸ, ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ื›ืืœื” ืฉืžื•ืช ืฆืจืคืชื™ื™ื, ืœื•ืื™ ื–ื” ืœื•ื˜ื‘ื™ื’, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ืฉื ืœื•ื˜ื‘ื™ืฉ, ื•ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืฉื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืืžืจื•, ืฉืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืœื• ื‘ืจื™ืช, ื•ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืื™ืŸ ืžื•ื”ืœ, "ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื‘ื™ื ืžืื™ื–ื” ืขื™ืจ ืžื•ื”ืœ", ื•ืžืฉื”ื• ื”ืฉืชื‘ืฉ, ื•ืฉืžืขืชื™, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ืจื™ ื‘ืช ืฉื‘ืข, ื•ืžื” ื–ื” ื‘ืจื™ืช? ืœื ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืขืช, ืื—ื•ืช ืื—ืช ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื—ื•ืช ืžื•ืกืžื›ืช, ืื– ืกื™ืคืจื•, ืฉื”ื•ื ืžื“ืžื, ืžื“ืžื, ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืžื”ืจ ืžื”ืจ ืœื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื, ืื™ื–ื” ื‘ื•ืฉื”, ื›ื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื”ืžื•ื”ืœ ืขืฉื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ ืœื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืฆื™ืœ ืื•ืชื•, ื•ืืช ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืœื ืืฉื›ื— ืœืขื•ืœื, ืื ื™ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืชื™ ื‘ืชื™ื ื”ืกืชืชืจืชื™ ื•ื—ื™ื›ื™ืชื™ ืขื“ ืฉื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืขื ื”ื™ืœื“, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืฉื›ื•ื— ืืช ื–ื”, ืžืžืฉ ื‘ืจืืฉ ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื”ื‘ื ื™ื ืฉืœื™, ืฉื–ื” ื™ืฆืœื™ื—, ืฉืœื ื™ืขืฉื• ืคืฉืœื”, ื˜ื•ื‘, ื”ื•ื ื’ื“ืœ...
ืฉ: ืจื’ืข, ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืื— ืื—ื“, ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœืื— ื”ื›ื™ ืงื˜ืŸ?
ืช: ื”ื›ื™ ืงื˜ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ืื•ืจื™ืืœ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืœื“ ื‘ืฉื ืช 41, ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื•ืงืจื” ืคื ืฆ'ืจ ืœื”ื, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื•ื ืžื‘ื™ื ื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื”ืคืœื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”..., ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ืžืžื” ื”ืชื‘ื™ื™ืฉืช ื›ืœ ื›ืš, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ืื—ื™ืš ืœื•ืื™ ืœื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื?
ืช: ืฉืฉืžื” ื™ื’ื™ื“ื•: "ื›ืŸ, ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื", ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืฉื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื...
ืฉ: ืื– ื‘ืขืฆื ืืช ื™ืœื“ื” ื“ื™ ืงื˜ื ื”, ื‘ืช ืฉื‘ืข, ืฉืžื•ื ื”, ื ื•ืฉืืช ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชืคื™ื™ื ืฉืœืš ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื”ืฉืžืฆื•ืช, ืœืžื” ืืช ืœื ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื, ืžื” ืžื•ื ืข ืžืžืš?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ื ืกื•ื‘ืœื™ื, ืฉื”ื ืžืื•ื“ ืกื•ื‘ืœื™ื ืื ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ืขื•ื“ ืขื ืฉืืœื•ืช, ื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืžืื•ื“ ืงืฉื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื™ื, ื•ื”ื“ืช ื‘ืฆื“, ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืกื“ืจ ืขื ื”ื“ืช, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืฉืกื‘ืชื ื‘ืื”, ื”ื™ื ืœื ื’ืจื”..., ื”ืืžื ืฉืœ ื”ืืžื, ื”ืกื‘ืชื, ื”ืืžื ืฉืœ ื”ืื‘ื ื’ืจื” ื‘-Lemgo, ืื‘ืœ ื›ืฉื”ื™ื ื‘ืื”, ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช ืœืืžื ืฉืœื™: "ืžื”, ืืช ืœื ืžื“ืœื™ืงื” ื ืจื•ืช ื‘ืฉื‘ืช?", ืื– ืืžื ืืžืจื”: "ืื•ื™, ืชืขื–ื‘ื™ ืื•ืชื™", ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ืžื ื™ื ื”ืงืฉื™ื, ื•ืืช ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืคืขื ืขืฆืจื•, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื ื’ื“ ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ, ืขืฆืจื•, ืฉื—ืจืจื• ืื•ืชื•, ืืžื ืžืื•ื“ ื‘ื›ืชื”, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ืœื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื•ืฉื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื”, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ืื ื™ ืกื‘ืœืชื™ ื‘ืฉืงื˜.
ืฉ: ืื– ื‘ื•ืื™ ื ื ืกื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื”, ื”ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื—ืœื—ืœืช ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื’ื ืœื—ื™ื™ ื”ืฉื’ืจื” ืฉืœื›ื, ื’ื ื‘-Lemgo?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ืจืฆื™ื ื• ืœื”ืชืขืœื ืžื–ื”, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื’ื•ื™ื™ื, ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ืœืงื—ื• ืœื• ืืช ื”ืขืกืง, ืืžืจื•: "ืœื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื“ื™, ืื™ืŸ ืขืกืง", ื”ื•ื ื”ืฆื˜ืจืš ืœื—ืคืฉ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”.
ืฉ: ืขืœ ืื™ื–ื• ืฉื ื” ื‘ืขืจืš ืืช ืžื“ื‘ืจืช?
ืช: ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช 36, 37, ื‘38- ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื—.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจื™ ื—ื•ืงื™ ื ื™ืจื ื‘ืจื’.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื“ื™ ืงื˜ื ื”, ืฉื‘ืข, ืฉืžื•ื ื”.
ืฉ: ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืœ 33 ืœ36-, 37, 38, ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ื ื ืžืฉื›ื™ื ื›ืจื’ื™ืœ?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื•ืกื•ื‘ืœืช, ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืขืช ืฉื‘ื›ื™ืชื” ืฉืœ ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฆื• ืœื”, ืื ื™ ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืจืฆืชื™ ืœืฉืžื”, ื™ื•ืชืจ ืงื˜ื ื” ืื ื™, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช: "ืžื” ื™ืฉ ืคื”? ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืคื”?" ืขื ื—ื•ืฆืคื” ื›ื–ื• ื”ืกืชื“ืจ ืืฆืœื™, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืžื›ื•ืช, ืžื™ืฉื”ื™ ืืžืจื” ืžืฉื”ื•, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืžื›ื•ืช, ืืคื™ืœื• ื›ืฉืขืฉื™ื ื• ื˜ื™ื•ืœ ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืžื” ืžื˜ื™ื•ืœ ืฉื ืชื™, ืื– ืื ื™ ื‘ื™ืงืฉืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช: "ืชืชื ื• ืœื™ ืขื•ื“ ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ืื’ื•ืจื•ืช", ื›ื™ ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ื”ื›ื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื›ืกืฃ, ืื– ืื ื™ ื ืชืชื™ ืขืฉืจื” ื–ื” ืœื–ื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืฆื“ ืฉืœื™.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืืช ืœื•ืžื“ืช ืœื”ืกืชื“ืจ ืขื ื”ืžืฆื‘.
ืช: ืื ื™ ืžืกืชื“ืจืช ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื‘ื›ื“ื™ ืœื ืœืกื‘ื•ืœ, ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืื—ืช ืžื›ื•ืœื.
ืฉ: ื™ืฉ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื›ืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื” ืฉืœ ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ืื™ื–ื” ืžื•ืจื” ืœืžืฉืœ ืฉื“ื•ืื’ืช ืœื”ื’ืŸ ืขืœื™ืš?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืกืœื•ื— ืœืžื•ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ืจื” ืฉืœื ื•, ื”ื™ื ื—ื™ืคืฉื” ืื•ืชื™ ืขื•ื“, ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืชืžื™ื“ ืขื ืงื•ืคืกืื•ืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืชืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ, ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืจืขื™ื•ื ื•ืช, ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉืื™ืŸ, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืชืช ื›ืกืฃ, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืฉืœื•ื— ืœื—ื•ืคืฉ, ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™, ื‘ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื”, ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืฉ ืืช ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื ืชืชื™ ื›ืกืฃ, ืœื ื”ื‘ืืชื™, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ืชืžื™ื“ ื‘ืื”: "ืืช ืœื ื”ื›ื ืกืช", ืฉื™ืฉืžืขื• ืืช ื–ื” ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืœื ื”ื›ื ืกืชื™, ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ื”ื›ื ืกืชื™, ื•ื”ื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ื“ื—ืคื” ืื•ืชื™.
ืฉ: ืืช ื•ืื—ื•ืชืš ื”ื™ื™ืชืŸ ืžื“ื‘ืจื•ืช ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืขื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื›ืŸ?
ืช: ืœื, ืœื, ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื•ื ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื• ืขืœ ื”ืกื‘ืœ ืฉื”ื™ื ืกื‘ืœื” ื•ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืกื‘ืœืชื™.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžืชืงื™ื™ื ืžื™ืŸ..., ืœื ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขื ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ืœื ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื—ืช ืขื ื”ืฉื ื™ื”, ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื ืฉืขืŸ ืขืœ ื›ื•ื—ื•ืชื™ื•.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื, ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™ ืขื ื‘ื—ื•ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™, ื–ื” ืœื ื‘ื—ื•ืจื•ืช, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื ืฉื™ื ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื•ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ืกืคืจื” ืœื™ ืฉืคืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืืžืจื” ืœื”: "ืื ื™ ืืชื—ืชืŸ ืขื ื’ื•ื™", ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ื‘ืจืืฉ ืฉื”ื™ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืฆืืช ืžื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื ื•ืกืคื™ื ื‘-Lemgo ื”ื™ื•...
ืช: ืœื ื•ืœื, ื•ื‘38-, ื‘ืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื— ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ืื™ืš ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš, ืืกื•ืŸ, ืืกื•ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™, ืจืื™ืช ืฉื ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื‘ื™ืช, ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™ ื”ื—ื•ืฆื” ื•ืขื‘ืจื• ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื”ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช, ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื” ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ื›ืคืช ืœื”ื, ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ืฉื˜ื•ื™ื•ืช, ื”ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”, ื”ื™ื ืงืชื•ืœื™ืช, ื”ื™ื ืคืจื•ื˜ืกื˜ื ื˜ื™ืช, ืœื ืื›ืคืช ืœื™", ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ืฉื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืกืžื•ืš ืขืœื™ื”ื, ืื– ืขืžื“ืชื™ ื’ื ืขื ืื—ืช, ืื ื™ ืœืžืขืœื” ื‘ื—ืœื•ืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื..., ื•ื›ืžื• ืฉืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืชืžื™ื“ ืžืฉื”ื•..., ืื– ืคืชืื•ื ืขื•ื‘ืจื™ื ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื•ืฆื•ืขืงื™ื ืœื”: "ื‘ื•ืื™, ื‘ื•ืื™, ื”ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื” ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื•ืขืจืช", ืœื ื™ื“ืขื• ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืกื™ื ื’ื•ื’, ื”ื ืืžืจื• ื”ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื ืžืกืชื›ืœืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืชืœื›ื•, ืชืœื›ื•, ืœื ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื™", ื”ื™ื ืžืกืชื›ืœืช ืœืžืขืœื”, ืืœื™, ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื ืืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืœื›ืช, ืชืœื›ื™", "ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ื•ืœื›ืช", ืื ื™ ืœื ืืฉื›ื— ืœื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ืื•ืคื™ ื—ื–ืง.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื‘ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื‘ ืกืžืœื™ื ื ืืฆื™ื, ื”ืœื™ื›ื” ืœื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ-ื™ื•ื’ื ื“?
ืช: ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ, ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืžื›ืจื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“..., ื–ื” ืœื, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• 38, ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ื”ืžื•ืจื” ืžื•ืฆื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืืช ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื‘ื•ื ื™ื•ืชืจ", "ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืชื™?", ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื•ืฉื”, ืœื–ืจื•ืง ื™ืœื“, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ืชืกื‘ื™ืจื™ ืœืืžื, ื”ื™ื ืชื’ื™ื“ ืœืš", ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ืื ื•ืฉื™, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ื ื’ื™ื“ ืœื” ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื•ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื‘ื™ื ื”, ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ื ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื—ืจื™ ืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื—, ืงื•ื“ื ื ืฉืœื— ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ืžื” ืฉื™ืงืจื” ื™ืงืจื”, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื ื’ืžืจ, ืื– ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช...
ืฉ: ืื– ื‘ืืžืช ืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื—, ืฉื•ืจืคื™ื ืืช ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ื ืกืช ื‘-Lemgo, ืื™ืš ื–ื” ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื–ื”?
ืช: ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืขืฆื•ื‘ื™ื, ื•ืžื”, ืœืงื—ื• ืืช ื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื ืœ-Buchenwald, ืื– ืœืงื—ื• ืืช ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืืช ืื— ืฉืœื•, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ื•ืฉืชื™ื, ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ืฆืขื™ืจ.
ืฉ: ืž-Buchenwald ื”ื ื ืœืงื—ื™ื ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืœื™ืœื” ืฉืœ ืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื— ืื• ืœืคื ื™, ืื—ืจื™?
ืช: ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื™ื•ื, ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ืžื”9- ืœ10- ื‘ืœื™ืœื”, ื•ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ืืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืฉืžื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžื” ืจื—ื•ื‘ื•ืช, ืงืจื•ื‘ ืžืื•ื“ ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื•, ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ืœื›ืชื™, ืกื™ืคืจื• ืœื™ ืฉืืช ืกืคืจื™ ื”ืชื•ืจื” ื•ืืช ื–ื” ื–ืจืงื• ื‘ืืžืฆืข, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉืžื” ืจื—ื‘ื” ื•ืฉืจืคื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื–ื” ืจืง ืžืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื–ืžืŸ ืื‘ื ืฉื”ื” ื‘-Buchenwald?
ืช: ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ื™ืžื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉืฉืžื” ืงืจื”, ื”ื•ื ื—ื–ืจ, ื•ื™ืฉ ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืœืคื ื™ื ื•, Lemgo ื–ื” ืงื˜ืŸ ื•ื™ืฉ Bielefeld ื–ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ืื—ื•ืชื• ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉืžื”, ื”ื™ื ืขื‘ื“ื” ืฉืžื”, ื”ื™ื ื”ืชื—ืชื ื” ื’ื ืฉื, ื•ื”ืื— ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื ืฉืืจ ืฉื, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื‘ื ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื”ืจื™ ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ื™ื—ื“, ื•ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื”ืฉื ื™ื”, ืฉืœ ืืžื, ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืฆืœื ื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื‘ืจื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื‘, ื›ื™ ื”ื ื’ืจื• ื‘ื›ืคืจ ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื”ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืื˜ืœื™ื–, ืื˜ืœื™ื– ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™, ื•ื–ื” ื ืืฆื™ ืจืฆื”, ื•ื”ืžื•ืŸ ื‘ืฉืจ ืœื›ืœ ื”ื›ืคืจื™ื ื”ื ื—ื™ืœืงื•, ืขืกืง ื˜ื•ื‘, ืขื ืื— ืฉืœื•, ืฉื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื›ืคืจ ืงื˜ืŸ, ื•ืื™ื–ื” ื ืืฆื™ ืจืฆื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืกื™ื“ืจ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ื›ื” ืฉืœืงื—ื• ืืช ืฉื ื™ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืืช ื”ืกื‘ื ื•ืืช ืื— ืฉืœื• ืœ-Sachsenhausen, ื•ื’ืžืจื• ืื•ืชื ืฉื, ืกื‘ืชื ืงื‘ืœื” ืžื›ืชื‘, ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืช ืžื“ืœืงืช ืจื™ืื•ืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ืื– ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ืžื›ืชื‘, ืชืžื™ื“ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžืช, ื“ืœืงืช ืจื™ืื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืฉื ืช 38 ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื•...
ืช: ื‘ืงื™ืฅ, ืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ืœืคื ื™...
ืฉ: ืžื” ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื”ื™ื•ื, ืžืžื” ื”ื•ื ืžืช?
ืช: ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืชื•, ืžื™ ืฉื ืœื‘?
ืฉ: ื‘ืฉื ืช 38 ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื”ืฉืžื“ื•ืช.
ืช: ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื—ื ื” ื•ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื“ืื’ ืœืขืฆืžื•, ื•ืฉืœื—ื• ื’ื ืืช ื”ื’ื•ืคื”, ื•ืขืฉื•, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื ืกืขื ื•, ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืืžื ื ืกืขื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื•ื•ื™ื”, ื•ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื‘ืื” ืืœื™ื ื•, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื’ื ื’ืจื” ื‘-Lemgo.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืื‘ื ืกื™ืคืจ ืขืœ Buchenwald?
ืช: ืื‘ื ืจืžื– ืœื ื•, ืฉืืกื•ืจ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ื—ืชื ืฉืืกื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ืื‘ื ืืžืจ, ืฉืœื ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ Buchenwald, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืื•ืœ...
ืช: ื”ื•ื ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ ืขื ืืžื ื‘ืฉืงื˜, ืžื” ืงืจื” ืœื“ื•ื“, ืœืžื” ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื ืฉืืจ ื‘-Bielefeld, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ื‘ื—ื™ืคื”, ื•ืœื ื‘ื ืœื˜ื‘ืขื•ืŸ, ืื– ื”ืจื’ืฉื ื• ืฉืžืฉื”ื• ืงืจื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืื•ืœ, ืืชื ื ืžืฆืื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื‘ืœื‘ ื”[...], ื”ื›ืœ ืงื•ืจื” ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ื™ืฉ ืžื—ืฉื‘ื•ืช ืขืœ ืขื–ื™ื‘ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื ืกื™ืขื”?
ืช: ืฉืืœื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ื”ื™ื• ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ื”ืœืš, ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืกื™ื“ื•ืจ ื“ืจืš ื—ืœื•ืŸ ืžืื—ื•ืจื”, ื”ืื™ืฉื” ืฉืžื” ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ, ื”ื“ืจืš ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช, ื”ื•ื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ, ืื– ื”ื ื™ืฉื‘ื• ืฉืขื•ืช, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืคื™ืงื— ืžืื•ื“, ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ื–ื” ืœื ื™ื•ืฆื ื˜ื•ื‘, "ืชืฉืชื“ืœ ืœืฆืืช, ืชืฉืชื“ืœ ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”", ืื– ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืื™ืš? ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืœืžื›ื•ืจ ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ, ื–ื” ืชื”ืœื™ืš...", ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืชื”ืœื™ืš, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืกืคืจ ืฉืœ ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืฉื”ืืžื ืจืฆื” ืœืžื›ื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืื™ ืืคืฉืจ.
ืช: ืื™ ืืคืฉืจ, ืžืื™ืคื” ืœืงื—ืช ืืช ื”ื›ืกืฃ? "ืื ื—ื ื• ืขืฉืจื” ืื™ืฉ, ืืžื ืฉืœื™" ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, "ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขื–ื•ื‘, ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืื ื™ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”", ืžื” ืœื™ ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืœืืŸ?", ืื‘ื ืื•ืชื• ื“ื‘ืจ, ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืœื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ.
ืฉ: ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช, ืฉื•ืจืคื™ื ืืช ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ื ืกืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ืฉื‘ ื‘-Buchenwald ื‘ืžืขืฆืจ, ื•ื“ื•ื“ ืœื ื—ื•ื–ืจ ืž-Sachsenhausen.
ืช: ื”ื•ื ื—ื•ื–ืจ, ืกื‘ื ืœื ื—ื–ืจ ืž-Sachsenhausen, ื”ื“ื•ื“, ืžื” ืงืจื” ืœื•? ื”ืจื™ ืืช ืฉื•ืžืขืช ืฉืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืžืคืงื“, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืžืคืงื“ ื‘-Buchenwald, ื•ื”ื™ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืื—ื“ ืž-Lemgo ืฉื”ื™ื” ืื™ืœื ื•ื—ื™ืจืฉ, ื•ื”ื•ื ืœื ืฉืžืข ืืช ื”ืคืงื•ื“ื” ืœืฆืืช ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ืื– ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืžืื•ื“, ืžื ื•ืžืก ื›ื–ื”, ื”ื•ืœืš ืืœื™ื•, ืžืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื•, ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ื”ื ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื ื”ืจื•ื‘ื™ื, ืขื ื”ืžืงืœื•ืช, ื•ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœื• ืžื›ื” ื•ืฉื•ื‘ืจื™ื ืœื• ืืช ื”ืœืกืช ืขื ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื, ื™ืฆืื• ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ื”ื•ื ื›ื›ื” ื‘ื ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ืœื ืขืฉื• ื›ืœื•ื, ืื—ื“ ืกื™ืคืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ืจืื” ืื•ืชื•, ื”ื•ื ื‘ื™ืงืฉ, ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื ืคื•ื— ืœื’ืžืจื™, ืžื™ื, ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื™ื›ืœ ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ืจื•ืฆื” ืžื™ื, ื•ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ื• ื”ื•ื ื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื—ืชื ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ื™ืกืคืจ, ื”ื•ื ื ืคืœ. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื™ืฉื‘ื• ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ื“ืœืชื•ืช, ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืœืœื›ืช ืœืจื•ืคื ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืืกื•ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื™ืฉืืœ, ืื™ืš ื–ื” ืงืจื”, ื–ื” ืœื ื ืคื™ืœื”, ืื– ื”ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื•..., ืื—ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื—ื•ืช ืžื•ืกืžื›ืช, ืฉื”ื ื™ื™ืกืขื• ืœ-Berlin ืœื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ื•ื™ืจืื• ืžื” ืืคืฉืจ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืื™ืชื•, ื•ื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ืœื ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื‘ื ืชื™, ืืกื•ืจ ืœืกืคืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื” ื™ืฉ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื•ืช ืฉืžืชืืจื’ื ื•ืช ื‘ืžืกื’ืจืช ืกื™ื•ืข ืฉืœ ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื™ื“ืขืชื ืขืœ ื–ื”? ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื”?
ืช: ื™ื“ืขื ื•, ื›ืŸ, ื•ืื ื™ ื•ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜ ืœืื ื’ืœื™ื”, ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืœืื ื’ืœื™ื”, ื•ืงื ื• ืœื ื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ื‘ืืžืช ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื›ืกืฃ ืœืงื ื•ืช ืœื•ืงืกื•ืก ื›ื›ื”, ืžื–ื•ื•ื“ื” ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ืฆื™ื•ื“ ื•ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื” ื”ื›ืœ ืžื•ื›ืŸ, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืœื, ืžื” ืฉื™ืงืจื”, ื™ืงืจื” ื’ื ืขื ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช", ื‘ื–ื” ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžื‘ืกื•ื˜ื™ื, ืžืจื•ืฆื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ืฉืฉืชื™ื ื™ืจื“ื•, ื™ืฉ ืฉื ื™ ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื, ื•ื›ื›ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื‘ืื ื• ืœืื ื’ืœื™ื”, ื ืฉืืจื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื–ืจืงื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืžื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ืžื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื? ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ื“ ืืฆืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืืฆืœ ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืœืžื•ื“, ื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืžืกื’ืจืช, ืื– ืžื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื? ื‘-Lemgo ืื™ืŸ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืื– ื”ื™ื” Detmold, ื–ืืช ืขื™ืจ ืงืจื•ื‘ื”, ืื™ื–ื” ืฉืชื™ื ืขืฉืจื” ืงื™ืœื•ืžื˜ืจ ืžืฉื, ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืกืข ืœืฉื, ื™ืฉื‘ื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืฉืžื” ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื›ืŸ ื›ืคืจ ืคื”, ื›ืคืจ ืฉื, ื•ื’ื™ื™ืกื• ืื™ื–ื” ื—ืžืฉ ืขืฉืจื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืž-Detmold, ื”ืกื›ื™ืžื• ืœืงื—ืช ื™ืœื“, ืฉื ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉ, ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื•ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ื“ื™ืจื”, ื”ืจื™ ื‘ื™ืช ื›ื ืกืช ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื”, ื•ื”ืฉืžืฉ ืฉืœ ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ืงื™ื‘ืœ ื“ื™ืจื”, ื•ื‘ื—ื“ืจ, ื‘ืกืœื•ืŸ ืฉืœื• ืขืฉื• ืคื™ื ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ..., ื”ื•ื ื‘ื›ืชื•ื ืช ืœื™ืœื” ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืคืจ ืชื•ืจื”, ืื—ื“ ืื• ืฉื ื™ื, ื–ื” ืขืžื“ ืฉื ื‘ืคื™ื ื”, ื•ืคื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื•ืฉื™ื‘ ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ ื‘ืืžืฆืข, ื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ื™ื—ื“, ื›ื™ืชื” ื', ื›ื™ืชื” ื‘', ืขื“ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื, ื•ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื™ื”, ื›ื™ ืืช ื›ื•ืœื ื–ืจืงื• ืžื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื ืชืŸ ืœื ื• ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ื, ื•ืืช ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ื”ื™ื” ื”ืงืœื”, ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืคื—ื“ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื’ื™ื“ ืœื™: "ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™" ืื• "ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื”", ื•ื”ื™ื• ืžื™ืœื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ื’ืกื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื ืฉื•ื, ื ื—ืžื“ื™ื, ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ืœื ื ื—ืžื“ื™ื, ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื, ื”ืขื™ืงืจ ืœืžื“ื ื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื‘ืืžืช, ืื ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื’ื ื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื ื•, ืฉืชื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืจืง ื‘ืจื™ืจื” ืœืœื›ืช ืœืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ, "ืื– ืงืฆืช ืชืœืžื“ื• ื’ื ืขื‘ืจื™ืช", ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆื—ืงื ื• ืžื–ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืžื•ื–ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืฉืชืคืกืชื™, ื’ื ื›ืžื” ืฉื™ืจื™ื, ื•ืื”ื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” 39.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืžืžื” ืžืชืคืจื ืกื™ื?
ืช: ื–ื”ื•, ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืงืฉื”, ื’ื•ื™ื™ื ื ืชื ื• ืœื ื• ืžื–ื•ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื‘ืขืจื‘, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื ืกืขื” ืœ-Koeln, ื‘-Koeln ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช ืกืคืจ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ื”ื™ื ื”ืชืงื‘ืœื” ืฉืžื”, ื•ื’ื ื’ืจื” ืืฆืœ ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืื ื• ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื‘ืฉื‘ืช ื•ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืจืขื‘ื™ื, ื›ื™ ืœื›ืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกืคื™ืง ืื•ื›ืœ, ื•ืžื™ ืกื‘ืœ? ืื ื—ื ื•, ืื– ื›ืฉื‘ืื ื•, ื”ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื™ืฉืจ: "ื˜ื•ื‘, ื”ื™ื ืื•ื›ืœืช, ื™ื•ืคื™", ืœืืžื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ืชืขืฉื™, ืชืขืฉื™", ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืœื›ื ื• ื‘ืขืจื‘ ื‘ืฉื“ืจื” ื›ื–ื• ืฉืงื˜ื”, ื•ืขื‘ืจื” ืื™ื–ื• ืื™ืฉื”, ื ืชื ื” ืœื™ ืกืœ ืžืœื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ืœื ืจืื™ื ื•, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื‘ืฉืงื˜, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื”, ืื• ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ื–ื• ื—ื ื•ืช, ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœื‘ื• ื›ืžื• ืคื”, ืœื ืกื•ืคืจ, ืฉื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœื™ ืชืžื™ื“: "ืชืขืžื“ื™ ื‘ืฆื“", ื—ื™ื›ื™ืชื™ ืขื“ ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื”ืœื›ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืœื™ ืžื›ืœ ื˜ื•ื‘, ื–ื” ืื ืฉื™ื, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ืืฉื›ื—, ืฉื”ื ื”ืฆื™ืœื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ืชืจื ื’ื•ืœืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ื ื‘ื™ืฆื” ืœืืžื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงื˜ื ืฆ'ื™ืง, ื ื•ืœื“, ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ืกืชื“ืจื ื•.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืืช ืžืชืืจืช, ืฉื”ืื•ื›ืœื•ืกื™ื™ื” ื‘-Lemgo ืžืชื—ืช, ื›ื›ื” ื‘ืื™ืŸ ืจื•ืื”, ื“ืื’ื” ืœื›ื, ืกื™ืคืงื” ืœื›ื ืžื–ื•ืŸ.
ืช: ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื›ืืœื” ืฉื”ืœืฉื™ื ื•, ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“, ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืงื ื” ื’ื [...], ื•ื–ื” ืขื•ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืžื›ืจ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื– ืื™ื–ื” ืื™ื›ืจ ื‘ื ืœืžื›ื•ืจ, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืขืžื“ ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื“ืœืช, ื–ื” ืœืžื—ืจืช ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ, ื”ืื™ื›ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื‘ื ืœื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืœืžื›ื•ืจ, ืื– ืื—ืจื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื‘ืื•, ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื”ื™ื•ื, ืื—ืจื™ื ืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืœื™ืœื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฆื‘ ื”ื–ื”, ื”ื•ื ืžืœื•ื•ื” ื‘ืคื—ื“, ื‘ื“ื™ื›ืื•ืŸ, ื‘ืžื”? ืื™ืš ืืชื ืžื’ื™ื‘ื™ื ืืœื™ื•?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ื“ื•ื•ืงื ืžืื•ื“ ืขืœื™ื–ื™ื ืชืžื™ื“, ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžืœืืช ื—ื™ื™ื, ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื—ืกืจ ื›ืœื•ื, ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืงืจื—, ื•ืื ืœื ืขืœ ื”ืงืจื—, ืขื ื”ื’ืœื’ืœื™ื, ื•ื›ืœ ื›ืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™, ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื” ืœื‘ื“, ืื ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืงื ื•ืช ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืจื•ืจ, ื•ืœื ืจืฆื™ื ื• ืœื•ื•ืชืจ, ื•ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ื’ื ื ืกืขื” ืขื ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื, ื•ืฉืชื™ื ื• ื ืกืขื ื• ืœื›ืคืจ, ืœืื™ื›ืจื™ื, ื—ื™ืคืฉื ื• ืฉืžื”, ื ืชื ื• ืœื ื• ืœื—ืคืฉ ื‘ื™ืฆื™ื ื•ืคื™ืจื•ืช, ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืขื–ืจื• ืœื ื•.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืช ืžืชื‘ื•ื ื ืช ื”ื™ื•ื ืขืœ ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ื’ื ืžื” ืงืจื” ืื—ืจ ื›ืš, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ, ืืชื ืื•ืคื˜ื™ืžื™ื™ื? ืื ืืชื ืื•ืคื˜ื™ืžื™ื™ื, ืœืžื” ืืชื ืื•ืคื˜ื™ืžื™ื™ื, ืœืžื”?
ืช: ื›ื™ ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื›ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืขืœ ืคื•ืœื ื™ื, ืื– ื“ื•ื“ ืื—ื“, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจื‘, ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืž-Berlin, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืกื™ืคืจ: "ืืชื ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ืžื” ื”ื•ืœืš ืฉื, ื‘ืื™ื ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ืงืคื˜ื ื™ื, ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืœื ื• ื‘ื•ืฉื•ืช", ื›ื›ื” ื”ื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ืืช ื–ื”, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, [...].
ืฉ: [...]?
ืช: ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืืชื™ ืคืขื ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ืขื ื‘ืขืœื™, ืื– ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื’ื‘ื•ื”, ื–ื” ื‘ืขืฆื ื‘ื™ืช ืกืคืจ ื‘ืขืจื‘, ืฉืœื•ืžื“ื™ื, ื”ืฆื™ื’ื• ืืช ื”ืกืคืจ ืฉืœื™, ื”ืกืคืจ ืฉืžื”, ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ื”ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœื™ ืฉื–ื” ื ื”ื•ื’ ืฉืงื•ืจืื™ื ืžื–ื”, ืœืงืจื•ื, ืœืฉื‘ืช ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืžื”, ื‘-Aula, ืœื, ื–ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืžื™ื“ื™ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™, ืื– ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ืื‘ืœ ื›ื›ื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื", ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœืื” ืคืœื™ื™ืฉืžืŸ, ื”ื™ื• ืื™ื’ืœ ื“ื•ื™ื™ืฉืงืจื•ืŸ, ื•"ืืช ื›ืชื‘ืช, ืื– ืืช ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ื’ื ืœืงืจื•ื", ืืžืจืชื™ ืฉื”ืžื•ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืฉื”ื™ื ื‘ื™ืงืฉื” ืžืžื ื™, ืฉื”ื™ื ืชืงืจื ืืช ื–ื”, ืงืฆืช ื”ื™ื ื•ืงืฆืช ืื ื™ ื•ืื•ืœื™ ืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื ื’ื, ื”ื›ื™ื ื• ืืช ื”ื‘ืžื”, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืœื ืžืœื ืขื“ ืืคืก ืžืงื•ื, ื•ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœืงืจื•ื, ืื ื™ ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ืœื™, ืžื” ื”ื›ื™ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ืื– ืงืจืืชื™ ื’ื, ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”ื: "ืืชื ื”ืจื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”", ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื™ื“ื•ืขื™ื, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจ'ืžืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ืขื–ืจื• ืœื›ื, ืกืคืจื™ ืขืœ...
ืช: ื–ื”ื•, ืื ื™ ืžื’ื™ืขื” ืœื–ื”, ืื– ืืžืจืชื™, ื›ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ื•ืจื, ื”ื™ื• ืื ืฉื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ืฉืขื–ืจื• ืœื ื•, ื›ื™ ืื™ืฉื” ืื—ืช ืงืžื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”: "ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ื’ื ืขื–ืจื ื• ืœื›ื", ืืžืจืชื™: "ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื’ื ืžื’ื™ืขื” ืœื–ื”, ืืชื ืขื–ืจืชื ืœื ื•, ื”ืœื›ื ื• ื‘ืขืจื‘ ื•ื–ื”, ื•ื ืชืชื ืœื ื•, ื•ืฉืœื—ืชื ืœื ื•, ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื˜ื™ื™ืœ ืขื ืื•ืจื™ ืขื ื”ืขื’ืœื”, ืื– ื”ื ื”ืจื™ืžื• ืืช ื”ืฉืžื™ื›ื” ื•ืฉืžื• ืžืชื—ืช ืœืฉืžื™ื›ื” ื ืงื ื™ืง, ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ื—ื•ืฅ", ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื ื™ ืœื ืฉื›ื—ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ืžืงืจื”, ืฉืื ื™ ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืžื”ืžื—ื ื”, ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ืฉืชื™ ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช, ื›ื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืœืืŸ ืœืœื›ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ื›ืขืกืชื™ ืขืœ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื•ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืขืฅ ื•ืœื“ื‘ืจ, ืจืง ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉื”ื‘ืขืœ ื”ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื, ืฉืืžืจ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ: "ืชื‘ืจื—ื•", ื•ืขื•ื“ ืื™ื–ื• ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื”ื ืงื•ืžื•ื ื™ืกื˜ื™ื, ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื ื›ืœื•ื, ืคื’ืฉืชื™, ื•ืœืืœื” ื”ืœื›ืชื™, ื–ื” ืฉืจืฆื” ืœืขื–ื•ืจ"...
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ืกื“ืจ ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ, ื‘ื•ืื™ ื ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืฉื ืช 41, ื‘ืฉื ืช 41 ื ื•ืœื“ ืื—ื™ืš ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื—, ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืชืงื•ืคื” ืืžืจืช ืฉืืชื ืžืกืชื“ืจื™ื, ืื ืฉื™ื ืชื•ืจืžื™ื ืœื›ื, ืื ืฉื™ื ื–ื”, ืืช ื ื•ืกืขืช ืœืขื™ืจ ืกืžื•ื›ื” ื•ืœื•ืžื“ืช ืฉื, ื—ื•ื–ืจืช ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื‘ืกื•ืคื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืข, ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืขื•ื“ ืžืฉื”ื• ืœืชืืจ ืืช ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ื‘ื™ืŸ 38 ืœ41-?
ืช: ืœื ืžืฉื”ื• ืžื™ื•ื—ื“, ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ื”ืชืขืœืžืชื™ ืžื–ื”, ืื ื™, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ื›ื›ื”, ืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ื ื•ืจืžืœื™, ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ื”ืฆื˜ืขืจืชื™, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืœื›ืช ืœื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ื™ื•ื’ื ื“, ืœืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ืžืื•ื“ ืกื‘ืœืชื™ ืžื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืจืื™ืชื™, ืื™ืŸ ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืžืงืจื‘ ืื•ืชืš ืœื™ื”ื“ื•ืช, ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืืช...
ืช: ืื ื™ ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื”, ื•ืื– ืื™ืŸ ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืขื•ืžื“ืช ื‘ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืืช ืžื›ื™ืจื” ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืฉืžืชื ืฆืจื•ืช, ืžื—ืœื™ื˜ื•ืช ืœื”ืชื ืฆืจ?
ืช: ืœื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžืงืจื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื™ื”ื“ื•ืช, ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื™ื”ื“ื•ืช, ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื—ื–ืง, ื›ื™ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžื• ื‘ืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื”, ืื™ืŸ ืคื” ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืขืช, ืฉืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœืื‘ื: "ื–ื” ืขื•ื“ ืžืขื˜ ืคืกื—, ืืชื” ืชืขืฉื” ืกื“ืจ?", ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืืžื, ืชืขื–ื‘ื™ ืื•ืชื™, ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืจืืฉ ืœื–ื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ื“ืื’ื•ืช ื•ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืฆืจื•ืช", ืื– ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืื ื™ ืืขืฉื” ืืช ื”ืกื“ืจ, ื™ื”ื™ื” ืกื“ืจ", ื•ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืฉื”ื™ื” ืกื“ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื›ื ืจืื” ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืžืฆื•ืช, ื•ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืขืฉืชื” ืืช ื”ืฉืžืืœืฅ ืขืœ ื”ืžืฆื•ืช, ื•ื’ื™ื™ืกื• ืžื”ื’ื•ื™ื™ื, ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื• ื—ื’ ืœื–ื”, ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื•, ื•ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ืื•ืžื ื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ื ื•ืจื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื•ืกื‘ืœืชื™ ืžื–ื”, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืœื›ืช ืœืจื—ื•ื‘ ื›ืžื• ื›ื•ืœื, ื•ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ื‘ื ืœืขื™ื™ืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ, ื•ืืกื•ืจ ืœื™ ืื‘ืœ ืœืขืžื•ื“ ืงื“ื™ืžื”, ื›ืœ ื‘ืชื™ ื”ืกืคืจ ืขื ื“ื’ืœื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื ืขืžื“ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืงื‘ืœืช ื“ื’ืœ ื‘ื™ื“, ืื™ืš ืื ื™ ืืจืื” ืืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ?
ืฉ: ืœื›ื‘ื•ื“ ืžื” ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืœืขื™ื™ืจื”?
ืช: ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืœื‘ืงืจ, ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข, ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ืื™ืš ืื•ืžืจื™ื, ืคืจืกื•ืžืช ืœืขืฆืžื• ืœื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืขืžื“ ื‘ื’'ื™ืค ื•ื‘ืื•ื˜ื• ื›ื›ื”, ืขื ื”ื™ื“ ื•ื–ื”, ื•ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืจื™ืขื•, ื•ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ื’, ื•ื™ืฉ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืžืฉื, ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืื” ืื•ืชื, ืื– ื›ืœ ื‘ื™ืช ืžืœื ื“ื’ืœื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ื•ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ืฉื’ืชื™ ืžืงื•ื, ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืคื” ืจืื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ" ื•ืจืื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ, ื•ื‘ืœื•ื–'ื”, ืขื•ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืžืืœื” ืฉืขืžื“ื• ื‘ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืขืœื™ืชื™ ืœื—ืœื•ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ื•ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจืช ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจืช ืœื”ื, ืฉืžืื•ื“ ื›ืขืกืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ื ืืฆื™ื, ื•ืžืื•ื“ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื ืงื•ื, ื•ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืกื™ืคืจื•: "ื”ื•ื ื ืืฆื™, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื–ื”ืจ ืžืžื ื•", ื•ื”ื•ื ื—ื™ืœืง ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช, ืื– ืขื ื”ื“ื•ืืจ ื–ื” ืขื•ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืขื ืœื—ืœืง, ืœื ื›ืžื• ืฉื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื›ืœ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื’ื ื—ื™ืœืง ืืœื™ื ื•, ื›ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื•, ื•ืื ื™ ืžืœืžืขืœื”, ืžื”ื—ืœื•ืŸ ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™, ื•ื—ื™ื›ื™ืชื™, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ืฆื˜ืจืš ืœืžื˜ื” ืœื—ื›ื•ืช, ืขื“ ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ื ืœืคืชื•ื— ืืช ื”ื“ืœืช, ื•ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื™ืจื•ืง ืœื• ืขืœ ื”ืจืืฉ, ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื™ืจื•ืง ืขืœ ื”ืจืืฉ, ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืกืงื ื“ืœ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ืกืงื ื“ืœ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื•ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืคื—ื“ื•, ื•ื•ืื™, ื•ื•ืื™, ืžื” ื™ื”ื™ื”, ืžื” ื”ื•ื ื™ืขืฉื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืŸ ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœ ืื—ืช ืฉืœื ื•, ืฉืžืื•ื“ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื™ื“ื™ื“ื•ืช ืื™ืชื ื•, ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื ื•ืช, ืฉื”ื™ื ื ืชื ื” ืœื ื• ืชืžื™ื“..., ืžื”ืจ ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืจืฆื” ืœืฉืžื”, ืืžืจื”: "ืงืจืœื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ืœื“ื” ืจืขื” ืžืื•ื“, ื•ื”ื™ื ืขืฉืชื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืขืฉืชื”, ืชืขืฉื™ ืœื ื• ื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ืชืขื–ืจื™, ืชื’ื™ื“ื™ ืœื• ืฉื”ื™ื ืคืจืื™ืช, ื•ื™ืœื“ื” ืจืขื”, ื”ื™ื ืœื ื”ืชื›ื•ื•ื ื” ืœืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ", ื•ืกื™ื“ืจื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจืช ืืช ื–ื” ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ื, ื›ืžื” ืฉื”ื›ืขืก ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื• ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืฉื”ื ืจืฆื• ืœื“ืขืช ืžื”, ื•ื”ื ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื, ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื ืขื ื”ืžื•ืจื”, ื›ื•ืชื‘ื™ื, ืื– ื”ื ืฉืืœื• ืื•ืชื™, ืื ื™ ืจืง ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš, ืื ืื ื™ ื™ืจืงืชื™ ืœื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ืขืœ ื”ืจืืฉ, ืื– ื”ื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื–ื”..., ืืžืจืชื™: "ืœื, ืœื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ืœื ื™ืจืงืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืจืืฉ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื›ื–ื”".
ืฉ: ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš, ืœืืŸ ืžืชื’ืœื’ืœื™ื ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื›ื, ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืขื ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืขื“ ืžืชื™ ืืชื ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื”?
ืช: ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืืช ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื” ืฉื›ื•ืœื ืžืชื•ื—ื™ื, ืกื‘ืชื ืžืกื‘ื™ืจื” ืœื™..., ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื™ืฉ ืœื” ืกื›ืจืช, ืžืื•ื“ ื—ื•ืœื”, ื•ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื”, ื•ื”ืฉื ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจ'ืžื ื™ืช, ื‘ื’ื™ืœ ื”ืฉื™ืฉื™ื ืขื•ื–ืจืช ืœืืžื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืขื ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง ื•ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืื™ืชื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื›ืžื” ื”ืžืฆื‘ ื’ืจื•ืข, ืื– ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืœื›ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืฉื“ื” ื•ืœื”ืจื•ื•ื™ื— ืœืคื™..., ืขื ืงื•ื˜ืคื™ื ืฉืขื•ืขื™ืช, ืื– ืœืคื™ ื”ืฉืง ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื›ืกืฃ, ืชื•ืช", ื”ื›ืœ ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื•, ื•ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืฉื”ื™ื” ื—ื•ืคืฉ, ื—ื•ืคืฉ ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืื– ืื ื™ ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืงืฉื”, ื•ื›ืœ ืคืจื•ื˜ื” ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื•ื’ื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ืœืงื ื•ืช ืกื—ื•ืจื” ื‘ื–ื•ืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืกื•ื’ ื' ื', ืื‘ืœ ืขื–ืจืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื”.
ืฉ: ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื•ืžืขื™ื ื‘ืœื—ืฉ, ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื“ืขืช ืืช ื–ื”, ืชืชืืจื™ ืœืขืฆืžืš, ืื‘ืœ ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืž-Koeln ื—ื–ืจื”, ื•ืกื™ืคืจื” ืฉืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืฉื‘ืื• ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ืฉืœื—ื• ืœืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“, ืชืœื›ื• ืœื–ื”, ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื ืœื’ื‘ื•ืœ, ื•ืชืขืฉื• ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื, ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ืœื ืจืฆื• ืื•ืชื, ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื˜ืจื’ื“ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื—ื–ืจื” ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช? ืื– ื—ื™ืคืฉื ื• ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืื—ืจืช, ืฉื™ืœืžื• ืžืฉื”ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืžืฉื™ื›ื” ื‘-Koeln, ื•ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื‘ื“ ื”ืจื™, ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื” ื•ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื—ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœ-Warszawa, ืœื’ื˜ื• Warszawa, ื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื‘ื“, ืžืกื›ื ื”...
ืฉ: ื›ื™ ื”ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืื–ืจื—ื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ื”ื ื”ื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืฉืœื•ื— ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื, ืื– ืืžืจื• ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืฉื ื™ื” ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื•...
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืืช ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืฉื ื”, ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืœืฉืœื•ื— ื’ื ืืช ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืื–ืจื—ื™ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืืœ ื”ืžื–ืจื—.
ืช: ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”40- ืœืฉืœื•ื—, ื•ื–ื” ืžื”ืจ.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœืื ืฉื™ื, ืœืืŸ ื”ื ื ื•ืกืขื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืœื ื”ื‘ื ื•, ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ื’ืœื•ื™ื•ืช ืž-Warszawa, ื‘ื’ืœื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ื” ื›ืชื•ื‘..., ืฉืœ ื”ื“ื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉืœื™, "ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘-Warszawa, ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืกืคืจ ื™ืฉื ื™ื", ื”ืจื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ื ืฉืžื”, "ื•ืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ืžื” ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ืชืฉืœื—ื• ืœื ื• ืื•ื›ืœ, ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืชื™ื ืžืจืขื‘", ื•ื•ืื™ ื•ื•ืื™, ืงืจืื ื• ืืช ื–ื”..., ืœื ื• ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื•ื›ืœ, ืžื” ืœื ืขืฉื™ื ื•? ืงื ื•, ื’ื™ื™ืกื•, ืงื™ื‘ืœื•, ืฉืœื—ื ื• ื›ืžื” ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช, ืขื“ ืฉืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ืชืฉื•ื‘ื”, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื™ืงื™ื, ื”ื ืœื ื™ื“ืขื• ืœื”ืกืชื“ืจ, ืื ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื•ื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช, ืื™ืš ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืกื›ื ื™ื, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืืžื™ื“ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ, ืขื‘ื“ื•, ืœืžื“ื•, ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื’'ื•ื‘, ื•ื”ื ื‘ืื™ื ืฉืžื” ืœืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ื•ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื“ืื’ื• ืœืขืฆืžื.
ืฉ: ื ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืืœื™ืš, ืืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื›ื, ืื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ืฉืœื›ื ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”.
ืช: ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื‘ืฆืจื•ืช, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ืžืงื•ื•ื™ื ืฉืžืฉื”ื• ืงื•ืจื”, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืœื—ื‘ืจ, ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืืช ื”ืžืฆื‘.
ืฉ: ืขื“ ืžืชื™ ืืชื ื ืฉืืจื™ื ื‘-Lemgo?
ืช: ืขื“ 41 ื‘ื™ื•ื ื™.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืื–?
ืช: ืžื” ืงื•ืจื”, ื“ืื’ื•ืช, ืจืง ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื’ื™ื™ืก ืื•ื›ืœ, ืื‘ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœืื™ื–ื” ื—ื‘ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื• ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ, ื”ื•ื ืžืคื—ื“, ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื”ื•ื ืžืฆื ืื™ื–ื• ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื•ืื—ื“ ืœืงื— ืื•ืชื•, ืฉืœื ื”ืฆื˜ืจืš ืื•ืชื•, ืจืง ืœืขืฉื•ืช..., ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ื‘ื™ืช ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ืœืขืฆื™ื, ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืืฉ ืฉืžื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ืœื‘ื“, ื”ื•ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ืฉื”ื•ื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขื–ื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ืื‘ื ืขื•ื‘ื“, ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืงืฆืช ืคืจื ืกื”, ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ื‘ื™ื•ื ื™ 41?
ืช: ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื•ืžืขื™ื, ืฉืฉื•ืœื—ื™ื ืืช ืžื” ืฉื ืฉืืจ, ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืื™ืŸ ื›ื‘ืจ ืคืจื•ื˜ืงืฆื™ื”, ืื™ืŸ ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื ืชื™ื ื•ืง, ืื™ืŸ ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื ืื•ืชื•ืช ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื–ื”ื•, ื•ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ื ืœืฉื›ื ื™ื, ืœื’ื•ื™ื™ื ืืจื’ื–ื™ื, ืžื–ื•ื•ื“ื•ืช ืขื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื™ื” ืžืœื ืขื ืžืฆืขื™ื, ืขื ืกื›ื•"ื, ืขื ืคื•ืจืฆืœื ื™ื, ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื™ื” ืžืœื ืžืœื, ื•ืžื” ืฉื”ื‘ื™ืื•, ื ืฉืืจ ืขื•ื“ ืžืกืคื™ืง, ืฉื”ื ื‘ืื™ื, ื”ื ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ื’ื™ื“: "ืคื” ื—ืกืจ", ืื– ื›ืœ ืœื™ืœื” ืืฆืœื ื• ื”ื•ืœืš ืžืฉื”ื•, ื•ืื•ืชื ื•, ื”ืœื’ื”, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื•ืื ื™: "ืฉื‘ื• ื‘ืฉืงื˜", ืœืชื™ื ื•ืง, ืœื™ืœื“ ื”ืงื˜ืŸ ืื™ืŸ ืชืคืงื™ื“, "ืืชื ืชืฉื‘ื• ื‘ืฉืงื˜", ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื•ืžืขื™ื, ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื•ืžืขื™ื, ืœืืŸ ื”ื ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ื•ืžื‘ื™ืื™ื ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ื•ื–ื” ื ื•ืชืŸ ืœื”ื ืื™ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืง, ืฉื”ื ื”ืฆื™ืœื• ืžืฉื”ื•, ืฉื”ื ื”ืฆื™ืœื• ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืขื•ื‘ืจ, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืจืฉื™ืžื”, ืžื” ืืคืฉืจ ืœืงื—ืช, ื•ื–ื” ื ื•ืจื.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืžื—ืœืงื™ื ืืช ื”ืจื›ื•ืฉ, ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœืžื›ืจื™ื ื’ื•ื™ื™ื.
ืช: ืœื ื”ื›ืœ, ืฉื™ื™ืฉืืจ ื›ืื™ืœื• ืฉืขื ื–ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื, ื”ื ืœื ื™ื›ืœื• ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืขืฉืจื™ื ืฆืœื—ื•ืช, ืื– ืฉื”ื™ื• ื—ืžืฉ ืขืฉืจื”, ืขืฉืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ื”ืžื•ืŸ ื”ืžื•ืŸ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ื›ืžื”, ืจืื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”.
ืฉ: ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืชืืจื™ืš ื™ืขื“, ืฉื‘ื• ืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื•ื›ื ื™ื.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืžื›ืชื‘, ื‘28- ืœื™ื•ืœื™, "ืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื”, ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘, ืžื•ืชืจ ืœื›ื ืขืฉืจื™ื ืงื™ืœื• ื–ื”, ืžื•ืชืจ ืœื›ื ื›ืœื™ ืžื™ื˜ื”, ืขืฉืจ ืžืืจืง ื•ืื•ื›ืœ ืœืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื™ืžื™ื", ื•ื–ื”ื•, ื–ื” ืกื•ืคื™, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”..., ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืกื ื“ื•ื•ื™ืฆ'ื™ื, ืœืขืฉื•ืช..., ืžืฉื”ื•, ื›ืœ ื”ืœื™ืœื” ืขื‘ื“ื•, ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืขื ื”ืืžื, ื•ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื“ืื•ื’..., ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœื‘ื™ืช ืกืคืจ, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืž-Koeln ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘-Lemgo, ื•ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื‘-Detmold, ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืคืกื™ืงื• ืขื ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ืฉืžื” ืฉืœื—ื•, ื›ื‘ืจ ื—ืฆื™ ืžื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื•, ืื–...
ืฉ: ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืจืขื™ื•ื ื•ืช, ืžื•ืฉื’, ืื™ื ืคื•ืจืžืฆื™ื”, ืžื” ื”ื•ืœืš?
ืช: ืœื, ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื•ืžืืžื™ื ื™ื ืœื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ืชื•ืคืกืช, ืื™ืš ื”ืืžื™ื ื•.
ืฉ: ืœืžืจื•ืช ืžื” ืฉืฉืžืขืชื ืžื”ื“ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘-Warszawa.
ืช: ืž-Warszawa ืœื ืฉืžืขื ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ื™ื“ืขืชื ืฉื”ื ืจืขื‘ื™ื ื‘-Warszawa, ื•ืฉื”ื ื™ืฉื ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืกืคืจ.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืฉื”ื ืจืขื‘ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื™ืš ืืคืฉืจ, ื›ืœ ื›ืš..., ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืืช ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืžื” ื”ื ื—ืฉื‘ื•.
ืฉ: ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”28- ืœื™ื•ืœื™, ืžื” ืงื•ืจื”?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ืœ ื”ืœื™ืœื” ืœื ื™ืฉื ื•, ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ ืื›ืœื ื• ืืจื•ื—ืช ื‘ื•ืงืจ, ืืžื ื”ื›ื™ื ื”, ื›ืžื• ืชืžื™ื“, ื™ืฉื‘ื ื• ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื”ืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืขื•ื“ ืจืฆืชื” ืœืจื—ื•ืฅ ืืช ื”ื›ืœื™ื, ืื– ืื‘ื ืืžืจ: "ืชืฉืื™ืจื™ ืืช ื”ื›ืœ", ื•ื”ื•ื ื—ื™ืœืง ืื•ืชื ื•, ืกื‘ืชื ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืขื ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื”ืฉื ื™ื”, ื•ืืžื ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืขื ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง ื•ืขื ื”ื™ืœื“, ื•ืื‘ื ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืกื•ื’ืจ, ื–ื” ืžื”ื’ืกื˜ืืคื• ื‘ื, ื”ื•ื ื ื•ืชืŸ ืœื• ืืช ื”ืžืคืชื—, ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืื™ื ืœืžืฉื˜ืจื”, ื–ื” ื‘ื›ื™ื›ืจ, ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ืฉืžื”, ื•ืฉืžื” ื”ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื“ ืืช ื”ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื ืžื—ืคืฉื™ื ื›ืกืฃ, ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืกืชืจื ื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืื• ื–ื”ื‘, ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื”ืกืชืจื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ืกื‘ืชื, ื–ืืช ืฉื‘ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ื”ื™ื ื›ื•ืชื‘ืช, ื‘ืกืคืจ ื”ื™ื ื›ื•ืชื‘ืช, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ืกืชื™ืจื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื” ืขื [...] ื›ืืœื”, ืžื” ืฉื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืืช [...], ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืคื” ืžืื” ืžืืจืง, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื•ืฉืจืช, ืฉื‘ืื ื• ืœ-Terezin, ื•ืฉืขื‘ืจื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื—ืกื•ืžื™ื, ื•ืฉื”ื ื—ื™ืคืฉื•, ื•ืœื ืžืฆืื•, ืœื ื”ื™ื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืœืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืขื ืžืื” ืžืืจืง, ืžื” ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืงื ื•ืช ืžื–ื”? ืœื—ื, ื”ืจื™ ื–ื” ื’ื‘ื•ืจื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืขืฉืชื”, ืื ื”ื™ื• ืชื•ืคืกื™ื ืื•ืชื”, ืขื•ื ืฉ ื•ื–ื”, ื”ืขื™ืงืจ ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื•ืฉืจืช, ื”ื™ื ื ืฉืืจื” ืื™ืชื ื•, ืœื ืžืฆืื ื• ืืช ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื”ืฉื ื™ื”, ื”ื™ื ืœื ื™ื›ืœื” ืœืœื›ืช, ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืœืœื›ืช ืžืชื—ื ืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ืช ืœ-Terezin, ืœืขื™ืจ.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื—ืœืง ืžืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื”, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืืœืฃ ืื™ืฉ, ืžืขืœ ืืœืฃ, ื•ื”ืœื›ื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ืขื’ืœื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืกื—ื‘ื• ืืช ื”ืžื–ื•ื•ื“ื•ืช, ื•ืขืœ ื–ื” ืœืžืขืœื” ื–ืจืงื• ืืช ื”ื–ืงื ื™ื, ืื– ื”ื ื–ืจืงื• ื’ื ืืช ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ืœืžืขืœื”, ื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื™ื›ืœื” ืœืœื›ืช, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืขืœ...
ืกื•ืฃ ืฆื“ ื' ื‘ืงืœื˜ืช ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”
ืช: ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืขืœ ืฉื‘ืขื™ื, ื—ื•ืœื” ื•ืฉื‘ื•ืจื”, ืฉื‘ื•ืจื”, ืฉื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืขืฉืชื” ืœื” ืืช ื–ื”, ืฉืžื”, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื ื• ืœื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืžืขืจื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืื ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘-Terezin, ืื ืืช ืžื›ื™ืจื” ืงืฆืช, ืื– ื™ืฉ ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื›ืืœื”..., ืื– ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ื—ื™ืคืฉื” ืืช ื›ื•ืœื...
ืฉ: ืืชื ื ื•ืกืขื™ื ืืœืฃ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืจื›ื‘ืช, ื›ืžื” ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช, ืœ-Terezin, ื›ืœ ืจื›ื‘ืช ืžืœืื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ืžืœื ืžืœื, ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืžืงื•ื ืœืฉื›ื‘ ื•ืœืฉื‘ืช.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื–ืžืŸ ื ืžืฉื›ืช ื”ื ืกื™ืขื”?
ืช: ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื™ืžื™ื, ื›ื™ ืคื” ื•ืฉื ืฉืžื™ื ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฆื“. ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืกืคืจ ืœืš ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืื—ื“, ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื ืขืœืžื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื–ืจื™ื–ื”, ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืœื—ืคืฉ ืื•ืชื”, ืื ื™ ืžื•ืฆืืช ืื•ืชื” ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื” ื™ื•ืฉื‘ืช, ืžืกื›ื ื”, ืžืฉื”ื• ื ื•ืจื, ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืกื‘ืชื, ื”ื ื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ืคื”", ืื– ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื™ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช: "Der alte Gโ€tt lebt nicht mehr", ืืœื•ืงื™ื ื”ื–ืงืŸ ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช ื ื•ืจื, ืื ื™ ืœื ืืฉื›ื— ืืช ื–ื” ืœืขื•ืœื, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ืฉื” ืžืืžื™ื ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืžืฉื”ื• ืงืจื” ืœื”, ืฉื‘ืจื• ืื•ืชื”, ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™: "ื‘ื•ืื™, ื‘ื•ืื™, ื ื“ืื’ ืœืš, ื”ื›ืœ ื™ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“", ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœ-Terezin, ืกื—ื‘ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืœื›ืช ื•ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืื™ื–ื” ื‘ื™ืช, ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœ ืžืฉืคื—ื”...
ืฉ: ืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื•ืžืจ ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื™ืš ื ืจืื™ื ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืฉืขื•ื–ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ื‘ืชื™ื ืฉืœื”ื, ืขื•ืœื™ื ืขืœ ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ื•ื ืฉืœื—ื™ื ืœืฆ'ื›ื™ื”, ืžื” ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื”ื, ืื™ืš ื”ื ื ืจืื™ื, ืื™ื–ื” ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ืฉื•ืจืจืช ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื”ื ื ืจืื™ื ืžื•ื“ืื’ื™ื, ืื•ืžืœืœื™ื, ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื ืื—ื“ ืขืœ ื”ืฉื ื™, ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื..., ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืœื™, ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื›ื‘ื•ืช, ื•ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื•ืœืš, ืžื•ืจื™ื“ื™ื, ื–ื•ืจืงื™ื, ืขืฆื‘ื ื™ื, ื”ืงื˜ื ืฆ'ื™ืง ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืŸ ืฉื ื” ื•ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉ, ื”ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืžื™ื ื‘ื—ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ื—ืง ืฉืžื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืก ืžืฉื”ื•, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืคืชื— ื›ื›ื” ืœื™ืœื“, ื›ื•ืœื ืฆืขืงื•: "ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืœื ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœืฉืชื•ืช ืืช ื”ืžื™ื, ื•ืœืžื” ืœื ืฉื•ืžืจื™ื", ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ื ื”, ื”ื™ื” ื™ืœื“ ืื—ื“, ืื– ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจ: "ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื–ื” ืžืœื—", ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“ ื›ื–ื”, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืžืœื—ื™ื”, "ืœื ืงื•ืจื” ื›ืœื•ื, ื–ื” ื’ื ืืคื™ืœื• ื‘ืจื™ื", ืื‘ืœ ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืื’ื•ืื™ืกื˜ื™ื, ืขืฆื‘ื ื™ื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“..., ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื”ื—ืœื•ืŸ, ื•ืœื ืฉืžืจืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื, ื•ืžื” ื ืฉืืจ ืœื™? ืœืฉื‘ืช ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื“ืœืช ืฉืœ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืœื›ืช ืœื‘ื™ืช ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ, ืœืงื•ื, ืœืฉื‘ืช, ืœืงื•ื ืœืฉื‘ืช, ืขื“ ืฉื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื ื–ืœ, ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื ืฉืืจ ืœื™, ืื– ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื, ืื™ืŸ ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืืฉืžื”, ืื ื™ ืœื‘ื“ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืกืคื™ืง ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื, ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืชืจืžื™ืœ ืœื‘ื“, ืœืกื“ืจ, ืื– ืžื” ื”ื›ื ืกืชื™? ืฉื˜ื•ื™ื•ืช, ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืขื•ื“ ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืœื—ื ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืขื•ื“ ืื•ืœื™ ืžื™ื, ื•ื‘ื™ืฆื™ื ืฉื‘ื™ืฉืœื•, ื”ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืงืฆืช ืฉื˜ื•ื™ื•ืช, ืื– ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืืช ืืฉืžื”", ืื‘ืœ ื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ื ืฉืืจ, ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืฉืžื”, ืžืœื, ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ืื—ื“, ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืงื ื™ื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื‘ื™ืช ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ, ืื ื™ ืœื ืืฉื›ื— ืืช ื–ื” ืฉืขืžื“ื• ื‘ืชื•ืจ, ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื›ืœ ื”ืœื™ืœื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื™ืฆืื ื• ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ืกืชื“ืจื ื•, ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืœืงื— ืืช ื”ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ื‘ื™ื“ื™ื™ื, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืื“ืžื”, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ืคื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื—ืคื•ืจ ื•ืœืขืฉื•ืช"..., ืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ืœื˜ืจื™ื ื”, ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ืœืื ืฉื™ื, ื›ื™ ื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื•ืœืš, ื•ืชื›ืฃ ืžื—ืœื•ืช, ืžื—ืœื•ืช ืขืœ ืžื—ืœื•ืช, ืื– ื‘ืื• ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื•ืืžืจื• ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื: "ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื‘ื™ืช ื‘-Terezin, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื›ื ื™ืกื™ื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื–ื” ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืกื˜ื™ื, ืžื™ ืฉืจื•ืฆื”", ืื ื™ ื”ืชื ื“ื‘ืชื™ ื™ืฉืจ ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืฉื, ื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื•, ื•ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”? ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื ื‘ื ื•ืช ื‘ื—ื“ืจ, ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื”, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื’ื™ื™ืกื• ืœื ื• ืžื™ื˜ื•ืช ืขืœ ืงื•ืžื•ืช, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืฆืœื”, ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื”ื•ื ื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื ื•, ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ืฆืขื™ืจ, ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืขืœื™ื•, ืคืจื“ื™ ื”ื™ืจืฉ, ืื ืฉืžืขืช ืืช ื”ืฉื, ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ืฆ'ื›ื™, ื–ื™ื’ื™ ืงืจื ื™ื–ื™ื™ื‘ืกืงื™, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš, ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื ื™ ืขืฉืจื™ื ื•ืžืฉื”ื•, ืฉื ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉ, ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื•ื’ื ื‘ื ื•ืช ืžืฆ'ื›ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืืช ื”ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ื‘ื™ื“ื™ื™ื, ื—ื™ืœืงื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื•ืืžืจื• ืœื ื•: "ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื–ื” ื”ืขืชื™ื“ ืฉืœื ื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืขืชื™ื“", ื•ื–ื” ื ื›ื ืก ืœื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ืœืจืืฉ, ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื” ืื ื™ ื’ื ื‘ืืจืฅ, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ืจื“ืชื™ ืžื–ื”, ืื ื™ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื”..., ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื–ื›ื” ืœื‘ื•ื ืœื›ืืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื ืฉืืจืชื™ ื‘ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืจืง ื›ืืœื” ืฉื”ืœื›ื• ืœืืžืจื™ืงื” ื•ื”ืœื›ื• ืœืืจื’ื ื˜ื™ื ื”.
ืฉ: ืืช ืžืฆื˜ืจืคืช ืคื” ื‘-Terezin ืœืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืžืื•ื“.
ืฉ: ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืชืš ื–ืืช ืคืขื ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืฉืืช ืžืชื•ื•ื“ืขืช ืœืฆื™ื•ื ื•ืช.
ืช: ื›ืŸ.
ืฉ: ื•ืื ื™ ืžื‘ื™ื ื” ืฉื–ื” ืฉื•ืื‘ ืื•ืชืš ืคื ื™ืžื”.
ืช: ื–ื” ืฉื•ืื‘ ืื•ืชื™, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื ืœื”ื‘ืช, ืื ื™ ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืจืง ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ "ืฉืœื•ื", ื•ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืงืฆืช ื›ืžื” ืžื™ืœื™ื ื•ื”ืขืจื™ืฆื• ืืช ืคืจื“ื™ ื”ื™ืจืฉ.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืฉื•ืื‘ ืื•ืชืš, ืžื” ืชื•ืคืก ืื•ืชืš ื›ืœ ื›ืš?
ืช: ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื–ื” ื”ืืจืฅ ืฉืœื ื•.
ืฉ: ืฉืžืขืช ืขืœ ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ ืงื•ื“ื?
ืช: ื‘ืงื•ืฉื™, ื’ื ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืฉืžื•ืข, ื•ื›ืฉืืžืจื•: "ืชืœื›ื• ืœืคืœืกื˜ื™ื ื”", ื ืขืœื‘ืชื™, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ืžื” ืœื™ ื•ืœืคืœืกื˜ื™ื ื”? ืื‘ืœ ืคื” ืื ื™...
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื”ืื™ืฉื™ื•ืช ื”ื›ืจื™ื–ืžื˜ื™ืช ืฉืœ ืคืจื“ื™ ื”ื™ืจืฉ? ืžื” ืขื•ืฉื” ืืฆืœืš ืืช ื”ืžื”ืคืš ื”ื–ื”?
ืช: ื’ื, ื•ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ื‘ื ื•ืช ืฉืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื™ืคื”, ื”ืกื‘ื™ืจื• ืœื ื•, ื•ืืžืจื• ืœื ื•: "ืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืœืžื•ื“, ืœื ืœืžื“ืชื ื›ืœื•ื, ื•ืืชื ืชืจืื•, ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื•ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืฉืจื•ื“, ืœื—ื™ื•ืช".
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ืืชื ืžืชืงืฉืจื™ื ืขื ื™ืœื™ื“ื™ ืฆ'ื›ื™ื”, ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืฉืคื” ืืชื ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื?
ืช: ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ืจืง ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืžืื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื” ื‘ื ื•ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืื– ืื ื™ ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™ ืคื” ื‘ืืจืฅ, ื‘ื ืื•ืช ืžืจื“ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ื”ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื” ืฉืœื ื•, ืžืื•ื“ ืื™ื ื˜ืœื™ื’ื ื˜ื™ืช, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืกื˜ื•ื“ื ื˜ื™ืช ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฆ'ื›ื™ื”, ืื– ืืžืจืชื™: "ืชื’ื™ื“ื™ ืœื™, ืžื” ื—ืฉื‘ืช ืขืœื™ื ื•?", ืื– ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœื™: "ืื ื™ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™, ืฉืืชื ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ื˜ื™ืคืฉื™ื, ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื›ืœื•ื, ืื™ืŸ ืœื›ื ื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ", ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ืฉืžื—ื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ืฆืœื™ื—ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืœื™ืžื“ื” ืื•ืชื ื• ืฉื™ืจื™ื, ื‘ืขืจื‘, ื—ื•ืฉืš, ืกื™ืคืจื” ืœื ื•, ื•ืื—ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืขื•ื“ ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ื”ื ืงื” ื”ื–ืืช ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืช ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืฉื“ื” ืืœื™ื”ื•, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืžื ื”ืœืช ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”? ื—ืงืœืื•ืช, ืื– ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืžื” ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ, ืžืชืžื˜ื™ืงื”?", ื›ืœื•ื ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื•, ืžื” ืฉืœืžื“ื ื• ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื–ื” ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกืคื™ืง, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื–ื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื ืขืฉืชื” ืžืฉื˜ื— ืขื ืžืงืœ: "ื‘ื•ืื• ื ืขืฉื” ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ", ืชืชืืจื™ ืœืขืฆืžืš, ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืขืฉืชื” ืื™ืชื ื•.
ืฉ: ืืช ืœื ืžืชื’ื•ืจืจืช ืขื ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ืืช ืžืชื’ื•ืจืจืช ืขื ื”ื ื•ืขืจ.
ืช: ืื ื™ ื’ืจื” ืขื ื”ื ื•ืขืจ ื•ืžืื•ืฉืจืช, ื—ื‘ืจื” ื•ืขื•ื“ ื—ื‘ืจื”, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื ื”ืฆื’ื”, ื•ืคืจื“ื™ ื”ื™ืจืฉ ื“ืื’ ืœื ื• ืฉื ืงื‘ืœ ื—ื•ืžืจ, ื•ื—ื•ื’ื’ื™ื ืืช ื”ื—ื’ื™ื, ืžืกืคืจื™ื ืœื ื•, ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื” ืืช ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืืคื™ืœื• ืฉื™ืคืจื™ืขื• ืœื ื•.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืžืชื’ืžื“ืช ืœืขื•ืžืช ื”ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ื”ืื™ืฉื™ืช ืฉืœืš, ืฉืœ ื”ืชื‘ื’ืจื•ืช, ืฆื™ื•ื ื•ืช.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ื ื”, ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืื™ื–ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืืช ื”ืฉื, ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืœื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ื‘ื—ืงืœืื•ืช, ื™ืฉ ืชื•ืœืขื™ื, ืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ืžื” ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ื ืื›ืœ ืชื•ืœืขื™ื", ื•ื”ื•ื ืœืงื— ืชื•ืœืขืช ื‘ืคื”, ืื ื”ื•ื ื’ืžืจ ืื•ืชื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจืช, ืื ื™ ืžื” ื–ื”, ืžืจื•ื‘ ื”ืชืœื”ื‘ื•ืช ื™ืฉืจ ืชื•ืœืขืช ืœืคื”, ืžื•ื›ื ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื–ื” ื ื›ื ืก ื‘ื™ ื—ื–ืง ืžืื•ื“, ื›ื›ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืื™ืŸ ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืื—ื•ืชืš ื’ื ืœื•ืงื—ืช ื—ืœืง ื‘ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ืœืฉื, ื–ื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืžืื•ื“, ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ืœืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืฆืจื•ืช ืฆืจื•ืจื•ืช, ื”ืกื‘ืชื ืžืชื” ืฉื™ืฉื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื•, ืืžื ืฉืœ ืื‘ื, ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”: "ืืœื•ืงื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื", ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื” ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืกื•ืฃ, ื”ื™ื ืžืชื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืื™ื•ืžื”, ืžืจืขื‘, ืื‘ื ื‘ื ืืœื™ ืœืฉืžื”, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™: "ืืช ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืขื•ื“ ืœื‘ื•ื ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช ื”ืกื‘ืชื", ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืจืฆืชื™ ืœืฉืžื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื”..., ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘-Terezin, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉืžื”, ื•ื–ื” ื›ื•ืื‘ ืžืื•ื“ ืœืจืื•ืช, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ืฉื›ื‘ื• ืื—ื“ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืžืื•ืช ืฉืžืชื•, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ืฉื”ืœื›ื• ืœืžื•ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื, ื•ื”ื™ื ืขื•ื“ ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืื™ืชื™ ื›ืžื” ืžื™ืœื™ื, ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื”, ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื™ืจื” ืื•ืชื™, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื” ืขื•ื“, ืื™ืฉื”, ืื™ืฉื™ื•ืช, ืคืงื—ื™ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ื™ื“ืขื” ืืช ื’ืชื” ื•ืฉื™ืœืจ, ืžืฉื”ื• ืœื ื™ืื•ืžืŸ, ื”ื™ื ื ืคื˜ืจื”, ื•ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื”ืฉื ื™ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ืชื ื•, ื“ืื’ื” ืžืื•ื“, ื›ื™ ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“, ืžื™ ืฉืœื ืขื‘ื“, ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืื•ื›ืœ ืžืกืคื™ืง, ืื– ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืื•ืจื™ืืœ ื•ืœื•ื˜ื‘ื™ื’, ื•ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืขื‘ื“ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื—ืœืชื”, ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ืœืฉื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ื”ื™ื ื ืฉืืจื”, ื•ืขื•ื“ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืงืจื•ื‘ื™ื, ื”ื ืžืฆืื• ืฉืžื” ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืžืจื—ื•ืง ืขื•ื“ ืื™ื–ื” ื“ื•ื“, ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืื• ืœืืžื ืฉืœื™, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื” ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืžื˜ื‘ื—, ื•ื’ื™ื™ืกื” ืงืฆืช ืื•ื›ืœ ืคื”, ืงืฆืช ืื•ื›ืœ ืฉื, ื•ื“ืื’ื”, ื“ืื’ื” ืœืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืื ื™ ื‘ืืชื™ ืœื‘ืงืจ ืื•ืชื” ื‘ืขืจื‘, ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืจืื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืžืฆื‘, ืื– ื’ื ื‘ืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ืžืกืœืง ืขืœื™ื, ื•ื–ื” ื›ืžื• ื˜ืจื“, ืืžืจืชื™ ืœืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืœื‘ืฉืœ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืฉืžืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืคื” ื•ืคื” ื•ืคื”, ื•ืืช ื–ื” ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืงื˜ื ืฆ'ื™ืง, ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืžื™ื ื™ื, ื•ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื“ืจืฉืชื™ ื›ืœื•ื, ื›ืฉื”ื ื’ื™ื™ืกื• ืื™ื–ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ืงื˜ื ืฆ'ื™ืง ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื”, ื‘ืŸ ืฉื ื” ื•ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉ, ื˜ื•ื‘ ื”ื•ื ื’ื“ืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืจืื” ืจืง..., ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืกื™ืจ ืงื˜ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืขื ื”ืกื™ืจ, ื›ืฉืขืžื“ื• ื‘ืชื•ืจ, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš, ืื‘ืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื ืชื ื•, ืื– ืคื” ื•ืฉื ื›ืฃ, ืคื” ื›ืฃ ื•ืคื” ื›ืฃ, ื›ื›ื” ื”ื•ื..., ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื™ืคื” ื”ื™ืœื“ ื”ื–ื”..., ืžืื•ื“ ื™ืคื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื”ืกืชื›ืœ, ืขืฉื• ืฉื ืœื˜ืจื™ื ื”, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ืกืชื›ืœ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืขื•ืœื ืฉืœื•, ืื ื™ ื‘ืืชื™, ืื– ืื‘ื ืื•ืžืจ ืœื™: "ื‘ื•ืื™ ืชืจืื™ ืžืฉื”ื•, ื›ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืœื˜ืจื™ื ื”, ืืช ืชืจืื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืจืื•ืช", ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื•, ื•ื”ื™ื” ื”ืฆืœื‘ ื”ืื“ื•ื, ืื– ื”ื ืฉืžื• ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื—ืœื•ืŸ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ืœื“ ื‘ืœื•ื ื“ื™ื ื™ ืขื ืฉื™ืขืจ ืืจื•ืš, ื•ืžื” ื–ื” ืขื–ืจ? ื”ื ื—ืฉื‘ื• ืื•ืœื™ ืจื—ืžื ื•ืช, ืื™ืคื”, ื–ื” ืœื ืขื–ืจ, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™, ื•ืคืขื ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืคืฉืคืฉื™ื, ื›ื™ื ื™ื, ืื– ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉืžื” ืœื‘ื ื•ืช, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืืžื, ืื– ืืžื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืชืœื›ื™, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื ืชืคื•ืก ืืช ื–ื”", ืืช ืžื‘ื™ื ื”, ืื– ื”ืœื›ื ื• ื•ื”ื•ืจื“ื ื• ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ืฉืขืจื•ืช ื•ื“ืื’ื ื• ืœืขืฆืžื ื•, ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช.
ืฉ: [...] ื‘-Terezin?
ืช: ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ื•ืจื‘ืข.
ืฉ: ืื– ืื ื™ ืื‘ืงืฉ ืฉืชืฆื™ื™ื ื™ ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืงืฉื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘-Terezin.
ืช: ื”ืงืฉื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื—ืœื™ื ื• ื‘ืื™ื ืกืคืœื™ื˜ื™ืก, ืื™ื ืกืคืœื™ื˜ื™ืก ื–ื• ืžื—ืœื”...
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื›ืชื•ืฆืื” ืžื”ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ื” ื“ืœืงืช ืงืจื•ื ื”ืžื•ื—, ื™ืฉ ืœื–ื”..., ืื™ื ืกืคืœื™ื˜ื™ืก, ืื ื–ื” ืžื’ืคื”, ืื– ื–ื” ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืงืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ืžืงืจื™ื ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• [...], ื›ืžื• ืฉืื•ืžืจื™ื, ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื“ื™ ื“ื™ ืคื’ื•ืขื™ื, ื•ื”ื ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื• ืœื”ื›ื ื™ืก ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื‘ื™ื“ื•ื“, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื ื•ืจื, ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืคืชืื•ื ื›ื•ืœื ืœื ืœืจืื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘, ื•ืœื ื™ืฉืจ ื•ื–ื”, ื•ื—ื™ืœืงื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื‘ืชื™ ื—ื•ืœื™ื, ื–ื” ืฉื™ื ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื’ื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื™ืฆืื• ืžื–ื”, ื™ืฉ ื›ืืœื” ืฉืขื•ื“ ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืกื•ื‘ืœื™ื ืžื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืืช ื—ืœื™ืช ื‘ื–ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ืœื™ืชื™ ื‘ื–ื” ื’ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ืืžืจืชื™, ื›ืฉื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ, "ื–ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื‘ืจืืฉ, ื–ื” ืœื ื ื•ืจื, ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืชื’ื‘ืจ", ืคื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืื ื™ ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื›ื–ื” ื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื ืกื’ื•ืจ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื ื•ืจื, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืกื’ื•ืจื™ื, ืžื” ื–ื”, ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืกื’ื•ืจ, ื—ืœื•ื ื•ืช, ื•ืœื ื™ื›ืœื• ืœื’ืฉืช ืืœื™ื ื•, ื•ื—ื‘ืจื” ืื—ืช ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืžื‘ื•ืœื‘ืœืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ื—ื™ื”, ื”ื™ื ื‘ืืžืจื™ืงื”, ืื‘ืœ ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉืžืื– ื”ื™ื ืœื ืื•ืชื• ื”ื‘ืŸ ืื“ื, ื”ื™ื ืžืฉื•ื ื” ืžืื•ื“, ืื‘ืœ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช, ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืฉื•ื ื”...
ืฉ: ืžื” ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืฉืžื—ืœื™ื˜ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื ืขื ื‘ื™ื“ื•ื“, ื”ืจื™ ืœื ื‘ืืžืช ืื›ืคืช ืœื”ื.
ืช: ืื– ื–ื”ื•, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘-Terezin ืžื•ื–ืจ ืžืื•ื“, ืฉื”ื ืขืฉื• ื‘ื™ื“ื•ื“, ืื• ืฉื”ื™ื” ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก, ืื– ื”ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ืื— ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื”, ืื– ื”ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื ืœื‘ื™ื“ื•ื“.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืžืฆื“ ืื—ื“ ื”ื ืžืขื ื™ืงื™ื ื˜ื™ืคื•ืœ ืจืคื•ืื™, ื•ืžืฆื“ ืฉื ื™ ืฉื•ืœื—ื™ื ืœื”ืฉืžื“ื”.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ืจื•ืคืื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื ืœื•ื—ืžื™ื ืœืงื‘ืœ ืชืจื•ืคื•ืช ื•ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืขืœ ื•ืžืขื‘ืจ, ื”ื ืขืฉื• ืืคื™ืœื• ื ื™ืชื•ื—ื™ื, ื•ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ืžื•ื–ืจ, ืžื” ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื‘ืจืืฉ ืœืขืฉื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื–ืžืŸ ืืช ื—ื•ืœื”?
ืช: ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื•ื›ืฉืืช ื—ื•ื–ืจืช ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”?
ืช: ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื—ื•ื–ืจืช ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”, ืื– ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืขื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื•ืฆืจื™ืš ืืช ื”ืขืžื“ื”, ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืฉืžื”, ืœื ืœืื‘ื“ ืืช ื”ืขืžื“ื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื ื ืžืฆืื™ื ื‘-Terezin, ื™ืฉ ืฉืžื•ืขื•ืช, ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืžื•ืฉื’ ืฉืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœ-Terezin ืžืฉืžื™ื“ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื’ื–?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื›ืฉื”ืœื›ื• ื”ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื ืœ-Auschwitz, ืื– ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืฉืืžืจื•, ืฉื”ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ืฉื—ื–ืจื•, ื”ื™ื” ื›ืชื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื–ื”, "ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœ-Auschwitz", ืื– ืžื”? ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœ-Auschwitz, ืœื ื”ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืจืง ืขื ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื’ื ืœื, ื•ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื•ืžืœืœื”, ื”ื™ื ืจืฆืชื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืขื ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ื’ื ืื ื™, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืฆืžืื™ืช, ืื– ืฉืžืขื ื• ืฉืœืื• ื‘ืง, ื”ืจื‘ ืœืื• ื‘ืง ื”ื•ื ื‘ื™ื•ื“ื ืจืื˜, ื•ืืคืฉืจ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืื™ืชื•, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ืฉืคื™ืข ืขืœื™ื•, ื•ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื ื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืžื•ื“ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ ื•ืœื—ื›ื•ืช, ืขื“ ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื•ืฆื, ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™, ื—ื™ื›ื™ืชื™ ืœื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืคื™ืข, ื•ืจืฆื ื•, ื•ืืžืจื ื•, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ื•ื”ืื—ื™ื ื‘ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืœื, ืœื ื‘ื ื‘ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ", ืืžืจื ื•: "ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืขื•ื–ืจืช ืœืืžื ืขื ื”ื™ืœื“, ืชืขืฉื” ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื– ืื ื™ ืžื•ื•ืชืจืช", ืื ื™ ื”ืขื™ืงืจ ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืชื™ืง ืคื”, ื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ืชื™ืง, ื”ื•ื ืจืฉื ืืช ื”ืฉื ืฉืœื” ื‘ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ืชืชืืจื™ ืœืขืฆืžืš, ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขืฉื™ื ื•.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœืช ืื ืœื“ืขืชืš ื”ืจื‘ ื™ื“ืข ืžื” ื’ื•ืจืœ ื”ื ืฉืœื—ื™ื?
ืช: ื–ืืช ืฉืืœื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ืื ื™ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื”ืฉื ื™ื, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข, ื”ื ื™ื“ืขื•, ื”ื ืœื ืจืฆื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืคืื ื™ืงื”, ืื‘ืœ ืคื” ื”ื•ื ืจืื”, ื”ื•ื ืจืฉื ืื•ืชื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืกืœื•ื— ืœื• ืขืœ ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ื’ื ื‘ืืชื™ ืœ-Auschwitz, ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ืžื” ื–ื” Auschwitz, ืื– ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ื•ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืฉื˜ื•ื™ื•ืช, ื’ื ื‘ืชื™, ื•ืœื ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ื•ืฆืคื” ืฉืื™ืŸ ื›ืžื•ืชื”, ื•ื‘ืฆ'ื™ืง ื›ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืช ืฆืขืงื• ื‘ืœื™ืœื”: "ืงืจืœื” ืคืจื ืงืœ, ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜", ืื”, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ืคื™, ื‘ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ืชืชืืจื™ ืœืขืฆืžืš ืื ื™ ื‘ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ื‘ืงืจื•ืŸ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจ ืฆ'ื›ื™, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขื•ื“ ืื•ืžืจ ืœื™: "ืชื™ืฉืืจื™ ื›ืืŸ".
ืฉ: ืืช ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขืœ ื”ืฉื™ืœื•ื— ืœ-Auschwitz ืื• ืขืœ ื”ืฉื™ืœื•ื— ืœืžื—ื ื” ืื—ืจ?
ืช: ืœ-Auschwitz.
ืฉ: ืื– ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืกื“ืจ ื‘ืขื“ื•ืช, ืื—ื•ืชืš ื•ืžืฉืคื—ืชืš ื ืฉืœื—ื™ื ืœ-Auschwitz, ืืช ื–ื•ื›ืจืช ืืช ื”ื—ื•ื“ืฉ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ, ื•ืื ืื ื™ ืœื ื˜ื•ืขื”, ื‘17- ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื•...
ืช: 44.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ 44 ื›ื‘ืจ ื’ืžืจื•, ื ื“ืžื” ืœื™ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ืœื•ื—ื™ื.
ืช: ืื ื™ ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ ื‘28- ืœื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜, ื•ืื ื™ ื ื›ื ืกืช ืœืงืจื•ืŸ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ...
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืกืœื™ื—ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืงื•ื˜ืขืช ืื•ืชืš ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ, ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ื•ื”ืื—ื•ืช ื ืฉืœื—ื™ื ื‘ืื—ื“ ื”ืžืฉืœื•ื—ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื™ื ืœ-Auschwitz?
ืช: ืœื ืื—ืจื•ื ื™ื, ื”ื™ื• ืขื•ื“ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื–ื” ื›ืžื” ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืื—ืจื•ืŸ, ืืช ื–ื” ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ืฉื–ื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ, ื–ื” ื ื•ื“ืข ืœื™ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืฉื”ืœื›ื• ื—ืžืฉ ืขืฉืจื” ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜ื™ื ืื–, 44, ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ ืœ-Auschwitz, Birkenau.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื–ืžืŸ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ื ืฉืœื—ื™ื, ืืช ื ืฉืœื—ื, ืฉื‘ื•ืขื™ื™ื, ืฉืœื•ืฉื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ืœืฉื, ื”ื ืกื™ืขื” ื”ื™ื ื’ื ื›ืŸ ื ืกื™ืขื” ืœื ืจื’ื™ืœื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื ืฉืœื—ื™ื ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืžืฉืœื•ื—?
ืช: ืžืœื, ื”ื™ื• ืื•ืœื™ ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืคื ื™ื ื‘ืงืจื•ืŸ, ื•ื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ืขื ืฆื™ื•ื“, ื›ื™ ื”ื ืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ืžื—ืกื ื™ื, ื•ื’ื ื‘ื• ื”ืจื‘ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื˜ื•ื‘.
ืฉ: ืžื™, ื”ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืฉืœืš ื›ื•ืœื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื.
ืฉ: ืื‘ืœ ืžื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืœืš, ืฉืื™ืชื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ื’ื˜ื•, ื‘-Terezin, ื›ื•ืœื ื ืฉืœื—ื• ืื• ื—ืœืง ื ืฉืืจื• ื‘-Terezin?
ืช: ื—ืœืง ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื ืฉืืจ, ื ื’ื™ื“ ืขืฉืจื™ื ืืœืฃ ื ืฉืืจื•, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื–ื” ืจืฉื•ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื• ื–ืžื ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฉืžื•ื ื™ื ืืœืฃ, ืคื” ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื™ื• ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืืœืฃ, ืื– ืฉืœื—ื•, ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื• ื‘ืกื•ืฃ, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื’ืžื•ืจ, ื ื’ืžื•ืจ ื‘ืฆ'ื™ืง, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืขื•ื“ ืžื”ืจ ืžื”ืจ, ืื– ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืื—ืจื•ืŸ, ื‘ืงืจื•ืŸ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืขื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืฆื™ื•ื“, ื—ืฉื‘ื• ืฉื”ื ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœืžื—ื ื” ืื—ืจ, ื•ืฉืžื” ื”ื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื’'ื•ื‘ื™ื, ื•ื‘ื“ืจืš, ื–ื” ืœืงื— ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ, ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื™ืฉ ื—ื‘ื™ืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืฆืจื›ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืžืœื ืขื“ ื”..., ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืืช ื™ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืขืœ ื”ื—ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ื™ื•ืฉื‘ืช ื›ื›ื” ื‘ืงืฆื” ืฉื, ื‘ืงื™ืจ, ื•ืžื” ื”ื™ื”? ืœื ื“ืื’ืชื™ ืœื™ ืœื“ืจืš ืžืฉื”ื• ืœืื›ื•ืœ, ื”ืกื‘ืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœืกื‘ืชื ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืฆืจื•ืช, ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืœื—ื, ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ื›ืœื•ื, ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื™, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื’ื ืงืฆืช ื—ื‘ืœ ืœื”ืฉืื™ืจ ืื•ืชื”, ืื‘ืœ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื, ื–ื” ืžื•ืฉืš ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื•ื”ื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืื›ืœื•, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืื•ื›ืœ ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื”ื›ืœ, ื•ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืฉืชื™ื™ื” ืœื ื”ื‘ืืชื™, ืคืชืื•ื ืื ื™ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื”, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืชื•ืช, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืžื›ื ื™ืก ื™ื“, ื”ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฆ'ื™ืง ื”ื–ื” ืฉืžื”, ืœืชื™ืง, ืžื•ืฆื™ื, ืฉื•ืชื”, ื—ื•ืฉืš, ืื™ืŸ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื•ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืœื ืžืกืชื›ืœ, ืžื›ื ื™ืกื” ืืช ื”ื™ื“ ื•ืฉื•ืชื”, ื“ื™ ื—ืจื™ืฃ, ืื‘ืœ ื˜ื•ื‘, ื•ื›ื›ื” ืฉืชื™ื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืง, ืฉื ื™ื ื•, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื™ื›ื•ืจื”, ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืงืœ, ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื™ืคื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœ-Auschwitz, ื ืขืžื“ ื”ืงืจื•ืŸ, ื”ืกืชื›ืœื ื•, ื”ื™ื• ื—ืจื™ืฆื™ื, ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืฆื™ื•ื“, ืœื‘ื ื™ื, ืขื ื”ืื•ืœืจ ื”ื ืขืฉื• ื—ื•ืจ, ื”ื‘ื ื™ื, ื”ืกืชื›ืœื•, "ืื•, ื™ืฉ ืคื” ื‘ืชื™ ื—ืจื•ืฉืช, ืืจื•ื‘ื•ืช", ืื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ืคื” ื ืฆื˜ืจืš ืœืขื‘ื•ื“, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืจื’ื•ืขื™ื, ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื ื• ืฉืขื•ืช ืœื—ื›ื•ืช, ืื ื™ ื ืžื ืžืชื™ ืงืฆืช, ื•ืขื•ื“ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ื™ืฉ ืคื” ื™ืœื“ื” ืฉืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขืœ ื”ืกื™ืจ", ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื™ืฉื‘ื ื• ืขื“ ื”ืกื™ืจ, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™, ื•ื›ื›ื” ืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ, ืื•ืœื™ ื’ื ืžื” ืฉืฉืชื™ืชื™ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืžื™ื, ื”ืขื™ืงืจ ื”ื’ืขื ื•, ืคืชื—ื• ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืขื•ืช ืืช ื”ื“ืœืชื•ืช, ื•ืฆืขืงื•, ื•ื™ืฆื•ืจื™ื, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื• ืžื”ืžื—ื ื” ืขื ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื”ืืœื”, "ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ืžื”ืจ ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ื”ื›ืœ ืœื”ืฉืื™ืจ ื‘ืคื ื™ื, ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”", ื”ื‘ื ื™ื ืœืงื—ื• ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ื‘ื™ื“, ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื ืคืœื• ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืจื•ืื” ืขื•ืœื ืื—ืจ, ื”ืžื•ืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื ื•ืœื—ื ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื”, ื“ื•ืจื›ื™ื ืขืœ ื–ื”, "ืžื”ืจ ืžื”ืจ ืœืขืžื•ื“ ื‘ื—ืžื™ืฉื”", ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœืขืฆืžื™: 'ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื–ืžืŸ', ื”ืจื™ ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืคื—ื“ืช, ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื“ืช ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืคื”, ืื ื™ ืžื—ื›ื” ืขื“ ื›ืžืขื˜ ื”ืกื•ืฃ, ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ืจืื™ืชื™ ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืœืžื”, ื•ืจืื™ืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ืื™ื–ื” ื’ื‘ืจ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืœื• ืฉืœื•ื, ืื ื™ ืžื—ื›ื”, ืื ื™ ืžื—ื›ื” ืขื“ ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืื”, ื ื•, ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืœืœื›ืช ืœื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื™ื”, ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช, ื”ื•ืœื›ืช, ื‘ืื” ืœืžื—ืกื•ื ื›ื–ื” ืฉืขื•ืžื“ื™ื SS, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืชื•ืคืก ืื•ืชื™ ืคื”, "ืœืืŸ?", ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื•: "ืœืฉืžื”", ื”ื•ื ืžืกืชื›ืœ ืขืœ ื”ืฉื ื™, ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ ืœื•: "ืชืŸ ืœื” ืœืœื›ืช", ืกืชื ืืžืจืชื™: "ืฉืžื”", ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืœืฉื, ืขื•ืžื“ื•ืช ืฉื ืื™ื–ื” ืฉืœื•ืฉื™ื, ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื‘ื ื•ืช, ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืื™ืคื” ื›ื•ืœื?", ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืืœืคื™ื, ืžืขืœ ืืœืฃ, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ื”ืจื™ ืืช ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื”, ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ื›ืŸ, ื’ื ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ืœืžื” ืจืง ืื ื—ื ื• ืคื”", ื•ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืžืจ ืขืœื™ื ื•, ืžื”-SS, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ืจืฅ ืืœื™ื ื• ื‘ื—ื•ืจ, ืื•ืœื™ ืฉืžืขืช ื”ืฉื ืงื•ื˜ืจื˜ [...], ื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ "ืชืขืžื•ืœื”", ื‘-Terezin, ื”ื•ื ืฉื—ืงืŸ ืž-Berlin, ื‘ืŸ ืื“ื ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื›ื–ื”, ืื™ืฉืชื• ืขืžื“ื” ืขื ื”ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืืœื™ื”, ืžื ืฉืง ืื•ืชื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืžื” ืงื•ืจื”, ื‘ื•ื›ื”", ืื– ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืชื”ื™ื™ ืฉืงื˜ื”, ื›ื‘ืจ ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœื™ ื‘ืขื™ื˜ื” ื‘ื˜ื•ืกื™ืง", ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ื›ื” ื—ื–ืจ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ื•ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื•, ืžืฆื“ ืฉื ื™ ืขืžื“ื• ื’ื‘ืจื™ื, ื’ื ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืงื˜ื ื”, ื–ื”ื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ืขืžื“ื ื• ืฉื, ืœื ืขื‘ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ, ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ ืืžืจื• ืœื”ืชืคืฉื˜, "ืžื” ื–ื” ืœื”ืชืคืฉื˜, ื•ืื™ืคื” ืœืฉื™ื ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื?", "ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื”", ื•ื”ื™ื” ื›ื–ื” ืžื™ืŸ..., ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ื‘ื•ื”, ืงื•ื“ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื•ืคืกื ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืขื ืคืชื—, ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื“ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื™ืฉ, ืœื–ืจื•ืง ืœืฉื, ืžื™ ืฉืœื ืจืฆื”, ืชืคืกื•, ื–ืจืงื•, ื•ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ืœืขืžื•ื“ ืฉืžื” ืœืžืขืœื”, ืื– ืขืžื“ื ื• ืฉืžื” ืœืžืขืœื” ื‘ืขืจืš ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื, ื–ื” ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš, ื•ื”-SS ื‘ืื• ืœื”ืกืชื›ืœ ืขืœื™ื ื•, ืฆื—ืงื• ืขืœื™ื ื•, ื•ืคื” ืฉื ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”", ื•ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืฉืื—ืช ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืื‘ืœ ื–ืืช ืืžื ืฉืœื™", ืื ื™ ืžืชืกื›ืœืช, ืื•ื™, ืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจื” ืื•ืชื”, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืื™ืŸ ื“ื‘ืจ, ืชื”ื™ื™ ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ืขื ืืžื", ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืืช ื”ืืžื, ื”ืืžื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืœื•ื‘ืฉืช ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื‘ืœ ืขืจื•ืžื”, ืจืื• ืฉื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืฆืขื™ืจื”, ื•ื›ื›ื” ื ืฉืืจื ื• ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ื•ืžืฉื”ื•, ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื”, ื•ื’ืจืฉื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื—ื“ืจ ื”ืฉื ื™, ืœื—ื“ืจ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืจืฆื” ืœืœื›ืช, ืื ื™ ืื‘ืœ ืขื•ื“ ืงืฆืช ืฉื™ื›ื•ืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื™ ืœืฉื‘ืช ื ืžื•ืš, ื•ื‘ืื” ืื—ืช ื•ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื™..., ืืžืจืชื™: "ืžื”, ื”ื›ืœ?", ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ื›ืŸ, ื–ืืช ืžื›ื•ื ืช ืืคืก", ืื– ื›ืœ ื”ืฉืขืจื•ืช ื•ื”ืœืื”, ื”ื™ืชืจ ื‘ืื™ื, ืจื•ืื™ื ืื•ืชื™, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื–ื” ื ื•ืจื, ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉืžื•ืจื™ื“ื™ื ืืช ื”ืฉืขืจื•ืช, ืืช ืœื ืชื›ื™ืจื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžืš, ื˜ื•ื‘, ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ, ื–ื” Auschwitz, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื–ืจืงื• ืœื ื• ื›ืžื” ืฉืžืื˜ืขืก, ืฉืœ ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืคื™ื–'ืžื”, ื•ืžืขื˜ ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืจื•ืื”, ืฉืฉืžื” ืื—ืช ืžืงื‘ืœืช ืกื•ื•ื“ืจ, ื•ื•ืื•, ืื ื™ ื’ื ืจื•ืฆื” ืกื•ื•ื“ืจ, ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืืœื™ื•, ื‘ื ื™ื ืฉืœื ื• ืžื—ืœืงื™ื, ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ: "ืืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืกื•ื•ื“ืจ, ื‘ื•ืื™ ืื™ืชื™", ืฉืžื” ื‘ืคื™ื ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื ื›ื ืก ืฉืžื”, ื”ื•ื ืจืฆื” ืœื”ื™ื›ื ืก ืฉืžื”, ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ืคื ื™ื, ื•ืจืื™ืช ืฉืžื” ืœืžื˜ื” ืืจื‘ืข ืจื’ืœื™ื™ื, ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืœื ืจื•ืฆื”, ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืืช ื”ืกื•ื•ื“ืจ", ืืช ืžื‘ื™ื ื”, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื‘ืฆ'ื™ืง ืขื•ื“..., ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ืืžืจื• ืœื ื• ืœืขืžื•ื“ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ.
ืฉ: ืžื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืœื“ืขืชืš, ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืื• ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืฉืžื”.
ืช: ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืœื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ืžืœื•ื›ืœื›ืช.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื’ื ื”ืืจื‘ืข ืจื’ืœื™ื™ื ื–ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื.
ืช: ื‘ื˜ื—, ื‘ืช ื•..., ื”ื™ื ืงื™ื‘ืœื” ืกื•ื•ื“ืจ, ื–ื” ืงืจื”, ื•ื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ื”ืœืš, ื–ื” Auschwitz ื•ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื ืืช ืจื•ืฆื” ื”ืœืื” ื•ื”ืœืื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืžื” ื–ืžืŸ ืืช ื ืžืฆืืช ื‘-Auschwitz?
ืช: ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช, ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื”, ืœืžื”? ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ, ืกื•ืฃ, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ื ื•ื‘ืžื‘ืจ, ื”ืจื•ืกื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื•ืžื“ ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื“ืœืช, ื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืฉืžื™ื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื. ืžืฆื“ ืฉื ื™ ื‘ืื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืžื”ื ื“ืกื™ื, ืžื ื”ืœื™ื, ื•ืžื—ืคืฉื™ื ื‘ื ื•ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืื– ื›ืœ ืคืขื ืฉืขืžื“ื ื•, ื›ืœ ื‘ื•ืงืจ ืฉื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื ื• ืœืขืžื•ื“ ื‘ืžืคืงื“, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื [...], ื”ื•ื•ืชื™ืงื™ื ื™ื“ืขื•, ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ื’ื–, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืžื•ืžื™ื, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืชืคืกื ื•, ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœืชืคื•ืก, ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ื—ื‘ืจื”, ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืื•ืชื”, ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืขื ื˜ืจื ืกืคื•ืจื˜ ืœืคื ื™ ื–ื”, "ื‘ื•ืื™", ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืืœื™, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ, ืขื“ ื”ืกื•ืฃ, ืขื•ื“ ืื—ืช, ื–ืืช ืฉืืžืจื” "ื–ืืช ืืžื ืฉืœื™", ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจื” ืื•ืชืš", ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœื, ื•ื”ื™ื ื’ืจื” ืคื” ื‘ื˜ื‘ืขื•ืŸ, ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉืœื•ืฉืชื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“, ืžืื– ื”ื—ื–ืงื ื• ืžืขืžื“, ื–ื” ืœื ื™ืื•ืžืŸ, ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช, ืื™ืš ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœืš, ื–ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ.
ืฉ: ื‘ืžื” ืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื ืืชื›ื ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืืช ื‘-Auschwitz?
ืช: ื›ืœื•ื, ื›ืœื•ื, ื”ื ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื•, ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืขื ื–ื” ื•ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืขื ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื—ื” ื‘ืจื’ืข ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœืžื™ื˜ื‘ ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ื ื™, ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืคืกื™ืงื™ื ืืช ื”ื”ืฉืžื“ื” ื‘ื’ื–, ืกื•ื’ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืงืจืžื˜ื•ืจื™ื•ืžื™ื, ืื– ืœืžืขืฉื” ืืชื ื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืฉืžื” ื‘ืื™ื–ื•ืฉื”ื™ ื”ืžืชื ื”?
ืช: ื–ื” ืžืชื— ื›ื–ื”, ื–ื” ืœื ื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื, ืืช ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ื›ืœ ืฉืขื” ืžื” ื™ืงืจื”, ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ..., ืžืขื‘ื™ืจื™ื ืื•ืชืš ืžืฆืจื™ืฃ ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื•ืฉื ื‘ืื• ืขื•ื“ ืื™ื–ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช ืขืœื™ื ื•, ืœืจืื•ืช ืื™ืš ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืจืื™ื, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื ืœื ืจืฆื• ืžื•ื–ืœืžื ื™ื, ื”ื ืœื ืจืฆื• ืืช ื”ื”ื›ื™ ื”ื›ื™ ืจื–ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืฉืžื“ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืืชื ืžืืžื™ื ื™ื ืœืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”? ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ื›ืฉืืช ื‘-Auschwitz, ื•ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืฉืคื”, ื‘-Auschwitz ืžืฉืžื™ื“ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืžื”ื•ื ื’ืจื™ื”, ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ืžืฆ'ื›ื™ื”, ืืชื ืžืืžื™ื ื™ื ืœื–ื”?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื, ืžืฉื”ื• ืงื•ืจื” ืขื ื”ืจืืฉ, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืืช ืจืง ืฉื•ืžืจืช ืขืœ ืขืฆืžืš, ืฉืื ื™ ืืœืš ืœืืŸ ืฉื”ื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ืืœืš, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ืืœืš ืขืงื•ื, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ืืœืš ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื™ื“ื™ ืžื”ืจ, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ืืขืžื•ื“ ืงื“ื™ืžื”, ืื– ืชื•ืคืกื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ืชื›ืฃ, ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœื™ ืชื›ืฃ ืžื›ื•ืช, ืื ื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืžืชื—, ื•ื›ืœ ื›ืš..., ืฉืžื›ื ื™ืกื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ, ืืช ื ื•ืคืœืช ืžื”ืจื’ืœื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืืช ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื ืขืœื™ื™ื, ื”ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ืžืขืฅ, ื”ื•ืœื ื“ื™ื, ืืช ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืฉื™ื ืืช ื–ื” ืžืชื—ืช ืœืจืืฉ, ืืช ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืืช ื–ื”, ืืช ืœื•ืžื“ืช ืืช ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ืœื™ ื–ื” ืงืจื”, ืฉื’ื ื‘ื• ืœื™, ืื– ื™ื“ืขืชื™, ื‘ืœื™ ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ืื ื™ ืžืชื”, ืื– ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืขืœ ืืจื‘ืข ืœืกื—ื•ื‘ ื•ืœื—ืคืฉ, ืœืชืคื•ืก ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื™, ืืช ืžื‘ื™ื ื”? ืืช ืžื›ื•ื ื”, ื•ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืงืจื—ืช, ืงืจ, ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื– ื™ืฉ ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ื‘ื“, ื•ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™: "ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื—ืชื™ื›ื•ืช", ืœื›ืกื•ืช ืืช ื”ืจืืฉ, ืื– ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื™: "ืืœ ืชืขืฉื™ ืืช ื–ื”", ื”ื™ื ืžืคื—ื“ืช ื›ื‘ืจ, ืฉืื ื™ ืืงื‘ืœ ืžื›ื•ืช, ื•ื™ืฉ ืžืฆื‘ื™ื ื›ืืœื”, ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช, ื•ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืืช ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืงืจ.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืขืœ ื”ื’ื•ืฃ ื—ื•ืฅ ืžื‘ื’ื“ ืฉืœ ืืกื™ืจื”?
ืช: ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืื™ื–ื” ืคื™ื–'ืžื” ืฉืœ ื™ืœื“ื”, ืฉื”ืœืš ืœื™ ืขื“ ื”ื ื”, ืœื ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืœืžืขืœื”, ื•ืื™ื–ื• ื—ื•ืœืฆื” ื•ืื™ื–ื” ืžืขื™ืœ, ื”ื™ื” ื“ื•ื•ืงื ืืจื•ืš, ืฉื—ื•ืจ ืœื’ืžืจื™, ื•ื”ื™ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืืžื, ืขื ืฉืชื™ ื‘ื ื•ืช, ืฉื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื” ืž-Terezin, ืื– ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช: "ืื•ื™, ืื™ืš ืืช ื ืจืื™ืช, ื›ืžื• ื–ืงื ื”, ืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื›ื™ืจ ืื•ืชืš, ื‘ื•ืื™ ื ื—ืœื™ืฃ", ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ืžืขื™ืœ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืงืฆืจ, ืœื ืฉื—ื•ืจ ื›ืœ ื›ืš, ื•ืื ื™ ื˜ื™ืคืฉื”, ื”ื—ืœืคืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™, ืœื ื™ื›ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื™, ืื•ืœื™ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืคื”, ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืขื•ื“ ืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืื™ืš ื”ื ื™ื›ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื™, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื•ื“ ืคื™ืงื—ื™ืช, ืœืงื—ื” ืœื™ ืืช ื”ืžืขื™ืœ, ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“, ืื– ืจืื™ืชื™, ื”ื™ื ืืžื ื›ืžื•, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืฉืœ ืืจื™ื•ืช, ืฉืชื™ ื‘ื ื•ืช, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ื›ื ื” ืžื”ืื“ืžื” ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื”, ืื– ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืฉื”ืžืขื™ืœ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ื™ืฉื•ื‘ ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื ืžืฉื”ื•, ื ืฉืืจืชื™, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืื‘ื•ื“, ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื” ืœื•ืžื“ื™ื ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”...
ืฉ: ืืœื” ืฉืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืื™ืชืš, ืฉืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ, ื›ื•ืœื ื ืฉืืจื™ื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืื• ื™ืฉ ื›ืืœื” ืฉื’ื ืฉื ืœื ืžื—ื–ื™ืงื™ื ืžืขืžื“?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ื—ืœืง ืฉืœื ื ืฉืืจ ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืžืฆื‘ ืฉื‘ืื ื• ืž-Auschwitz ืœ-Bergen Belsen, ื•ื”ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืื•ื”ืœื™ื.
ืฉ: ืืชืŸ ื ื•ืกืขื•ืช ืœ-Bergen Belsen ื›ืฉื”ืจื•ืกื™ื ืžืชืงืจื‘ื™ื?
ืช: ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื•, ืžื” ื”ื•ืœืš ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ.
ืฉ: ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฃ, ื‘ื™ื ื•ืืจ.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื•ื”ื ืขื•ื“ ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืื™ื ืœ-Bergen Belsen, ื•ื‘-Bergen Belsen ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื›ื™ื ื• ืžืงื•ื, ืื– ื”ื ืฉืžื• ืื•ื”ืœื™ื, ืื•ื”ืœ ืฉืœ ืงืจืงืก, ืขื ืงื™, ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ืœื ืฉืชื™ื ื• ื•ืœื ืื›ืœื ื•, ื•ื”ื ื”ื‘ื˜ื™ื—ื• ืœื ื• ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื”, ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืื•ื”ืœ, ืœืžื˜ื” ื™ืฉ ืงืฉ...
ืฉ: ืกืœื™ื—ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฆืจืช ืื•ืชืš, ื”ืžืขื‘ืจ ืž-Auschwitz ืœ-Bergen Belsen ื ืขืฉื” ื›ื•ืœื• ื‘ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช?
ืช: ื‘ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื–ืœ, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื” ืฉื”ืœื›ื• ื‘ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ื‘ื• ืœื™ ืืช ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ื”ืœื—ื, ื ืชื ื• ืœื ื• ืœื“ืจืš ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืœื—ื, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื’ื‘ื•ื”, ืœืขืœื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ืงืจื•ืŸ, ืื– ืฉืžืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื‘ืฉื ื™ื” ืฉืฉืžืชื™, ืžื™ืฉื”ื™ ื’ื ื‘ื” ืœื™, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื‘ื•ื“, ืืช ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืœื‘ื•ื, ืื™ืคื” ื–ื”? ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉื‘ืืžืช..., ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืžืชื™ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื”ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ืขื–ืจื• ืœื™, ืชืžื›ื• ื‘ื™ ืฉืื•ื›ืœ ืœืœื›ืช, ื‘-Bergen Belsen, ื•ื‘ืื ื• ืฉืžื” ืœืื•ื”ืœ, ืงืฉ ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื” ื•"ืชืฉื›ื‘ื•", ื•ื’ืฉื ื•ืกืขืจื”, ืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ืœืชืืจ, ืžืฉื”ื• ื ื•ืจื, ื•ืžืื•ืช ืžืื•ืช ื‘ืื•ื”ืœ, ืฉื•ื›ื‘ื™ื, ืคื” ื™ืฉ ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื ื™ื”, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ื›ืžื• ื”ืกืจื“ื™ื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืžื”, ื–ื” ื—ื, ืื—ื“ ืžื—ืžืžื ืืช ื”ืฉื ื™, ื–ื” ืชืžื™ื“, ืื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื™ื—ื“, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ื”ื ืงืžื”, ืื‘ืœ ืžื”, ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืคื™ืคื™, ื–ื” ื ื–ืœ, ืื– ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™, ืขื ืื—ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืžื•ื“ื”, ืฉืžื™ื›ื” ืื—ืช ืฉืžื ื• ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘, ืฉืœื™ ื•ืฉืœื”, ืฉืœื ืื—ื“ ืจืง, ืฉื›ื‘ื ื• ืฉื ื™ื ื• ื‘ืื—ื“, ื•ื›ืฉืจืฆื™ื ื• ืœื”ืกืชื•ื‘ื‘ ืืžืจื ื•: "ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื ืกืชื•ื‘ื‘", ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื—ื, ืื‘ืœ ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืคื™ืคื™, ืืžืจืชื™: "ืชืฉืžืขื™, ืื ื™ ืืฆื, ืชื™ืฉืืจื™ ืคื”, ื•ื ืจืื” ืžื” ื™ื”ื™ื”", ืื ื™ ื”ื—ื•ืฆื” ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืœื›ืช, ื“ื•ืจื›ืช ืคื” ืขืœ ื”ืจื’ืœื™ื™ื, ืคื” ืขืœ ืจืืฉ, ืคื” ืขืœ ื‘ื˜ืŸ, ื•ื›ืœ ืคืขื ืื ื™ ืžืงื‘ืœืช ืžื›ื•ืช, ื–ื” ืœื ืขืกืง, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”, ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ, ื•ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืขื“ ื”ื ื” ื‘ื‘ื•ืฅ, ื•ืื™ืคื” ื”ืœื˜ืจื™ื ื”? ื”ืœื˜ืจื™ื ื” ืจื—ื•ืงื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ื•ืขื•ืฉื” ื›ื›ื”, ื•ืขื•ืฉื”, ืœื ืžื’ื™ืขื” ืœืœื˜ืจื™ื ื”, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื’ื ืคื—ื“ ืœื™ืคื•ืœ, ื—ื•ื–ืจืช ืžืœื•ื›ืœื›ืช, ื—ื•ื–ืจืช, ื•ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื, ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื•ืื ื™ ืงืจืืชื™: "ืื•ืฉื™, ืื•ืฉื™", ืงืจืื• ืœื” ืื•ืฉื™, ื•ื”ื™ื ื—ื™ื” ืคื” ื‘ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ืŸ, ื”ื™ื ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืžื›ืœื•ื, ืœื ืจื•ืฆื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืฉืžื™ืขื” ืงื•ืœ, ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืืœื™ื”, ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”: "ืื•ืฉื™, ืืช ืœื ืชืฆืื™, ืื ื™ ืœื ืืฆื ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื”ื ื’ืžืจื• ืื•ืชื™ ืขื ื”ืžื›ื•ืช, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื ื™ืงื— ืงืฆืช ืงืฉ, ืคื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื ื•ืฉืžื™ื ื‘ื—ื–ืจื” ืืช ื”ืงืฉ, ื•ื›ื›ื” ืขืฉื™ื ื•, ื•ื”ืกืขืจื” ื”ืžืฉื™ื›ื” ื•ื”ืžืฉื™ื›ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ, ืฉื”ืขืžื•ื“ ื”ืจืืฉื™ ืฉืžื” ืžืชื ื•ืขืข, ื•ื–ื” ืœื ื™ืœืš ื˜ื•ื‘, ื•ื›ื•ืœื ืจืื• ื•ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœืฆืขื•ืง: "ืื•ื™ ื•ืื•ื™ ื•ืื•ื™", ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืื•ื”ืœ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘-ืื•ื™, ื•ื”ื ื‘ืื•, ื‘ืื• ื•ื ื•ืจื ื›ืขืกื•, ื›ื™ ืžื–ื’ ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจ ื’ืจื•ืข, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืจื•ืื™ื ืฉื–ื” ืžืชืžื•ื˜ื˜, ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื—ื•ืจ, ื•ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื”ืจื•ื— ืชืคืก, ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืžืฉื ืœืื•ื”ืœ ืื—ืจ, ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ ืœืš ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืขื ื”ืื•ื”ืœ ื”ืื—ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื™ื ื•ื™ื™ื, ื•ืฉื™ื•ืฆืื™ื ืžื–ื” ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ืฉืœื..., ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื™ืฆืื ื• ื‘ืจื™ืื™ื ื•ืฉืœืžื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืจื’ืข ืืช ืขื•ืžื“ืช ื‘ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืœ ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช ืื™ืชืš ื‘ืื•ื”ืœ, ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื‘ื ื•ืช ืฉื”ื’ื™ืขื• ื™ื—ื“ ืื™ืชืš ืœ-Auschwitz?
ืช: ื”ื™ื• ืฉื, ื›ืŸ, ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื›ืจืชื™, ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”, ื•ืขื•ื“ ืžืฉื”ื• ืจืื™ืชื™, ืจืื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืขื™ืœื™ืชื” ืฉืœ Auschwitz ืžื”ืชื–ืžื•ืจืช ื•ื”-Sekretaerin, ืื™ืš ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืขื‘ืจื™ืช?
ืฉ: ื”ืื“ืžื™ื ื™ืกื˜ืจืฆื™ื”, ื”ืคืงื™ื“ื™ื.
ืช: ืฉืœ ื”ืงื•ืžื ื“ื ื˜, ืฉืœ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืฉืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื›ื‘ืจ, ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืื•ื—ืจ ื‘-Bergen Belsen, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ืชืงืจื‘ืชื™ ื•ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™: "ืืชื ืืœื” ื•ืืœื”? ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉื’ื ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉืžื”", ื•ื”ื ื”ื›ื™ืจื• ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจื”, ื”ื›ื™ืจื• ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจื”, ื•ืืžืจืชื™: "ืชืขืฉื• ืœื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ืชื“ืื’ื• ืฉื”ืžืคืงื“ ืž-Auschwitz ื™ื‘ื•ื ืœ-Bergen Belsen, ื•ื”ื•ื ื™ื™ืงื— ืืช ื”ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ืœื™ื“ื™ื™ื", ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื ืืชื ืชืงื‘ืœื• ืืช ื”ื’'ื•ื‘, ืชื™ืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ", ืืช ืžื‘ื™ื ื”, ื›ื‘ืจ ื“ืื’ืชื™, ืœื ื™ืฆื ืžื–ื” ื›ืœื•ื, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืืช ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ืœืš, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื™ืฆื ืœืื•ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื”, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ืงืฉืจ ืื™ืชื, ืื– ืื—ืช ื”ื™ื, ืืช ื‘ื˜ื— ืฉืžืขืช ืืช ื”ืฉื, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื”ื™ื ื“ื‘ืจื” ื‘ืจื“ื™ื• ืื–, ื”ื™ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืฆ'ืœื™ืกื˜ื™ืช ืžืื ื’ืœื™ื”, ื•ืื—ืช ื”ื™ื ื‘ืฆืจืคืช, ืื—ื•ืชื”, ื•ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘-Bergen Belsen, ืื– ื™ืฉ ืฉืžื” ื‘ืžืฉืจื“ ื™ืฉ ืœื• ืฉืžื” ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช, ื•ืฉืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืœื• ื”ืจื‘ื”, ื•ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื’ื ืฉืœ ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช ืœืกืงืจ?", ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื”ื, "ื™ืฉ ืœืš?", ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ืจืื” ืœื™, ื›ื™ ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืžื‘ื™ืช, ืžืื™ืคื”, ืื– ื›ื›ื” ืฉ..., ื•ื’ื ื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ืœื”ื.
ืฉ: ืขื“ ืžืชื™ ืืช ื ืžืฆืืช ื‘-Bergen Belsen?
ืช: ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื, ืคื‘ืจื•ืืจ, ื‘ืขืจืš ื‘ืคื‘ืจื•ืืจ, ืื– ื—ื™ืคืฉื•, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืžื” ื”ื•ืœืš, ื—ื™ืคืฉื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืื– ืื™ื–ื” ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ืกื’ืจื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื•ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืžื” ื™ืงืจื”, ื•ื›ืฉื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื ื• ืœืœื›ืช ืœ-Sauna, ืื– ืชืžื™ื“ ืคื—ื“ื ื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ืกื•ืฃ, ืื– ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจืช, ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื”ื›ืœ, ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืœื™ ืคื” ืจื˜ื•ื‘, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘-Sauna ื•ื–ื”, ื•ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™, ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืœื—ืคืฉ ื‘ื ื•ืช ืฉืขื•ื“ ืžืกื•ื’ืœื•ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“, ื‘ืื•, ืืคื™ืœื• ื”ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืžื“ื™ื, ื•ื—ื™ืคืฉื•, ื•ืื– ื‘ืืชื™ ืœ-Salzwedel, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื‘ืชื—ืžื•ืฉืช ืขื‘ื“ื ื•.
ืฉ: ืžื” ื”ืžืจื—ืง ืž-Bergen Belsen ืœ-Salzwedel, Salzwedel ื–ื” ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœ-Bergen Belsen?
ืช: ื–ื” ื›ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืขื‘ืจืชื ื’ื ืœื”ืชื’ื•ืจืจ ื‘-Salzwedel.
ืช: ื›ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืขื–ื‘ืช ืืช Bergen Belsen.
ืช: ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœืงื— ื’ื ื›ืŸ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื, ื”ื ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื• ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื–ื”, ื”ื ื”ืฆื˜ืจื›ื• ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืฆื‘ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืฉื, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ื ื” ืฉืœ ื›ืžื” ืืœืคื™ื, ืœื ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื‘ื™ืช ื—ืจื•ืฉืช, ื•ื™ืฉืจ, ืœืžื—ืจืช ื™ืฉืจ ืœืœื›ืช ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ื—ืจื•ืฉืช, ืฉืชื™ื ืขืฉืจื” ืฉืขื•ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“.
ืฉ: ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ืœืคื ื™ ืฉ-Bergen Belsen ื•-Buchenwald ืžืฉืชื—ืจืจื™ื, ื•-Auschwitz ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืฉื•ื—ืจืจืช, ื™ืฉ ืœื›ื ืžื•ืฉื’ ืฉื–ื” ื”ืžืฆื‘? ืืช ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขืœ ืคื‘ืจื•ืืจ 45.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, 45, ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื™ื•ื•ื™ื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืื™ืš ื”ืžืฆื‘, ืฉืžืขื ื• ืืช ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื•ื ื™ื, ืฉืžืขื ื• ืฉื”ื ื ื•ืกืขื™ื ืœ-Hamburg, ืœ-Hannover ืœื”ืคืฆื™ืฅ, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื™ื•ื•ื™ื ื•, ืฉืืคื™ืœื• ืขืœ ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœื ื•.
ืกื•ืฃ ืฆื“ ื‘' ื‘ืงืœื˜ืช ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”
ืฉ: ...ืฉืžื” ื‘ื™ื™ืฆื•ืจ ืชื—ืžื•ืฉืช, ืžื” ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ, ืžื” ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืชื—ืžื•ืฉืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืจื•ื‘ื™ื ืงืœื™ื.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžืฆื‘ ื’ื•ืคื ื• ืืช ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืžืฆื‘ ื˜ื•ื‘, ื›ื™ ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืฉืœืฉื•ืœ, ื”ืจื‘ื” ืฉืœืฉื•ืœ, ืขืœ ื”ืื™ื ืกื•ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ืก ื•ืขืœ ื”ื˜ื™ืคื•ืก ืื ื™ ืœื ืžื“ื‘ืจืช, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ื‘-Terezin, ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื—ืจ ื›ืš ืขื‘ืจ ืขืœื™, ื‘-Auschwitz ื•ื‘-Bergen Belsen ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืจืฆื™ื ื™, ืื– ืื ื™ ื™ืจื“ืชื™ ืžืื•ื“, ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืื ื™ ื™ืฆืืชื™ ื—ื•ืœื” ืžื›ืœ ื”ืขืกืง, ื›ืฉื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจืชื™, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ื•ืœื”.
ืฉ: ื‘ืžืฆื‘ ื”ื’ื•ืคื ื™ ื”ื™ืจื•ื“ ืฉืืช ืžืชืืจืช, ื”ืฆืœื—ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“, ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื ื“ืจืฉ?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื›ื•ื—, ื›ื™ ืžื™ ืฉืขื‘ื“, ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืกื™ื›ื•ื™ื™ื ืœืงื‘ืœ ืื•ื›ืœ, ื•ืžื™ ืฉืœื ืขื‘ื“, ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ืฉืฉื•ืœื—ื™ื ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื” ืงื˜ืข ืฉื”ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฆืžื•ื“ื” ืืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื•ื“ ืจื–ื”, ื•ืื™ื–ื” ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ืขืฉื• ืžืคืงื“ ื•ืืžืจื•: "ื”ื™ื ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ", ืื– ืื ื™ ื‘ื›ื™ืชื™: "ืื—ื•ืชื™, ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื•ืื—ื•ืชื™", ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืื•ืชื”, ื•ื›ื›ื” ื”ื™ื ื ืฉืืจื” ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื.
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ืช: ื‘-Salzwedel ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘, ื”ืžืคืงื“ ื”ื™ื” ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืž-Hamburg, ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉืžื” ืื™ืฉื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื” ืžื›ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื•, ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืืช ื–ื”, ืจืง ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืจืื™ื ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืื™ืชื” ื‘ืžื—ื ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ืชืžื™ื“..., ืื•ืžื ื ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“ ื’ืจื•ืข, ืื‘ืœ ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื•ื ื“ืื’ ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื“, ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื“, "ืžื” ื”ื ืขื•ืžื“ื™ื ืขื•ื“?", ื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, "ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืกืคื™ืง ืฉืขื•ืช".
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ื”ื•ื ื—ืก ืขืœื™ื›ื, ื”ื•ื ื“ืื’ ืœื›ื ื‘ืฆื•ืจื”...
ืช: ื”ื•ื ืคื—ื“, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ืฆืœื™ื—, ื•ืขื•ื“ ืžืฉื”ื• ื”ื™ื”, ืžื—ื ื” ื”ืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ื ื”ื™ื” ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ื ื•, ื•ืขื‘ื“ื• ื’ื ืื™ืชื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฆืจืคืชื™ื•ืช ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืื™ืชื, ื•ืฉืžืขื• ืขืœ ื”ืžืฆื‘, ืืžืจื• ืœื ื• ืฉื”ืžืฆื‘ ื”ื•ื ืžืฆื•ื™ืŸ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื ื•, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืžืขืžื“, ื•ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ืื ื—ื ื• ื“ื•ืื’ื™ื ืœื–ื”, ืฉืœื ื™ืขืฉื• ืœื›ื ืžืฉื”ื•", ื•ืืช ื–ื” ื”ื ืขืฉื•, ื”ื ื™ืฉื‘ื• ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ, ื›ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืคื—ื“ื• ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœื™ื”ื, "ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ ืืชื ืœื ืชืขืฉื• ืœื”ื ืžืฉื”ื•", ื›ื™ ื”ื ื”ืจื™ ืœืงื—ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืขื•ื“ ืœื“ืจืš, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื”ืฆืœื™ื—ื•.
ืฉ: ื”ื–ื›ืจืช ื‘ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ื—ืœืง ืฉืœ ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืœืš ืืช ื”ืื•ืคื˜ื™ืžื™ื•ืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ืชื™ืช ื•ื”ืื•ืคื˜ื™ืžื™ื•ืช ืฉืœืš, ื•ืื™ื–ื•ืฉื”ื™ ืชื›ื•ื ื” ื›ื–ื• ืฉืืคื™ื™ื ื” ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื•ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื’ื ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื”, ื›ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจื™ ืืจื‘ืข ืฉื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืืช ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืช ืื•ืคื˜ื™ืžื™ืช ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื—ื ื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื˜ื‘ืข ืฉืœื™, ืื ื™ ื›ื›ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื“ื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื–ื”, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื˜ื‘ืข ืฉืœื™, ืฉืื—ืจื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื, ืื– ืื ื™ ืื’ื™ื“ ืœื”ื: "ื‘ื•ืื•, ื ื—ื–ื™ืง ืžืขืžื“", ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื–ื” ืื ื™ ื›ื›ื”.
ืฉ: ืœื“ืขืชืš ื”ืชื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ืฉืจืชื• ืื•ืชืš ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช ืฉืืช ื ืฉืืจืช ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ืŸ, ื›ื™ ื‘ืžืฆื‘ื™ื ื”ื›ื™ ื”ื›ื™ ืงืฉื™ื, ืชืžื™ื“ ื ืฉืืจื” ืœื™ ืื™ื–ื• ืชืงื•ื•ื”, ื–ื” ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉื–ื” ื”ืกื•ืฃ, ืื•ืžื ื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืงืฉื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื•..., ื‘ืืžืช ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื, ื–ื” ื”ื˜ื‘ืข ืฉืœื™.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจืช?
ืช: ื‘-Salzwedel, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืžื—ื ื”, ื•ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืจื’ืฉื ื•, ื”ื™ื• ืงืจื‘ื•ืช, ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืขื ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ, ื•ืขืคื• ืžื”ืงืœื™ืขื™ื ื›ื“ื•ืจื™ื, ืขืคื• ื›ื“ื•ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœื ื•, ืœื ืชืคืกื ื• ืืช ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ืคืกื™ืง, ื•ื”-SS ืขืžื“ื• ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื”ื’ื“ืจ, ื•ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืฆืขื•ืง: "ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืจืขื™ื? ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืกื“ืจ?".
ืฉ: ืžื™ ืฉื™ื—ืจืจ ืืชื›ื, ืจื•ืกื™ื ืื• ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ื?
ืช: ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ื, ื•ื–ืจืงื• ืœื ื• ืื™ื–ื” ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืกื‘ื•ืŸ ืื• ืžืฉื”ื•, ื–ืจืงื•, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืืžืช ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืื™ืš ืœืื›ื•ืœ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ืœืš ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื”ืจ, ืคืชืื•ื ื‘ื ืื™ื–ื” ื˜ื ืง, ืื™ื–ื” ืžืฉื•ืจื™ื™ืŸ, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืœื›ื ื•, ื”ืจื’ืฉื ื• ืฉื”ื’ื“ืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืžื—ื•ืฉืžืœืช, ื•ื”ืœื›ื ื• ื•ืขื ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื, ืขื ื”ื›ื•ื— ืฉืœื ื•, ืฉืžื ื• ืื•ืชื• ืขืœ ื”ืจืฆืคื”, ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœื˜ื ืง, ื›ืœ ื”ื ืฉื™ื, ืžืื•ืช, ื•ื”ืจืžื ื• ืืช ื”..., ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ื—ื™ื™ืœ ืื—ื“, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืฆืขืง ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช, ื•ืœื ื”ื‘ื ื•, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ืื ื™ ืจื•ืื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืฉื..., ื•ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ืจื” ืžืขืœ ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœื ื•, ืื– ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™, ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื”-SS ืจืฆื” ืœื‘ืจื•ื—, ืขื–ื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื›ืœ, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžืžื•ื ื” ืขืœ ื”ืžื˜ื‘ื—, ืงืœื™ืขื” ืื—ืช ื‘ืจืืฉ, ืžืช, ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื‘ืจืืฉ ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื ื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืฉืœื•, ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืžื” ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืืช ื–ื”? ืจืฆืชื™ ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”, ื”ืชื—ื‘ืงื ื•, ืฉืžื—ื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืื™ืคื•ืง, ื‘ื›ื™ื ื•, ื‘ื›ื™ื ื•, ืฆื—ืงื•, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืืžืจื ื•, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืจืขื‘ื™ื, ื›ื™ ืื•ื›ืœ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื ื• ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื, ื’ื ืžื™ื ืœื, ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœืื™ื–ื” ื ื”ืจ, ื•ืฉืžื” ืฉืื‘ื ื• ืžื™ื, ืื– ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ืื•ืื™, ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื™ืฉ ืคื” ืžื—ื ื”, ืชืฆืื• ืœืขื™ืจ ื•ืชื™ืงื—ื• ืœื›ื ืฉื ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื", ืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ื›ืฉืœืขืฆืžื”, ื‘ื™ื–ื” ืขืฉื™ื ื•, ื ื›ื ืกื ื• ืœืฉื, ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืงื˜ื ื” ื™ืคื™ืคื™ื™ื”, ื•ืคืœืฉื ื• ืฉืžื” ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืชื™ื ื•ื–ื”, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื‘ืืชื™, ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื• ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ืจื•ืกื™ื, ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ืฆืจืคืชื™ื, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื™ื“ื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืžืขื˜ ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืชืคืกืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื•, ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืกื•ื’ืœืช ืœืœื›ืช, ืฉื›ื‘ื” ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ืฉืœืฉื•ืœ, ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ืœื” ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื’ื™ื™ืกืชื™ ืฉืžื”, ืžื” ืฉื”ื‘ืืชื™, ื”ื™ื ืฉืžืจื” ืขืœ ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืžืกื•ื’ืœื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืœื›ืช ืœืœื˜ืจื™ื ื”, ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ, ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืžืœื ืžืœื›ืœื•ืš, ืื– ื”ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื•, ื›ื•ืœื ืœืฆืืช, ืœืฉืจื•ืฃ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื—ื ื”, ื•ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื–ื” ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืฉืžื” ื”ื ืกื™ื“ืจื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ื•ืฉืžื” ื”ื™ื” ืงืฉื” ืœืงืœื•ื˜, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ื™ื, ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ืคื—ื“ืชื™ ืฉื”ื ื™ื—ื–ืจื•, ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื™ื—ื–ืจื•, ื•ื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ืจื•ืข, ื›ื™ ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ื–ื–ื ื• ืืช ื”ืขื™ืจ ื•...
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจืช?
ืช: ื‘ืืคืจื™ืœ, ื‘14- ื‘ืืคืจื™ืœ, ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ื”ื ืœื ื—ื–ืจื•, ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื•ื”ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืฉืžื” ืœื”ื•ื“ื™ืข ืคื•ืœื ื™ื, ืจื•ืกื™ื, ืžื™ ืฉ..., ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช, ืฆืจืคืชื™ื, ื”ื•ืœื ื“ื™ื, ืžื‘ื™ืื™ื ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ืืžืจื•: "ื’ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื", ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืœื›ื ื•, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื•ืœื™ ืฉืžื•ื ื”, ืขืฉืจื”, ืœื ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืื– ืžื” ื”ื ืขืฉื•? ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืขื™ืจ, ืœืจืืฉ ื”ืขื™ืจ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืื’ ืœื”ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ืœ-Lemgo, ืžืื™ืคื” ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืืชื™, ืืžืจื ื•, ืœื, ื–ื” ืœื, ืคืชืื•ื ืื ื—ื ื• ื’ืจืžื ื™ื? ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืืชื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื? ืœื, ื“ืจืš ื”ื—ืœื•ืŸ ื™ืฆืื ื•, ืœืžืขืœื” ืฉื•ื‘, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื•, ื•ืฉืžื” ื—ื™ื›ื™ื ื•, ื•ืฉืžื” ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ื..., ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ื ื—ืžื“ ืื—ื“, ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ื ืœื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื ื•, ืฉื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืคื ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืžืงื•ื, ื”ืจื•ืกื™ื ื‘ืื™ื, ืจื•ืกื™ื, ื”ืจื•ืกื™ื ื’ื ืžืฉื—ืจืจื™ื ืื•ืชื ื•, ืžื” ืจืข? ืœื, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, ื–ื” ืœื ืื•ืชื• ื“ื‘ืจ, ืœื ื”ื‘ื ื•, ืžื” ื”ื•ืœืš, ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื ื•, ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ื˜ื•ื‘ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "Maybe", ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช Maybe ื”ื ื™ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื– ืืžืจื ื• ื–ื” Mister Maybe, ื•ืฉืžืขื ื• ืขืœ Mister Maybe, ื•ื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืขื ืื•ื˜ื• ืžืฉื ืœ-Lueneburg, Lueneburg ื–ื” ืขื™ืจ...
ืฉ: ืชื—ืช ื”ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื•ืฉืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื•ืžื ื“ื˜ื•ืจื”, ืฉืืœื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ืžื™ ืื ื—ื ื•, ื•ื—ื™ืœืงื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ื ืชื ื• ืœื ื• ื—ื“ืจ, ื—ื“ืจ ื•ื—ืฆื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืขื ื”ื‘ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื”.
ืฉ: ืืช ืžืฉื•ื—ืจืจืช, ืžืชื™ ื ื•ื“ืข ืœืš, ืžื” ืขืœื” ื‘ื’ื•ืจืœ ื‘ื ื™ ืžืฉืคื—ืชืš?
ืช: ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘-Auschwitz, ื•ื›ืฉื–ืจืงื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื”ื—ื•ืฆื” ืขื™ืจื•ืžื™ื, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ืฉื” ืื—ืช ืฉื”ื™ื ื‘ื›ืชื” ื›ืœ ื”ืœื™ืœื”, ื‘ื›ืชื” "ืืจื–'ื™ืงื”, ืืจื–'ื™ืงื”", ื—ื™ืคืฉื” ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื” ืฉืœื”, ื•ืืžืจื• ืœื”: "ืืจื–'ื™ืงื”, ืื™ืŸ ืืจื–'ื™ืงื”", ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉืืœื ื• ืžื” ื”ืืจื•ื‘ื•ืช, ืžื” ื–ื”, ืžื” ื–ื” ื‘ืชื™ ื”ื—ืจื•ืฉืช, ืื– ื”ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื: "ื‘ืชื™ ื—ืจื•ืฉืช? ื–ื” ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืœื›ื, ืฉื‘ืืชื ืื™ืชื, ืฉื•ืจืคื™ื ืื•ืชื".
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืœืš ืฆื™ืคื™ื•ืช.
ืช: ืœื, ื•ื–ื” ื ื›ื ืก ืœื™ ืœืจืืฉ, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืื™ืชื™ ื’ื ืื™ืš ื”ื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืืช ื”ืกืœืงืฆื™ื”, ืืžื ื”ืœื›ื” ืขื ื™ืœื“ ืขืœ ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื, ืื• ืฉืขืœ ื”ื–ื”, ืื• ืื‘ื ืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ื™ืฉืจ ื™ืฉืจ, ืœื ืขืฉื• ืžื–ื” ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืื•ืชืš, ืงืจืœื”, ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืฉืœืš ืœื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ืœื™ ืกื•ืฃ ื•ื‘ืงืœื•ืช ื•ื‘ื ื™ื ื•ื—ื•ืช ืขืœ ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืœื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ืงืฉื” ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืžืื™ืคื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ื›ืฉื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื– ืจืฆื• ืœื“ืขืช, ืื– ืื ื™ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืœืขืฆืžื™, ืื ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ืื– ืžืฉื”ื• ืœื ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื”ื ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ืื” ืœืงื‘ื•ืฆื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื”ื: "ืชืฉืืœื• ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืฉืื•ืœ, ื–ื” ืœื ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ ืœื›ื ืžืฉื”ื•, ืชืฉืืœื• ืื•ืชื™, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื›ื ื” ืœืกืคืจ ืœื›ื".
ืฉ: ืžื” ืฉืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ืฉืืช ื”ืชื—ืœืช ืœืกืคืจ ืœืื–ืจื—ื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืงืจื” ืœืš ื‘ืฉื•ืื”.
ืช: ื›ืŸ.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืชื—ื•ืฉืช ืื—ืจื™ื•ืช, ืชื—ื•ืฉืช ืฉืœื™ื—ื•ืช, ืฆื•ืจืš ืื™ืฉื™?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื”ื: "ืื ื™ ืขื“ื” ืื—ืจื•ื ื”, ืžื™ ื™ืกืคืจ ืœื›ื ืืช ื–ื” ืขื•ื“?".
ืฉ: ื‘ืช ื›ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ืœืช ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”?
ืช: ืฉื™ืฉื™ื.
ืฉ: ื•ืขื“ ื’ื™ืœ ืฉื™ืฉื™ื, ื“ื™ื‘ืจืช?
ืช: ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™, ื•ื’ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืกื•ื’ืœืช ืœืฉื‘ืช ืœืคื ื™ ื›ื™ืชื” ืื• ืœืฉื‘ืช ืœืคื ื™ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื, ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช, ืื– ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืžื” ืื ื™ ืื’ื™ื“.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช, ื–ื” ืขื™ืกื•ืง ืฉืืช ืขื•ืกืงืช ื‘ื”ื•ื•ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืจื•ื‘ ืฉื ื•ืชื™ื™ืš ื”ื‘ื•ื’ืจื•ืช ื‘ืืจืฅ.
ืช: ืœื.
ืฉ: ืžืชื™ ืขืœื™ืช ืœืืจืฅ?
ืช: 49.
ืฉ: ื”ืชื—ืชื ืช?
ืช: ื•ื”ืชื—ืชื ืชื™, ื”ืชื—ืชื ื• ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื•ืคื”, 49.
ืฉ: ืขื ืžื™ ื”ืชื—ืชื ืช?
ืช: ืขื ื”ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืฉื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ื‘-Lemgo, ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ืฉืขื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ืฉื•ืื”, ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื ื”ื“ืจ...
ืฉ: ืžื” ืฉืžื•?
ืช: ืฉืžื•ืืœ.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื• ืื•ืชื” ืื•ืคื˜ื™ืžื™ื•ืช ืฉื‘ืš?
ืช: ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืื•ืคื™ ืœื ืจื’ื™ืœ, ืœื ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ื‘ืขืœ ืฉืœื™, ืื•ืคื™ ืœื ืจื’ื™ืœ, ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืขื ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื”ื•ื ืฉืœื˜ ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืงืฉืจ ืขื ื”ื›ืœื•ืช, ื”ื•ื ืชื™ืงืŸ ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ืžื›ื ืกื™ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื”ื›ืจืชื, ืฉื ื™ ื ื™ืฆื•ืœื™ื, ื”ื•ื ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ, ืืช ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืืชื ืžื—ืœื™ื˜ื™ื ืœืขืœื•ืช ืืจืฆื”.
ืช: ืœื, ื”ื•ื ืœื ืจืฆื”, ื”ื•ื ืœื ืจืฆื” ืืจืฆื”, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ืœื, ื‘ืืžืจื™ืงื” ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื“ื•ื“ื”, ื”ื™ื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื™, ื•ื™ืฉ ื‘ืืจื’ื ื˜ื™ื ื” ืžืฉืคื—ื”", ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื ื›ื›ื”, ืชืœืš ืœืš, ืื ื™ ื”ื—ืœื˜ืชื™, ืจืง ืคื” ื”ืžืงื•ื ืฉืœื™", ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื– ืื ื™ ืื‘ื•ื".
ืฉ: ืื™ืŸ ื‘ืจื™ืจื”.
ืช: ืื™ืŸ ื‘ืจื™ืจื”, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ืžืฆื˜ืขืจ, ื–ื” ื”ืžืงื•ื.
ืฉ: ื”ื•ื ื’ื ืขื‘ืจ ืžื—ื ื•ืช ืจื™ื›ื•ื–?
ืช: ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘-Buchenwald, ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื’ื˜ื• ื‘-Buchenwald, ื•ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื›ื™ ื’ืจื•ืข, ืื™ืคื” ืฉืขืฉื• ืืช ื”-V1, V2, ืžืชื—ืช ืœืื“ืžื”, ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ืจ ื’ื™ื”ื™ื ื•ื, ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ, ื ื’ื™ื“ ื—ืฆื™ ืฉื ื” ืขื“ ืฉื”ื ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ืžื”ื’ื˜ื•, ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ื›ืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืื•ื“ ืžืื•ื“ ื“ืชื™ื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™: "ืžื” ื™ื”ื™ื”, ื ื‘ื•ื ืœืืจืฅ, ื›ื‘ืจ ื™ืฉ ืœื• ืคื” ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื“ืชื™ื™ื", ืžื–ื” ืคื—ื“ืชื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืฉืจ..., ืื‘ืœ ืžืื•ื“ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื”ืกืชื“ืจืชื™, ืื ืฉื™ื ื ื”ื“ืจื™ื.
ืฉ: ื ื•ืœื“ื• ืœื›ื ื™ืœื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื ื•ืœื“ื• ืœื ื• ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžื ื ื—ื•ืœื”, ื•ื”ืจื•ืคื ืืžืจ: "ื—ื›ื™, ื—ื›ื™", ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ื™ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ", ืื– ื”ื‘ืŸ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื‘ืŸ ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ื•ืืจื‘ืข, ื•ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ื•ืฉืžื•ื ื” ื”ืฉื ื™, ื•ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
ืฉ: ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื ื›ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ื ื›ื“ื™ื ื—ืžื™ืฉื”, ื™ืฉ ื ื™ืŸ ื•ืขื•ื“ ื™ื”ื™ื” ืื—ื“, ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื”ื™ื” ืื•ืจื™ืืœ.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื” ืœื›ื ืฆื•ืจืš ืžืฉื•ืชืฃ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ื‘ืขืœื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืขื•ื“ื“ ืื•ืชื™, ื›ื™ ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื›ืชื•ื‘ ืืช ื–ื”, ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ, ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘ ืžืžื•ืจื” ืื—ืช, ื•ื”ื™ื ืžื‘ืงืฉืช ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘-Lemgo, ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืขืœ ื”ื’ื•ืจืœ ืฉืœื™, ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืœื, ืœื ืจื•ืฆื”", ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: "ืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื”", ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื•: "ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช ืœื›ืชื•ื‘, ื•ื–ืืช ืžื•ืจื”, ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืฉื’ื™ืื•ืช", ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืืช ื–ื”".
ืฉ: ื—ื–ืจืช ืœ-Lemgo ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœ-Lemgo, Lueneburg ื–ื” ืœื ืจื—ื•ืง ืž-Lemgo, ืื– ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™: "ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื”, ื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืคื”, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ืกืชื›ืœ, ืžื” ื™ืฉ ืฉืžื”, ืื ื™ืฉ ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืชื™ื, ืื ืœื ื”ืจืกื• ื”ื›ืœ", ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืขืžื“ ื›ืžื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœืš ืงืฉื” ืขื ื–ื”?
ืช: ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืงืฉื”, ื›ืฉื‘ืืชื™, ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืกืชื›ืœ ืœืจื—ื•ื‘, ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื“ื™ ื‘ืคื™ื ื”, ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืงืฉื”, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื–ื•, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ืง, ืื ื™ ื‘ืื”, ืื– ื”ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื: "ืื™ืคื” ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื?", ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื™ื ื, ื”ืจื’ื• ืื•ืชื", ื•ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื”ืืžื ืœื ื”ื›ื™ืจื” ืื•ืชื™, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื—ืจื™ ืงืจื—ืช, ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ื›ื›ื” ืฉืขืจื•ืช, ื•ื‘ื˜ื— ืœื..., ืื– ื”ื‘ืช ื‘ืื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื”ืžืจืชืฃ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื” ืฆืœื—ืช ืขื ืชืคื•ื—ื™ ืื“ืžื” ืžื™ื•ื ืœืคื ื™ ื–ื”, ืื– ื”ื™ื ื”ื›ื™ืจื” ืื•ืชื™, ื”ืืžื ืฉื•ืืœืช ืื•ืชื™: "ืžื™ ืืช? ืœืžื™ ืืช ืจื•ืฆื”?", ื•ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื”ืคื™ืœื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื”ื—ื‘ืจื”, ืื– ื”ื ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื™, ื•ืฉืืœื• ืขืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™: "ื”ื ื”ืจื’ื• ืื•ืชื", "ืžื” ืืช ืžื“ื‘ืจืช? ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช", ืืžืจืชื™: "ื›ืŸ, ื”ื ื”ืจื’ื• ืื•ืชื", ืื– ื”ืื‘ื, ื–ื” ืฉื‘ืจ ืื•ืชื•, ื›ืœ ืคืขื ื”ื•ื ืœืงื— ืื•ืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ืคืขื ืœืžืฉืจื“ ืฉืœื•, ื”ื•ื ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ืคืขื ื•ืขื•ื“ ืคืขื, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: "ื•ืžื™ ืขื•ื“ ืขืฉื” ืœื›ื ืžืฉื”ื•?", ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื..., [...] ืจืฆื” ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืื™ืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื ื”ืžื•ืจื”, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืจืœื•ื•ื ื˜ื™, ืžื” ืฉืขื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื ื• ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื–ื” ื”ื›ื™ ื”ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื”ื™ื”, ืขื“ ืฉื”ื‘ื™ื ื•.
ืฉ: ื•ืื– ืืช ื—ื•ื–ืจืช ืœ-Lemgo ืจืง ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื ื™ื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื ืฉืืจืชื™ ืืฆืœื, ื›ื™ ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื ืฉื™ื ืœื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื•, ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื”, ืืžืจืชื™: "ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืจื™ืง, ื‘ืœื™ ืื ืฉื™ื", ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ืœื ื”ืืžื™ื ื”, ื ืกืขื” ื‘ื—ื–ืจื” ืœ-Lueneburg, ืื ื™ ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื•ื ืกืขืชื™ ืขื ืฉื•ื˜ืจ ืขื ืื•ืคื ื•ืข, ื›ื™ ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืื•ื˜ื•, ื•ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื•, ืœืงื—ื ื• ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”, ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืืจื•ืŸ, ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ื“ืจ ืฉื™ื ื”, ื•ื›ื›ื” ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื ืžื›ืจื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื›ืžื• ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืจืฉืžื• ื”ื›ืœ, ื—ืžืฉ ืžืืจืง ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื–ื”, ืขืฉืจื” ืžืืจืง ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื• ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืืžืจื• ืœื™: "ื–ื” ื•ื–ื” ืœืงื— ืืช ื–ื”", ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืฉื...
ืฉ: ืžื” ื”ื™ื” ื”[...], ืœืžื” ืขืฉื™ืช ืืช ื–ื”?
ืช: ืืžืจืชื™: "ื–ื” ืœื ืฉืœื”ื", ืžื” ืฉืื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืžื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื”ืจื™ ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ, ื•ืœื ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื“ืขืช, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืฉื—ืคืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ื‘ื ื•ืช, ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช, ื™ื‘ืจื—ื• ืœื™, ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืืฃ ืื—ื“, ื•ืื ื”ื ื™ื‘ืจื—ื• ืœื™, ืื ื™ ื ืฉืืจืช ืœื‘ื“, ื•ืคืขื ืฉื—ืคืช ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”..., ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืžืจื—ื•ืง, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืขื–ืจ ืœื™, ืื ื™ ื”ืชืžื•ื˜ื˜ืชื™, ืื– ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœ-Bergen Belsen, ืืžืจืชื™: "ืœื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ื•ืœื›ืช, ื”ื ื™ื’ืžืจื• ืื•ืชื™", ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืคืฉืจื•ืช ืœ-Bergen Belsen, ื•ืฉื›ื‘ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘-Bergen Belsen, ื•ืฉืžื” ื”ืชื ื”ื’ื• ื™ืคื” ืžืื•ื“, ื•ืฉืžื” ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืžื›ืชื‘ ืžื”ืฆืœื‘ ื”ืื“ื•ื ืฉื”ืกื‘ืชื ืžื—ืคืฉืช ืื•ืชื™, ืื– ื›ื•ืœื ืขืžื“ื• ืขืœ ื”ืจืืฉ, ืื– ื”ื ืืžืจื•, ืฉืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื•, ืœืฉืœื•ื— ืื•ืชื™ ืœืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื”, ืื– ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœืฉื•ื•ื™ืฆืจื™ื”, ืขื•ื“ ืื—ืจื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืจื™ื ืœ-Davos, Davos ืžื•ื›ืจ ืœืš, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื—ืœืง ื”ืฆืจืคืชื™ ืื™ืคื” ืฉืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื”, ื•ืฉืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื, ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืฉื ืชื™ื™ื, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืื•ื“ ื—ื•ืœื”, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ืจืฆื•ืŸ ืฉืœื™, ื–ื” ืœื ื™ืฉื‘ื•ืจ ืื•ืชื™.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉื”ื‘ืจืืช ืœื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื•ื”ืชื—ืชื ืช, ื•ืขืœื™ืช ืœืืจืฅ, ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืช ืขื ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื‘-Lemgo?
ืช: ื–ื”ื•, ืขื ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื‘-Lemgo ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืงืฆืช ืฉื˜ื•ื™ื•ืช, ื”ื™ื• ืฉืžื” ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื, ื‘ืœื™ ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื ืืžืจื•: "ืืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื™ืฉืจืืœ? ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื ื”ืœื™ื ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืœืื˜ ืœืื˜ ื•ืื—ืจ ื›ืš...", ื”ื ืืžืจื•, "ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžื”? ื ืงื ื” ืืช ื–ื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืชืงื‘ืœื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”", ื•ืคื” ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืคืฉืœื”, ืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ื—ื•ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื ืžืชื” ืคืชืื•ื, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกื•ื’ืœ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืจืง ื”ื™ื” ืื™ื–ื” ืื—ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉื‘ื ื•ืจืฆื” ืœื“ืื•ื’ ืœื•, ืœื“ืื•ื’ ืœื• ืขื“ ื”ืžื•ื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืœืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืžืฉื”ื• ื“ื—ืฃ ืื•ืชื™ ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืฉื, ืื ื™ ื ื•ืกืขืช ืœืฉื, ื•ื”ื•ื ืžืกืคืจ ืœื™, ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืœื ื˜ื•ื‘, ืžืกืคืจ ืœื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ืฉื‘ืช, ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืชืงืฉืจ ืœื‘ืขืœื™ ืœืกืคืจ.
ืฉ: ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื‘ื™ืช ื—ื–ืจ ืœื™ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ืœื ื”ื‘ื™ืช, ื”ื“ื™ืจื”.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืžืžืš, ืฉื‘ื”ื•ื•ื” ืืช ืžื‘ืœื” ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืฉื ื” ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”, ืžื” ืืช ืขื•ืฉื” ืฉื?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื™, ื—ื‘ืœ ืฉืœื ื”ื‘ืืชื™, ืœื•ื—, ื™ื•ื ื™ื•ื, ืฉืขื” ืื• ืฉืขืชื™ื™ื ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช, ืื• ืฉื”ื–ืžื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืžืื™ื–ื• ื›ื ืกื™ื™ื”, ื ืฉื™ื, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช...
ืฉ: ืžื” ื”ืžื˜ืจื”?
ืช: ื”ืžื˜ืจื” ื”ื™ื ืœืกืคืจ ืœื”ื, ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื? ืื– ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ ืœื›ื ืืช ื–ื” ืขื•ื“.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ืืช ื ื•ืกืขืช ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืชืงื•ืคืช ื”ืฉื•ืื”.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืžื” ืฉืขื‘ืจ ืขืœื™ื ื•, ืžื” ืฉื”ื ืขืฉื• ืœื ื•.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืืช ืžืคื™ืงื” ืœืขืฆืžืš ืžื–ื”, ืœืžื” ืืช ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”? ื”ืจื™ ืืช ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืขืฆืžืš ื’ื.
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืกื™ืคื•ืง ืžื–ื”, ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื’ื ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื”ื: "ืื ื™ ื”ืขื“ื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื”, ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœืกืคืจ ืœื›ื, ื•ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืคื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, 'ืœื', ื•ืื ื™ ืื•ื›ื™ื— ืœื›ื ืฉื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”", ืื‘ืœ ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืขื•ื“ ืœื ืืžืจ ืฉื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ืืช ืื•ื”ื‘ืช ืืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื•ื?
ืช: ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ืฉื ื•ืœื“ื• ืื—ืจื™ ื”..., ื”ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื›ื•ืœื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืžืžื ื™, ืขืฉืจ ืฉื ื™ื, ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื˜ื•ื‘, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืขื•ื“ ืžื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจ, ืื ื™ ื ืคื’ืฉืช ืคืขื ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ื•ืคืขื ื‘ืฉื‘ื•ืข ืขื ื›ืžื” ื‘ื ื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™ ืœื”ื: "ืืฆืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืžืฉื”ื•, ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื™ื“ื™ ืงืฉื•ืจื” ืœ-Lemgo".
ืฉ: ืืช ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื“ืžื™ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœืš ื‘ืœื™ ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื•ื, ื‘ื”ื•ื•ื”?
ืช: ืœื, ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ืคืขื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช, ืžื” ื™ื”ื™ื”, ื”ืฉื ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื•ื“ ื—ื•ืœื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื’ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื, ืœื ื—ืฉื•ื‘, ืื ื™ ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื”ืžื—ืœื”, ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ืื•ื›ืœ ืœื ืกื•ืข, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืขื•ืœ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ืœื”ืคืกื™ืง ื•ืœื ืœื ืกื•ืข? ืื ื™ ื‘ืืžืฆืข, ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื’ืžืจืชื™, ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื—ืคืฉ ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืชื‘ื•ื ืื™ืชื™, ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื•ื›ื ื” ืœืฉืœื ืœื” ืืช ื”ื›ืจื˜ื™ืก, ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžืงื•ื, ืœื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื™ืฉื•ืŸ ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ื•...
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจื” ืืช ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื”ื, ืื™ืš ื”ื ืจื•ืื™ื ืื•ืชืš?
ืช: ืชืจืื™, ืื™ืŸ ืœื”ื ื›ืืœื” ืคื”, ืฉื›ืœ ื›ืš..., ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื•ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื”...
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืจื•ืื™ื ืื•ืชืš, ืžื” ื”ื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืš?
ืช: ื‘ืขื™ืŸ ื™ืคื”, ื”ื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืœื”ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ ืื™ืชื™, ืœืงื—ืช ืื•ืชื™, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื•ืœื›ืช, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื–ืžื ืช, ืื ื–ื” ื‘ืชื™ืื˜ืจื•ืŸ, ืื ื–ื” ืื•ืคืจื” ื•ื–ื”, ื•ืžืฆื™ื’ื™ื ืื•ืชื™...
ืฉ: ืืช ื‘ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืื•ืคืŸ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืื–ืจื—ื™ืช ื’ืจืžื ื™ื”? ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ื” ืคื ื™ืžื™ืช.
ืช: ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™, ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™, ืื‘ืœ ืœืคื ื™ ืขืฉืจ ืฉื ื™ื, ืขื ื”ื“ื™ืจื” ื•ืขื ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™ ืœืขืฆืžื™: "ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืขื•ื“ ืžืฉื”ื•", ืื ืื ื™ ืฉื, ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื— ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™, ื–ื” ืขื•ืœื” ื”ื•ืŸ ืชื•ืขืคื•ืช, ื•ื›ืœ ื›ืžื” ืฉืžืชื‘ื’ืจื™ื, ืขื•ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืขืฉืจ ื“ื•ืœืจ ืœื™ื•ื, ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขืช, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื—, ืื– ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืื—ื“ ื˜ื™ืค, "ืชืขืฉื™ ืคืกืคื•ืจื˜ ื’ืจืžื ื™, ื•ืืช ืชืงื‘ืœื™ ืงื•ืคืช ื—ื•ืœื™ื", ื•ืืช ื–ื” ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืœืคื ื™ ืขืฉืจ ืฉื ื™ื, ื•ืœื ืจืฆื•.
ืฉ: ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืชืงืจื‘ื•ืช ืœืกื•ืฃ ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ, ืงืจืœื”, ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉืชืชืžืงื“ื™ ื‘ืชืฉื•ื‘ื” ื•ืชื ืกื™ ืœื”ื’ื“ื™ืจ ืœื™, ืžื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืš, ืืช ืขื•ืกืงืช ื‘ื”ื ืฆื—ืช ื”ืฉื•ืื” ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื ื•ื‘ื ื™ ื ื•ืขืจ ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืืช ืžืกืคืจืช ืขืœ ืชื•ืœื“ื•ืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืžื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืš ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœืš?
ืช: ืฉื”ื ื™ื–ื›ืจื•, ื•ืฉืื ื™ ื’ื ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื”ื: "ืื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”, ืืœ ืชื—ืฉื‘ื•, ืฉืื ื™ ื—ืฆื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื”, ืื•..., ืื ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื” ืžื‘ื˜ืŸ ื•ืžืœื™ื“ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืกื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื–ื”", ื•ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉื™ื“ืขื• ืžืžื ื™ ืขื•ื“, ืœื ืจืง ืžืกืคืจื™ื, ื›ืชื‘ืชื™, ืกื™ืคืจืชื™, ืœื›ืœ ืื—ื“, ืœื›ืœ ื›ื™ืชื” ืงืฆืช ืื—ืจืช, ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืื—ืจ, ืœื ืฉืงืจ, ืืช ื”ืกืคืจ ื”ื–ื” ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืชืฉื•ื‘ื”...
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื” ืžืกืจ ืืช ืžืขื‘ื™ืจื” ืœื”ื?
ืช: ืฉืœื ื™ืงืจื” ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื” ืขื•ื“ ืคืขื, ื–ื” ื”ืžื•ื˜ื• ืฉืœื™, ื–ื”..., ืฉืœื ื™ืงืจื” ื•ืฉืœื ื™ื”ื™ื” ืจืกื™ื–ื, ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืฉืžื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ืชื•ืจื›ื™ื, ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ื›ื•ืฉื™ื, ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ื”ื›ืœ, ืฉื™ื›ื‘ื“ื• ืื—ื“ ืืช ื”ืฉื ื™, ื•ื™ืฉ ื‘ื›ื™ืชื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืžืกื›ืœืช ืขืœื™ื”ื, ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื”ื: "ืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื™ื—ื“, ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื".
ืฉ: ื•ืืช ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื”, ืฉืืช ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื” ืœื”ืขื‘ื™ืจ?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉื›ืŸ, ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื˜ื•ืœืจื ื˜ื™, ื•ื–ื” ื’ื ื›ืชื•ื‘ ื‘ืกืคืจ ืชืžื™ื“ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืกืคืจ.
ืฉ: ืื ื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืžื•ื“ื” ืœืš, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืืช ืขื•ืฉื” ื“ื‘ืจ ื ืคืœื, ืžืจืฉื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื•ืฉืชืฆืœื™ื—ื™.
ืช: ืชื•ื“ื”.
ื™ืฉื ื• ื”ืกื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ
Testimony of Karla (Frenkel) Raveh, born in Lemgo, Germany, 1927, regarding her experiences in Theresienstadt, Auschwitz-Birkenau, Bergen-Belsen and Salzwedel Life before the war; displays of antisemitism in school; deportation of her father to Buchenwald, 1938; return of her father. Outbreak of the war; deportation to Theresienstadt, 1942; deportation to Auschwitz-Birkenau, October 1944; murder of relatives; transfer to Bergen-Belsen; transfer to Salzwedel; liberation, April 1945. Aliya to Israel, 1948.
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