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Avraham Biylewsky

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ืฉื ื”ืžืจื•ืื™ื™ืŸ : ืื‘ืจื”ื ื‘ื™ืœื‘ืกืงื™
ืชืืจื™ืš ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ : 26.6.01
ืฉื ื”ืžืจืื™ื™ื ืช : ืžืจื™ื ืื‘ื™ืขื–ืจ
ืฉื ื”ื›ืชื‘ื ื™ืช : ืฆื‘ื™ื” ื–ื™ื ื’ืจ
ืฉืžื•ืช ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช
PSZEJSC
SOMPOLNO
POZNAN
BERLIN
EBERSWALDE
AUSCHWITZ-BIRKENAU
DORA (BUCHENWALD)
ELLRICH
ORANIENBURG-SACHSENHAUSEN
GLEIWITZ
BUNA (AUSCHWITZ)
CRIVITZ
SALZBURG
MลฐNCHEN
Fร–HRENWALD
R.A.B. (REICHSARBAHDBAN?)
ืฉื ื”ืžืจื•ืื™ื™ืŸ : ืื‘ืจื”ื ื‘ื™ืœื‘ืกืงื™
ืชืืจื™ืš ื”ืจืื™ื•ืŸ : 26.6.01
ืฉื ื”ืžืจืื™ื™ื ืช : ืžืจื™ื ืื‘ื™ืขื–ืจ
ืฉื ื”ื›ืชื‘ื ื™ืช : ืฆื‘ื™ื” ื–ื™ื ื’ืจ
ืฉ: ืื‘ืจื”ื ื‘ื™ืœื‘ืกืงื™, ื™ืœื™ื“ 1919 ืžื”ืขื™ืจ ืกื•ืžืคื•ืœื ื• SOMPOLNO ืžืคื•ืœื™ืŸ ื‘ืžื—ื•ื– ืคื•ื–ื ืŸ POZNAN. ืกื™ืคืจืช ืฉื ื•ืœื“ืช ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืื—ืจืช, ื‘ืขืฆื. ืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื‘ื‘ืงืฉื”.
ืช: ืžื•ืฆื ืžืฉืคื—ืชื™ ืžืฆื“ ืื‘ื ืžืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉื‘ื™ื™ื“ื™ืฉ ืงืจืื• ืœื” ืคืฉื™ื™ืฅ' ื•ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ืช ืคืฉื‘ืฅ' PSZEICH ื•ืฉื ืกื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื•, ื›ื™ ืื ื™ ื ืงืจืืชื™ ืขืœ ืฉืžื• ื›ืฉื ื•ืœื“ืชื™, ื’ื ืœื ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืืช ืกื‘ืชื, ื›ื™ ืื—ื•ืชื™ ืฉื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืžืžื ื™ ื‘ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื ืงืจืื” ืขืœ ืฉืžื”. ื”ื™ื• ืœืกื‘ื ื•ืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื‘ื ื™ื, ืžื”ื ืื—ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘-20 ืฉื ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืžืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ื•ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืืฉืชื• ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืฉืœ ืกื‘ื™. ืžืืฉืชื• ื”ืฉื ื™ื” ื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืฉื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ื - ืื—ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืžืื‘ื ืฉืœื™, ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ. ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืื‘ื ื ืฉืืจ ืขื ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืขื“ ืฉื”ื ื ืคื˜ืจื•. ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืขืœื” ื‘ื“ืขืชื™ ื•ืœื ื™ืฆื ืœื™ ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืื• ืœื”ื™ื•ื•ื“ืข ืื ื”ื ืขื•ื“ ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื—ืชื•ื ื” ืฉืœ ืื‘ื™. ืื‘ืœ ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืœื. ื›ื ื”ื•ื’ ื‘ื–ืžื ื™ื ื”ื”ื, ืื•ืœื™ 9 ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืื•ืœื™ 10, ื›ื‘ืจ ื ื•ืœื“ื” ื”ื‘ืช ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื•ื”ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื ืงืจืื” ืขืœ ืฉื ืกื‘ืชื. ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืกื‘ื ื ืคื˜ืจ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื‘ื™ื•ื ื”ืฉื ื” ืœืคื˜ื™ืจืชื” ืฉืœ ืกื‘ืชื, ืฉืื—"ื› ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ื•ืกืขื™ื ืœืงื‘ืจ ืื‘ื•ืช, ืื‘ื ื”ื™ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื ื•ืกืข ื‘ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืงื‘ืจ ืื‘ื•ืช ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื™ื•ื.
ืื ื™ ื”ืฉื ื™ ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื”.
ืฉ: ืกืคืจ - ื”ื™ื™ืช ืฉื ืขื“ ื’ื™ืœ ืขืฉืจ - ืื•ืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืช ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ืžืฉื.
ืช: ื›ืŸ. ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืช ื™ืœื“ื•ืช. ื›ืœ ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ืœื ื›ื•ืœืœื™ื ืžืฉื—ืงื™ื, ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ื”ื ื›ื•ืœืœื™ื ืืช ื”"ื—ื“ืจ", ืืช ื”ื”ืœื™ื›ื” ืœ"ื—ื“ืจ" ื•ืืช ื”ื“ืจืš ื—ื–ืจื”. ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืื—ื“ ื•ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžืชืคืงื™ื“ื• ืฉืœ ื™ืœื“, ืœืœื›ืช ืœ"ื—ื“ืจ". ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืื•ืชื• "ื—ื“ืจ" ื•ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืžืงื•ื ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ืกืคืกืœื™ื: ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ื”ื›ื™ ื ืžื•ืš, ืฉื ื™ืฉื‘ื ื• ื‘ื ื™ ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื-ืฉืœื•ืฉ, ื•ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ื‘ื™ื™ื“ื™ืฉ "ื ืฉื˜ื™ื ืงืขืจ ื‘ื ืง", ื›ืœื•ืžืจ ื”ืกืคืกืœ ืฉืœ ื”ืžืกืจื™ื—ื™ื, ื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื‘ืืžืช ืื– ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ืงื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›"ื– ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœื‘ื™"ืก ื•ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืžื“ื ื• ืืช ื”ื"ื‘ ื•ืืช ื”"ืžื•ื“ื” ืื ื™", ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ืงื•ื“ืฉ. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื™ืœื“ ืงื˜ืŸ ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฃ, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื—ืฆื•ืช ืืช ื›ื›ืจ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื‘ื—ื–ืจื” ืžื”"ื—ื“ืจ" ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื›ืฉื‘ืœื™ืœื” ื”ืชืื•ืจื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืง ื—ืชื•ืš ืžืœืžืขืœื” ื•ื‘ื• ื‘ืคื ื™ื ื ืจ. ื‘ืกื•ืคื•ืช ื›ืืœื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื—ื›ื” ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืคื™ื ื” ืขื“ ืฉืื—ื•ืชื™ ื‘ืื” ืœืงื—ืช ืื•ืชื™ ืขื ื”ืžื ื•ืจื”. ืขืœ ืฆืขืฆื•ืขื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืžื•ืฉื’, ืขืœ ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื’ื ืœื, ืขืœ ืฉื™ืจื™ื - ืืžื ืฉืจื” ืœื ื• ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื”ืœื™ื›ื” ืœื™ืฉื•ืŸ - ื–ื” ื›ืŸ. ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืขืฆืžื” ื›ืžื• ื›ืœ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ื”, ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื—, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื›ื›ืจ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื”, ืฉืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœื–ื” ื—ื ื•ื™ื•ืช ืžืงื•ืจื•ืช (ืžื—ื™ืงื”) ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ืื ื™ ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื›ืจืชื™, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘, ืจืง ื’ื•ื™ ืื—ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขืœ ื‘ื™ืช ืžืจื–ื—. ืฉื ืฉืžืขื ื• ืงื•ืœื•ืช ืฉืœ ื’ื•ื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื”ื›ืจืชื™ ื’ื•ื™ ืื• ืฉื™ื™ื’ืขืฅ, ื™ืœื“ ืœื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืช ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืฉื ื’ืจื• ืจืง ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉืœื. ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืจื‘ืข, ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื—, ืžื›ืกื™ืžื•ื ืฉืœื™ืฉ ืฉืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืืคื™ืœื• ืžื•ื’ื–ื ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ืื‘ืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืœื-ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืจื•ื—ืงื™ื ืžื”ืžืจื›ื–. ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืื’ื™ืข ืœืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื” ืฉืื•ืชื” ืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘, ื›ื™ ืฉื ื’ื“ืœืชื™ - ื’ื ืฉื ื”ืžืฆื‘ ื”ื™ื” ื“ื•ืžื”. ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืจืง ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘. ืื ื—ื ื• ืขืฆืžื ื• ื’ืจื ื• ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืฆื“ื“ื™ ืื™ืคื” ืฉืœืกื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื›ื ืจืื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืืคื™ื™ื”, ื•ืฉื ื™ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื ืฉืœื• ื’ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืขืœื™ ืžืืคื™ื•ืช. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื™ืจืฉ ืืช ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ืžืื‘ื™ื•, ืœื‘ืŸ ื”ืฉื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืจื›ื–ื™, ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื•ืœ ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžื“ืจืฉ. ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉื™ืฆืืชื™ ืžื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื’ื™ืœ 10, ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืื™ื–ื” ื‘ื™"ืก ืคื•ืœื ื™, ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื›ื‘ืจ ืื– ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืืช ื”-ABC ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™, ื”ืœื˜ื™ื ื™. ืžื” ืฉื‘ื˜ื•ื—, ืฉื™ื“ืขืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืงืจื•ื ื•ื›ืชื•ื‘ ื•ืœื™ืžื•ื“ ื—ื•ืžืฉ ื‘ืฉืคื” ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ืช, ืฉืชืจื’ืžื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ื’ื ืœื™ื™ื“ื™ืฉ. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื™"ืก ืื—ืจ ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื” ืื– ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ืžื•ื“ ื—ื•ื‘ื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ื•ืื ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืื• ืœื.
ืฉ: ืื‘ื ืฉืœืš ื’ื ืขื‘ื“ ืขื ืกื‘ื ื‘ืžืืคื™ื™ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื›ืืžื•ืจ ื ื•ืœื“ืชื™ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืกื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืคื˜ืจ. ื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœื ื• ื›ืš, ืฉื›ืฉืงืจืื• ืœืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืœืชื•ืจื”, ืงืจืื• ื™ืขืžื•ื“ "ืคื ื—ืก ืื”ืจืŸ ื‘ืŸ ืื‘ืจื”ื ืฉืžื—ื”", ื•ื›ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื™ ืงืจืื• "ื™ืขืžื•ื“ ืื‘ืจื”ื ืฉืžื—ื” ื‘ืŸ ืคื ื—ืก ืื”ืจืŸ", ื›ืš ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœื ื•. ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉืฉื ื™ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื ืื—"ื› ืžืืคื™ื•ืช ื•ืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ืขืฆืžื ื‘ืžืืคื™ื™ื”, ืœืžื“ื• ืืช ื–ื” ืืฆืœ ืกื‘ื ื•ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืกื‘ื ืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื”. ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืื—ื“ ืฉื›ืŸ ืฉืžืขืชื™, ืฉืกื‘ืชื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื“ ื“ื•ืžื™ื ื ื˜ื™ืช, ืขื“ ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืš ืฉืกื‘ื ืืžืจ ืœื” ืคืขื: ืชืจืื™, ืืช ื ื•ื”ื’ืช ื›ื›ื” ื‘ืคื–ืจื ื•ืช ืฉื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืœื ื™ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืืคื™ืœื• ืชื›ืจื™ื›ื™ื. ื•ืื– ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ื•ืงื ืชื” ื‘ื“, ืชืคืจื” ืืช ื”ืชื›ืจื™ื›ื™ื ื•ืืžืจื”: ื ื•, ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืžื•ืชืจ ืœื™ ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš? ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืฉืžืขืชื™ ืžื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื. ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื• ืžื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื™ ื”ืจื‘ื”. ื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื”ื›ื™ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ ื•ืœื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ื•ื›ืžื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืกืคื•ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ืœืคื—ื•ืช ืื™ื–ื” ื—ืฆื™ ืชืจื™ืกืจ ื•ืœื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืžื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื›ืŸ ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื›ืš ืฉื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื“ื™ ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ื•ื™ื“ื•ืขื”. ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืžื•ืฆื ืžืฉืคื—ืชื™ ืžืฉื, ืืœื” ื”ืฉื•ืจืฉื™ื. ื›ืืžื•ืจ, ืขื“ ื’ื™ืœ 10... ืžืื– ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื—ื•ื–ืจื™ื ืœืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ืœื‘ืงืจ ืืช ืงืจื•ื‘ื™ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืœืงื‘ืจ ืื‘ื•ืช. ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื‘ืคืกื—, ื›ืฉืžืืคื™ื•ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื•ืช ืฉืืคื• ื—ืžืฅ ื”ื™ื• ืกื’ื•ืจื•ืช, ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื’ื™ื’ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ื•ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื. ืื”, ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืช ื™ืœื“ื•ืช ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ื‘ืืžืช ืืช ืคืกื— ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืœื˜ื•ื‘ื” - ื”ื™ื” ื ืงื™, ื”ื™ื” ื™ืคื”, ืื‘ื ืœื ืขื‘ื“, ื—ื’ื™ื’ื” ืžืžืฉ. ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืฉืคืขื ื‘ืคืกื— ื›ื–ื” ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืขื ืื—ื™, ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฆืขื™ืจ ืžืžื ื™, ืขืœ ื™ื“ ืื™ื–ื• ื‘ืืจ, ืฉื™ื—ืงื ื•, ื•ืื ื™, ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืืช ื”ืžืงืœ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืืชื• ื”ื™ื• ืฉื•ืื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ืžื™ื ืžื”ื‘ืืจ, ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื•ื ืฆื•ืจื” ืื—ืจืช. ื”ื™ื” ืžืงืœ, ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ื”ื™ื” ืžื™ืŸ ื•ื• ื›ื–ื” ืฉืขืœื™ื• ืชืœื™ื ื• ืืช ื”ื“ืœื™ ื•ื›ื›ื” ืฉื•ืื‘ื™ื ืžื™ื. ื”ื•ื ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืงืฆื” ื”ืื—ื“ ื•ืื ื™ ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืœืชืคื•ืก ื‘ืงืฆื” ื”ืฉื ื™ ื•ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืื• ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื–ืจ ืœื™ ืื• ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื•, ื ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืขื ื”ืจืืฉ ืœืชื•ืš ื”ื‘ืืจ - ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉื”ืฆื™ืœื• ืื•ืชื™ - ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื–ื›ื•ืจ ืžื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืคืฉื™ื™ืฅ' PSZEICH.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื”ื›ืœ ื‘-ืคืฉื™ื™ืฅ' PSZEICH?
ืช: ื›ืŸ. ื‘ืฉื ืช 1929, ื”ืฉื ื” ื‘ื” ื ื•ืœื“ ืื—ื™ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื ืืœืฆื ื• ื›ื ืจืื” ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ื•ืืช ื”ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืกืžื•ื›ื” ืœืฉื. ืื– ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœื’ื•ืจ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืื—ืจ, ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื”ื–ืžื ื™ื•ืช - ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื–ืžื ื™ ื›ืฉืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœืฉื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืœื™ ืกื“ืจ, ื‘ืœื™ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœื’ื•ืจ ืœืฉื. ืื ื™, ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ "ื—ื“ืจ" ื ืฉืœื—ืชื™ ืœืกื“ืจ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืืžื™ ืฉืœื—ื” ืื•ืชื™. ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ "ืืžื™", ื›ื™ ืื‘ื ืื– ืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื‘ืช 13 ื ืกืขื• ืœืขื™ื™ืจื” ืกื•ืžืคื•ืœื ื• SOMPOLNO, ืฉื ืคืชื—ื• ืžืืคื™ื™ื”. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืกืข ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉื‘ื•ืข, ืฉื‘ื•ืขื™ื™ื ืื• ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ืงื•ื“ื ืขื ืื—ื•ืชื™, ื•ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืื– ื”ืžื•ื›ืจืช ื‘ื—ื ื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืฉื, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื‘ืขื’ืœื” ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื”ืื— ื”ืงื˜ืŸ ื‘ืชื•ืš ืขืจื™ืกื” ืขื ื›ืจื™ื•ืช ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื‘ืขื’ืœื” ืื—ืช ืœื ื’ื“ื•ืœื”. ื”ืžืงื•ื ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืจื›ื– ืฉืœ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื”. ืžืจื›ื– ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื™ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื›ื›ืจ, ื•ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘-ืกื•ืžืคื•ืœื ื• SOMPOLNO ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืžืจื›ื–ื™ ืฉื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื’ื ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื’ื‘ื•ื” ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ืขื™ืจ ืขื ืžื’ื“ืœ - ืœืฆื•ืจืš ืžื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื’ื“ืœ ื”ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ืขืœื• ืœืฉื ื‘ื›ืžื” ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช, ืื•ืœื™ 8 ืื• 10. ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื’ื ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจื”, ื’ื ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกื•ื”ืจ. ืžืื—ื•ืจ ื”ื™ื” ืžื›ื‘ื™ ืืฉ, ืฉื”ืื•ืœื ืฉืœื• ืฉื™ืžืฉ ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื›ื‘ื™ืช ืงื•ืœื ื•ืข ื›ืฉื”ืฆื™ื’ื• ืคืขื ืื™ื–ื” ืกืจื˜, ื•ืžืžืฉ ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื—ื ื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ืœื—ื–ื™ืช ื•ืžืื—ื•ืจ ื›ืœ ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ื•ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš ื—ื“ืจื™ ืžื’ื•ืจื™ื. ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ืฉื ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื—ื“ืจื™ ืžื’ื•ืจื™ื, ืžื˜ื‘ื—. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื ืช 1929. ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื›ืžื• ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ืงื•ื“ืžืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื’ื ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœื›ื™ื›ืจ. ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืกืคื•ืจ ืขืœ ื™ื“ ืื—ืช, ืื•ืœื™ ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืืช ื”ืœื-ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื’ืจื• ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืขืจื™ืš ืืช ื–ื” ืœืคื—ื•ืช ื‘-50 ื‘ืชื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื’ืจื• ืฉื. ืžื›ืœ ืคื™ื ืช ื”ื›ื™ื›ืจ ื™ื•ืฆื ืื™ื–ื” ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืœื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืื—ืจ ื•ืžื”ืจื—ื•ื‘ ื”ื–ื” ืื•ืœื™ ืขื•ื“ ืื™ื–ื” ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืฉืžื—ื‘ืจ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืื—ื“ ืœืฉื ื™, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื›ืœ. ื”ืœื-ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืขื™ืจ ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ, ืžืชื•ืš ื›-5000 ื”ื™ื™ื ื• 1000 ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืžืจื›ื– ื”ืขื™ืจ ืœื ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ื•ืœื˜ื™ื ืืœื ื›ืฉื”ื™ื• ืื™ ืืœื• ื˜ืงืกื™ื ื“ืชื™ื™ื, ื•ืื– ื‘ืชื”ืœื•ื›ื•ืช ื”ื“ืชื™ื•ืช ื”ืืœื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ืกื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ื‘ืชื™ื ืฉืœื ื•, ืžืฆื™ืฆื™ื ืจืง ืžื”ื—ืœื•ืŸ ื•ืจื•ืื™ื ืืช ื”ื”ืžื•ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืฉื‘ืชื”ืœื•ื›ื” ืฉืจื• ื•ื”ืœื›ื•, ืชื”ืœื•ื›ื•ืช ื“ืชื™ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืืชื ืœื ืขืฉื™ืชื ืชื”ืœื•ื›ื•ืช, ืœืžืฉืœ ื‘ืฉืžื—ืช ืชื•ืจื”?
ืช: ืชื”ืœื•ื›ื•ืช ื‘ืฉืžื—ืช ืชื•ืจื” ืœื ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื ื‘ื—ื•ืฆื•ืช ื”ืขื™ืจ, ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™. ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช ื›ื ืกืช ืื—ื“ ื“ื™ ืžืคื•ืืจ, ื“ื™ ื’ื“ื•ืœ. ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช ืžื“ืจืฉ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ืจื‘ ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ - ื‘ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืœืคืจื•ื–ื“ื•ืจ ืžืฆื“ ืฉืžืืœ ื”ืจื‘ ื•ืžืฆื“ ื™ืžื™ืŸ ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžื“ืจืฉ, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ "ืฉื˜ื™ื‘ืœ" - ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ืฉืœ ื—ืกื™ื“ื™ื, ืื™ืคื” ืฉืจืง ื—ืกื™ื“ื™ื ื”ืชืคืœืœื•. ื”ืฉืžื—ื•ืช, ื›ืžื• ืฉืžื—ืช ืชื•ืจื”, ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื‘ืชื™ ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืืœื” - ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžื“ืจืฉ, ื‘"ืฉื˜ื™ื‘ืœ", ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ื ืกืช, ื›ืœ ื”ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ื”ืืœื•, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืขื™ืจ ืœื.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืช ืื•ืžืจ ืฉ-1000 ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืžืชื•ืš ื”-5000 ื”ื™ื• ืžื•ืจื’ืฉื™ื ื‘ืขื™ืจ, ื ื•ื›ื—ื•ืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ืจื’ืฉืช?
ืช: ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ื›ืŸ. ื ื•ื›ื—ื•ืชื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ืจื’ืฉืช ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ื—ื ื•ื™ื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื, ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ืžืงืฆื•ืขื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื, ืฉื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื ื•ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืื—ืจื™ื, ื›ืžื•: ื—ื™ื™ื˜ื•ืช, ื’ื ืกื ื“ืœืจื•ืช. ืœืื—ืจื•ื ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื•ืขืจ ืœืœื›ืช ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื’ื ื ื’ืจื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ื—ืฉื‘ ืœืžืงืฆื•ืข ื‘ื•ื ื”, ื‘ืžื‘ื˜ ืœื™ืฉืจืืœ, ืฉื”ืชื ื•ืขื•ืช ื”ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ื•ืช ืคื™ืชื—ื•. ืื– ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื’ื ื ื’ืจื•ืช, ื•ื’ื ืื ื™ ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื.
ืฉ: ื ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืœืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื, ืกืคืจ ืขืœื™ื”ื. ื–ื” ืžืื“ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ - ืื™ื–ื” ืืจื’ื•ื ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื ื•ืื™ื–ื” ืžื•ืกื“ื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื“ื™ ืงื˜ืŸ.
ืช: ืžื•ืกื“ื•ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื, ื—ื•ืฅ ืžื”ืงื”ื™ืœื”, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ื•ื” ื•ืฉื—ื™ื˜ื” ื•ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืงืฉื•ืจ ืœื“ืช, ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืงื•ืคืช ื’ืžื™ืœื•ืช ื—ืกื“ื™ื, ืขืœื™ื” ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ื•ืชื ื•ืขื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ื•ืช, ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืชื ื•ืขื•ืช ื ื•ืขืจ. ื”ืชื ื•ืขื” ื”ื“ื•ืžื™ื ื ื˜ื™ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืชื ื•ืขืช "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ", ืฉืืœื” ืฉื™ืฆืื• ืžืžื ื” ื›ื‘ืจ, ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ื’ื™ืœ, ื”ื™ื• ื‘"ื”ื—ืœื•ืฅ", ื’ื ื”ื™ื ืชื ื•ืขืช ื ื•ืขืจ. ืžืขื˜ ืžืื“ ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื™ืช"ืจื™ื, ืชื ื•ืขื•ืช ื ื•ืขืจ ืฉืœ ื”ื“ืชื™ื™ื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืขื™ืจ.
ืฉ: "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื” ืื–?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ื”ื™ื” ืงื™ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืขื™ื™ืจื”. ืื ื™, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื”ืžืฉื›ืชื™ ืืช ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืจื’ื™ืœ ืžืฉื ื•ื’ืžืจืชื™ ืืช ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ, ืืœื ืฉื”ืคืขื ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืžืฉื•ืœื‘ื™ื ืขื ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื—ื•ืœ. ื–"ื ืฉื‘"ืฉื˜ื™ื‘ืœ" ื”ื–ื” ืฉื‘ื• ืœืžื“ื ื• ืืช ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ, ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ื• ื”ื™ื” ืžื™ืŸ ื‘ื™"ืก ืฉื‘ื• ืžื•ืจื” ืื—ืช ืœื™ืžื“ื” - ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืืช ื”ืžืชื™ืžื˜ื™ืงื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืœื™ืžื“ื”, ื’ื ื”ืฉืคื” ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ืช ื•ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืžืงืฆื•ืขื•ืช ื”ืžืงื•ื‘ืœื™ื. ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืžื• ืฉื™ืจื” ืื• ืฆื™ื•ืจ, ืฉืœื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืชืขืžืœื•ืช, ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื” ืœื ืœืžื“ื ื• ืฉื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›"ื– ืœืžื“ื ื• ื’ื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื. ืฉื ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืืžืช ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงืฆืจื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื”ืชื•ื•ื“ืข ืœื™ืœื“ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื. ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ืœื ื“ืชื™ื™ื. ืชื•ืš ืคืจืง ื–ืžืŸ ืžืกื•ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ื”"ื‘ืจ-ืžืฆื•ื•ื”" ื’ื ืื ื™ ื”ืฆื˜ืจืคืชื™ ืœ"ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ". ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืกืคืจื™ื™ื”, ื”ืกืคืจื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื™ื™ื“ื™ืฉ. ืื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื• ืกืคืจื™ื ื‘ืขื‘ืจื™ืช ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื–ื›ืจ, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืžืจื‘ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืจื™ื ื›ื ืจืื” ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื™ื™ื“ื™ืฉ ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืื“ ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ืช. ื‘ืžื•ื ื—ื™ื ืฉืœ ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืกืคืจื™ื™ื” ืžืื“ ื™ืคื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืกืคืจื™ื™ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื•ื‘ืืžืช ืงืจืื ื• ืื– ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืื“.
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื• ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช?
ืช: ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื“ืชื™ืช, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ืฉืจื•ืช ื‘ืžืœื•ื ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ื”ืžื™ืœื”, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืื ืœื ื”ืกืคื™ืง ืื• ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœืœื›ืช ืœื”ืชืคืœืœ ื”ืชืคืœืœ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืขื ื”ื˜ืœื™ืช ื•ืชืคื™ืœื™ืŸ. ืื ื™ ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื›ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจื™ ื’ื™ืœ ื‘ืจ ืžืฆื•ื•ื” ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื”ืฉืชืžื˜ ืžืชืคื™ืœื•ืช ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื•ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื–ืžืŸ, ื›ืžื• ืฉื ื”ื•ื’ ื‘"ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขืกื•ืงื™ื ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื. ืื ื™ ื ื–ื›ืจ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื‘"ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ", ืฉืžืงื•ื‘ืœ, ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ื—ื™ื“ื” ืฉื‘ืœ"ื’ ื‘ืขื•ืžืจ ืื• ื‘ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ื™ื•ืช ืื—ืจื•ืช ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื›ืŸ ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ื‘ืชืœื‘ื•ืฉื•ืช ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื”, ืžืกื•ื“ืจื™ื ื‘ืฉื•ืจื•ืช-ืฉื•ืจื•ืช ืขื ืฉื™ืจื” ื•ืขื ื“ื’ืœ. ืฉื ื” ืื—ืช ืืคื™ืœื• ื”"ืงืŸ" ืฉืœื ื•, ืฉืœ "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ืืจื’ืŸ ืžื•ืฉื‘ืช ืงื™ืฅ ื‘ื›ืคืจ ืกืžื•ืš ืืœื™ื ื•, ื•ืœืฉื ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ื’ื .ืžืขื™ื™ืจื•ืช ืžื”ืกื‘ื™ื‘ื”. ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ืฉื‘ื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื” ื‘ืžืฉืš ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื›ืžื”. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื’ืจื™ื ืฉื ื™ื•ืžื ื•ืœื™ืœื” ื•ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขื•ืกืงื™ื ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื‘ื”ื ืขืกืงื” ืชื ื•ืขืช "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ".
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื’ื ืื•ืกืคื™ื ื›ืกืฃ ืœืงืจืŸ ืงื™ื™ืžืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ืงื•ืคืกื ื”ื›ื—ื•ืœื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื•ื‘ื” ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ื™ืช. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื•ืกืคื™ื ืืช ื”ื›ืกืฃ - ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฉื—ื–ืจ ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื”ืœืš. ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื˜ื— ื›ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ื’ื•ื‘ื™ื ื•ืฉื•ืœื—ื™ื. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคืขื™ืœื•ืช ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื™ื™ืžืช. ืืคื™ืœื• ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉ ืžืื“ ื“ืชื™, ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืกื ื™ืฃ "ื”ืžื–ืจื—ื™". ืื ื™ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืกื ื™ืฃ ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืžืฆื”ื™ืจ ืขืœ ืขืฆืžื• ื›"ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ ืžื–ืจื—ื™". ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืจื•ื‘ ืจื•ื‘ื ืฉืœ ื”ืชื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืขื™ืจ ื”ื™ื• ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ื™ื. ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืชื ื•ืขืช "ื”ื—ืœื•ืฅ" ื ืกืขื• ืœื”ื›ืฉืจื” ื‘ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื™ื, ื›ืžื• ืฉืืฆืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื›ืฉืจื” ืฉืœ ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืื—ืจื™ื ืฉืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ืขื™ืจ. ืื ื™ ืขื•ื“ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืืฆืœื ื• ืขื‘ื“ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื”ื”ื›ืฉืจื” ื•ื”ื™ื” ืื—ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ืžื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื“ืจื•ืฉื™ื ืœืžืืคื™ื™ื” ืžืชื•ืš ืžืฉืื‘ื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ื‘ืžืจื›ื– ื›ื™ื›ืจ ื”ืขื™ืจ. ืžื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ืจื‘ื” ื ืกืขื• ืœื”ื›ืฉืจื”, ืื—ื“ื™ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœื›ืืŸ ื“ืจืš ื”ื”ื›ืฉืจื”, ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืœื›ืืŸ ืื—"ื› ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ืฉืœื”ื, ื›ืš ืฉื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื›ืืŸ ื”ื™ื• ื“ื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืฆืื™ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื ื•, ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ืฆื™ื•ื ื™ืช.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื‘ืขืฆืžืš ืจืฆื™ืช ืœื‘ื•ื ืœืคืœืฉืชื™ื ื” ื“ืื– ืื• ืฉืงืจืืชื ืœื–ื” ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ?
ืช: ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืžื“ื™ ื›ื“ื™ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืžืžืฉื™, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืฉืื™ืคื” ื•ื”ื—ืœื•ื: ืื ื—ื ื• ื ืขืœื” ืœืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื•ื ื‘ื ื” ืื•ืชื”. ืœืฆื•ืจืš ื–ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืื™ื–ื” ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื™ืฆืจื ื™, ืžืงืฆื•ืข ืฉืœ ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื. ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ื—ืจ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™ ื ื’ืจ. ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืชื ื•ืขืช "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ื‘ืจ ื‘ื”, ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื™ื›ื ืก ืœืžืืคื™ื™ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื•ื‘ื“ืช ื‘ืœื™ืœื•ืช ื•ื™ืฉื ื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ื ื•ืื– ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื ื•ืชืงื™ื ืžื”ืื—ืจื™ื, ื•ืœื ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฉื•ื ืคื ื™ื. ืื– ื ืฉืœื—ืชื™ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื™ืฆืจื ื™ ื›ื–ื”, ืฉื”ื™ื” ื”ื ื’ืจื•ืช. ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ื‘ืžื•ื ื—ื™ื ืฉืœ ืขืชื™ื“ื ื• ื‘ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ. ืœื ืจืื™ื ื• ืฉื•ื ืืคืฉืจื•ืช ืœื”ืชืงื™ื™ื ืฉื.
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ืจื•ืื” ืขืœ ื”ืงื•ืคืกื ืฉืœ ืงืจืŸ ืงื™ื™ืžืช ืืช ื”ืžืคื” ืฉืœ ืคืœืฉืชื™ื ื” - ืื™ืš ื“ืžื™ื™ื ืช ืœืขืฆืžืš ืืช ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื“ืื–? ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื–ื” ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ ืื• ืคืœืฉืชื™ื ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ, ื"ื™. ืคืœืฉืชื™ื ื” ืื•ืœื™ ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืœืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื”ืชื›ืชื‘ื•ืช ื‘"ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืขื‘ืจื™ืช, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืœืžื“ื ื• ืืช ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืœืžื“ืชื™ ื’ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืขื‘ืจื™ืช ืขื“ ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืš ืฉื›ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืืจืฆื” ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืขื‘ืจื™ืช ืขื“ ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืš ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื™ื•ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืœืงืจืื• ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ, ืœืงืจื•ื ืฉืœื˜ื™ื ื•ืœื”ืชืงืฉืจ ืœืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืฉืคื” ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ืช, ื•ื’ื ืฉื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขื‘ืจื™ืช, ื›ืš ืฉื‘ืขื‘ืจื™ืช ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื˜ื— ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื•ืœื ืคืœืฉืชื™ื ื”. ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืื– ืžื•ืฉื’ ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื•ื - ื”ืขืจื›ื‘ื™ื ื•ื”ื›ืœ - ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ืื ืจืื™ื ื• ืคืขื ืื™ื–ื” ืกืจื˜ ืฉืžืกืคืจ ืขืœ ืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ, ืจืื™ื ื• ืืช ื”ืฆื•ืจื” ืื™ืš ืฉื‘ืื™ืŸ ื’ืฉืžื™ื ื”ืขืจื‘ื™ื ื•ืžืชืคืœืœื™ื ืœื’ืฉื ื•ื”ื—ืœื•ืฆื™ื ืฉืœื ื• ื—ื•ืคืจื™ื ื‘ืืจ, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื”ื“ื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื–ื”. ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ืฉืœืขืฆืžื ื• ืœื ื”ืชืขืžืงื ื• ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ื”ืชืขืžืงื ื•, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘, ื‘ื›ืœ ืกื•ื’ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื, ืฉื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืื– ื”ื™ื” ืžืื“ ืืงื˜ื•ืืœื™: ื”ืคืืฉื™ื–ื, ื”ืกื•ืฆื™ืืœื™ื–ื, ื”ืงื•ืžื•ื ื™ื–ื, ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืœืœื™ื™ื ื›ืืœื•, ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉืžืฆืคื” ืœื ื• ื›ืืŸ - ืœื. ืขืœื™ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื ื” ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื•ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื” ื™ืœื“ ื”ื™ื™ืช - ืฉื•ื‘ื‘, ื—ื‘ืจ'ื”ืžืŸ? ื”ื™ื• ืœืš ื—ื‘ืจื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉื•ื‘ื‘, ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื•ื‘ื‘. ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื‘ื‘. ืฉื•ื‘ื‘ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื”ืฉืงื•ืฆื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืฉื–ืจืงื• ืขืœื™ื ื• ืื‘ื ื™ื, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• - ืื™ืš ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ - ื”ื‘ืœื’ื ื•, ืœื ื ื›ื ืกื ื• ืืชื ืœืชื’ืจื•ืช. ืื ื™ ืจืง ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื•ืœื™ ื‘ืฉื ืช 5' - 36', ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืื“ ืคืขื™ืœ ื‘ืชื•ืš ืชื ื•ืขืช ื”ื ื•ืขืจ, ื‘ืื” ืœื‘ื™ืงื•ืจ ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžื”ืืจืฅ, ื•ืืชื ื‘ืช ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืื– ื›ื ืจืื” ื‘ื’ื™ืœื™, ื‘ืขืจืš ื‘ืช 15, ื•ืื– ื›ืฉืขืžื“ื ื• ืืชื” ื‘ืžืจื›ื–, ื‘ื›ื™ื›ืจ ื”ืขื™ืจ, ืฉืงื•ืฆื™ื ืขื‘ืจื• ื•ื–ืจืงื• ืขืœื™ื ื• ืื‘ื ื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ื ื‘ืœื™ ื”ื™ืกื•ืก ืชืคืกื” ื›ืžื” ืื‘ื ื™ื ื•ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืœื–ืจื•ืง ืขืœื™ื”ื ื‘ื—ื–ืจื”. ื”ืจื•ืฉื ื”ืื“ื™ืจ ืฉื–ื” ืขืฉื” ืขืœื™ื ื•, ืฉื”ื ื”, ืžื™ืฉื”ื™ ืฉื‘ืื” "ืžืฉื" ื ื•ื”ื’ืช ื›ืš. ื–ื” ื”ืฉืื™ืจ ืขืœื™ื ื•, ืขืœ ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืจื•ืฉื ืื“ื™ืจ. ืœื ืฉื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ืœื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื‘ื“ืจื›ื”, ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื”ื™ื ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ, ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ.
ืฉ: ืืชื ืœื ื–ื•ืจืงื™ื ื‘ื—ื–ืจื” ืื‘ื ื™ื?
ืช: ืœื, ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœื”ืจืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ืœืขืฆืžื ื•. ื”ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ื‘ืขื™ืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ืื•ื™ืจื”, ื‘ืื•ื™ืจ ืžืืฉืจ ืžืžืฉื™ืช. ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืฉื•ื ืกื™ืกืžืื•ืช, ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืชื™ื, ืขืœ ื”(ื—ื ื•ื™ื•ืช?) "ืืœ ืชืงื ื” ืืฆืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื", "ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื ืืกื•ื ื ื•" ืื• ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื” - ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœื ื•. ื’ื ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™, ืœืžืฉืœ, ื‘ื‘ื™"ืก, ืฉื”ื›ื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื’ื ื›ืŸ ืžืœืžื“, ื•ืื™ืš ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ื›ื•ืžืจ ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื˜ื™ืฃ ืื™ ืคืขื ื ื’ื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื•ื”ืœื ื”ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื” ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืžืฉื(?). ื’ื ืžื•ืจื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™"ืก ื”ื™ื• ื ื’ื“ื ื•. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื—ื“ ื›ื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืจืืฉ ืชื ื•ืขืช "ื”ืฆื•ืคื™ื ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื". "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขืฆื ืžื•ื›ืจ ืข"ื™ ื”ืฉืœื˜ื•ื ื•ืช ื›ืชื ื•ืขืช ืฆื•ืคื™ื ืขืœ ืขืงืจื•ื ื•ืชื™ื• ืฉืœ ื‘ืื“ืŸ ืคืื•ืœ. ืฆื•ืจืช ื”ืขื ื™ื‘ื•ืช ื•ื”ื—ื•ืœืฆื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ืœืคื™ ื”ืขืงืจื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื•, ืฉื’ื ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื ื”ื’ื• ื‘ื”ื, ืื•ืชื• ื“ื‘ืจ. ืื‘ืœ ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืœืฆื•ืคื™ื ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข ื‘ืขืฆื ืžื™ ืื ื—ื ื•, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืžืชืขืกืงื™ื ืืš ื•ืจืง ื‘ื–ื”, ืืฃ ืขืœ ืคื™ ืฉื’ื ื”ืชืขืกืงื ื• ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืฉื™ื™ื›ื™ื ืœืฆื•ืคื™ื. ื‘ื‘ื™"ืก ืœื ืคืขื ื”ื•ื ื ื™ื”ืœ ืืชื ื• ื•ื™ื›ื•ื—ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื•, ื‘ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืกืงื™ื ื•ืœืžื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืืช ื–ื” ื•ื”ืจื’ืฉื ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ืœื ืžืกืžืคื˜ ืื•ืชื ื•, ืฉื”ื•ื ื ื’ื“ื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืžืžืฉ ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ื›ื–ืืช - ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื™ืฉ, ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ืขื ื–ื” ื•ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื ืขื ื–ื”. ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื ืขื ื–ื” ื•ืฉืื™ืคืชื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ื–ืืช ื•ื’ื ืฉืื™ืคืช ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ - ืื ื™ - ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืฉื”ื™ื ืฆื•ืจื” ืื ื™ ืื’ื™ืข ืœืืจืฅ ื™ืฉืจืืœ.
ืฉ: ื”ื–ื›ืจืช ืžื“ื™ื - ื”ืื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื‘ื“ืœ ื‘ืฆื‘ืขื™ ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืžื“ื™ื ืฉืœื›ื ืœื‘ื™ืŸ ืืœื” ืฉืœ ื”ืฆื•ืคื™ื ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืœื. ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืืฆืœื ื• ื”ื”ื‘ื“ืœ ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื”ืชื‘ื˜ื ื‘ืขื ื™ื‘ื•ืช. ื”ืขื ื™ื‘ื•ืช ืกื™ืžืœื• ืืช ื”ื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื - ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื™ืš ืงืจืื• ืœืฆื•ืคื™ื ื”ื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื - ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืฉื›ื‘ื•ืช ื”ื ืžื•ื›ื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœืฉื›ื‘ื•ืช ื”ื‘ื•ื’ืจื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ. ื”ื™ื•, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘, ืฉืœืฉ ืฉื›ื‘ื•ืช,ื•ืœืฉื›ื‘ื” ื”ื‘ื•ื’ืจืช ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืจืง ืขืœื™ื™ื” ืื• ื”ื›ืฉืจื” ืื• ืฉื™ืขื–ื‘ื• ืืช ื”ืชื ื•ืขื”, ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ื ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื” ืœืืœื” ืฉืœื ื”ืœื›ื• ืœื”ื’ืฉืžื”. ืืœื• ืฉื ืคืœื˜ื• ื ื›ื ืกื• ืœ"ื”ื—ืœื•ืฅ" ืื• ืœืžืกื’ืจืช ืื—ืจืช.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื™ื–ื” ืžื“ืจื™ืš ืžื”ืชื ื•ืขื”?
ืช: ื”ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ืจืื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืื˜ืŸ, ืฉืื—"ื› ืขืœื” ืืจืฆื” ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืฉื ื•ืช ื”-30, ื”ื™ื” ื’ื•ื˜ืžืŸ ื™ื‘ื•ืœืกืงื™ ื”ื™ื” ื”ืฉื ื™. ื‘ืจื‘ื•ืช ื”ื™ืžื™ื, ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืชื‘ื’ืจืชื™ ืื ื™ ื”ื“ืจื›ืชื™ ืงื‘ื•ืฆืช ื ื•ืขืจ ืฆืขื™ืจื”, ืงื‘ื•ืฆืช ืฆื•ืคื™ื. ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืขื™ื™ืจื” ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ื”ืžืฉื›ืชื™ ื‘ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ืงื•ื“ืฉ, ื”ืžืฉื›ืชื™ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืžื“ืจืฉ. ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉื’ื ื”ืฆื˜ื™ื™ื ืชื™ ื‘ืœื™ืžื•ื“ื™ ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื›ื™ ื ืฉืœื—ืชื™ ืขื ืขื•ื“ ืฉืœื•ืฉื” - ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืืจื‘ืขื” - ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืืฆืœ ื”ืจื‘, ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” "ืžืฉื”ื•"! ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืืจื‘ืขืชื ื•, ื•ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืจื‘ ื•ื”ืจื‘ - ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉืฉื” ืฉืœืžื“ื ื• ืฉื ืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื”ืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ. ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื–ื” ืœื ืœืื•ืจืš ืฉื ื™ื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืคืจืง ื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ - ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ืฆื™ ืฉื ื” ืื• ืฉื ื” ืฉืœืžื“ื ื• ืฉื ืืฆืœ ื”ืจื‘. ืขื•ื“ ืœืคื ื™ ื–ื” ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืžื“ื™ ืฉื‘ืช ืœืขืฉื™ืจื™ ื”ืขื™ืจ, ืฉื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื›ืŸ ื‘ืงื™ืื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืจื” ืื• ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืœืคืจืฉืช ื”ืฉื‘ื•ืข, ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื”ื ื™ื‘ื—ื ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืžื” ืœืžื“ื ื• ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ืฉื‘ื•ืข, ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืงื™ืื™ื ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื•ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื” ืชืคื•ื— ืœืื•ืช ื”ื•ืงืจื” ืฉืขืžื“ื ื• ื‘ืžื‘ื—ืŸ. ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื•ืช ื‘ื’ืจื•ืช, ื›ืžื• ืฉื›ื•ืœื ืžืชื‘ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ื–ืืช.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื” ืขื“ ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืช: ืœื, ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืชื ื•ืขื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืชืคืจืงื” ื›ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ืœืคื ื™ ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ื ืกืขืชื™ ืžื“ื™ ืคืขื ืœืืŸ-ืฉื”ื•ื, ื›ืื™ืœื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“, ืื‘ืœ ื ืกืขืชื™ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืœืขื™ืจ ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืฉืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื ื• ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืื ื™ ื’ืจืชื™ ืืฆืœื. ืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื‘ื ื’ืจื•ืช ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื ื’ืจ, ื•ืื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœ"ืงืŸ" ืฉืœ "ื”ืฉื•ืžืจ ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ" ื‘ืœื•ื“ื–' LODZ, ื•ืฉื ืคื’ืฉื ื• ื—ื‘ืจื™ื, ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช. ื”ืชื ื•ืขื” ื›ืฉืœืขืฆืžื” ื”ืชื—ืกืœื” ื‘ืฉื ืช 37' ื‘ืขืจืš, ืขื ืขืœื™ื™ืชื• ืฉืœ ืจืื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืื˜ืŸ (?) ืฉื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื“ืจื™ืš ื”ืจืืฉื™ ืฉื, ื•ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ืชื ื•ืขื” ื“ืขื›ื”. ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืขืกื•ืง ื‘ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ืฉืœื• ื•ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ื›ื ืจืื” ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืจืื•ื™ื™ื” ืœื–ื” ืฉืชื ื•ืขื” ื›ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืงื™ื™ืžืช. ื”ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ืฉื”ื•ืจื’ืฉื” ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ืฉื ื™ื ืฉืœืคื ื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”...
ืฉ: ืขื ืขืœื™ื™ืช ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ ืœืฉืœื˜ื•ืŸ ื‘ืฉื ืช 33' ื”ื™ื™ืช ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ืชื ื•ืขื”?
ืช: ื›ืŸ.
ืฉ: ื”ืื ื“ื‘ืจืชื ืขืœ ื–ื” - ืื•ืœื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืื•ื—ืจ ืขื ื—ื•ืงื™ ื ื™ืจื ื‘ืจื’ ื‘-35' ื•ืื—"ื› ืœื™ืœ ื”ื‘ื“ื•ืœื— ื‘-38'?
ืช: ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื•ื“ืขื™ื ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ืช ื•ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื™ืฉ. ืงืฉื” ืœื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื“ืจืžื˜ื™ืช, ื›ืื™ืœื• ืฉืจืื™ื ื• ื‘ื–ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื”ืขื•ืœื ืžืชื”ืคืš ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ืœืื™ื–ื• ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืกื•ืคื” ืžื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืฉื™ื”ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืœื ืจืื™ืชื ืืช ื–ื” ื›ื›ื”?
ืช: ืœื. ืจืื™ื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืื•ืชื” ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ืคื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”, ืืœื ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื–ื”. ืื‘ืœ ืžืฆื“ ืฉื ื™ ื–ื” ืจื—ื•ืง ืžืืชื ื•, ื•ื—ื•ืฅ ืžื–ื” ื”ืื™ื–ื•ืจ ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื•ื ืžืžืฉ ืื™ื–ื•ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ื• ื’ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง, ื™ื™ืชื›ืŸ ืฉื”ืื™ื–ื•ืจ ืฉืœื ื• ืขื“ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ืงื™ื™ื–ืจ ื•ื™ืœื”ืœื, ื”ื™ื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื•ืื ืœื, ืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ืขืœ ื”ื’ื‘ื•ืœ.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœ-ืœื•ื“ื–' LODZ?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ื” ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœืœื•ื“ื–'. ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื”ื™ื ืžืžืฉ ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื”ื“ืจืš ื‘ื™ืŸ ื•ืจืฉื” ืœืคื•ื–ื ืŸ POZNAN, ืื•ืœื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœ-ืคื•ื–ื ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืžืžืฉ ื‘ืืžืฆืข, ื›ืš ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื•ื‘ืจื™ ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืคื•ืœืงืกื“ื•ื™ื˜ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘, ื•ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ื›ื™ืจื• ืืช ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื•ืืžืจื• ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื–ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืื›ื–ืจื™ื™ื ื•ื‘ื•ื˜ื™ื ื›ืžื• ืฉื”ื’ื•ื™ื™ื. ื’ื ืืฆืœ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื”ืจื™ ืจืืฉ ื”ืžืžืฉืœื” ืฉื ื’ื ื™ืฆื ื ื’ื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื‘ื–ืžื ื• ืืžืจ ืฉื‘ื•ื™ืงื•ื˜ - ื›ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืคื™ื–ื™ืช ื ื’ื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื - ืœื, ื–ื” ืœื. ื‘ื•ื™ืงื•ื˜ ื›ืœื›ืœื™ ื•ื“ื™ื›ื•ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืฉื”ื™ื ืฆื•ืจื” - ื›ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” "ืชืจื‘ื•ืชื™ืช". ื›ื›ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืจืื™ื ื• ืืช ื–ื”. ื›ืฉื™ืฆืื• ื—ื•ืงื™ ื ื™ืจื ื‘ืจื’, ืฉืืžืจื• ืฉื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื—ื•ืง - ื”ื—ื•ืง ื‘ืžื•ื ื—ื™ื ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืžื’ื‘ื™ืœ, ื”ื—ื•ืงื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื ื’ื“ ื”ื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื ืžืืฉืจ ื”ื—ื•ืง ืœื˜ื•ื‘ืช ื”ื‘ืŸ-ืื“ื, ื›ืš ืฉืื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื—ื•ืง ืื– ื”ื—ื•ืง ืœื ื™ื›ื‘ื™ื“ ืขืœื™ื”ื, ืœื ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช. ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืฉื›ื™ืœื™ื ืื• ืื ืฉื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื ืงื‘ืœื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื›ืš. ืื ืืช ืฉื•ืืœืช, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ, ืฉืœื ืจืง ืขื“ ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืืœื ืืคื™ืœื• ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืื•ืœื™ ืื ื™ ืงื•ืคืฅ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื“ื™ ืงื“ื™ืžื”, ืฉืืคื™ืœื• ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื•ื”ื™ืžื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ื›ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื ื›ื ืกื• ืœืขื™ื™ืจื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื™ื“ ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื - ื•ืืกืคื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืœืžืจื•ืžื™ ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื”, ืฉื ืืžืจื• ืœื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื (ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื™ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืžืชืจื’ื:) ื”ื’ื“ืœื•ืช ืฉืœื›ื ื ื’ืžืจื”, ืืชื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื–ืจื—ื™ื ืžื“ืจื’ื” ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช. ืœื ืœืงื—ื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช, ืจืื™ื ื• ื‘ื–ื” ื”ืžืฉืš ืื™ื˜ื™ ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื”, ื•ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื” ื›ืžื• ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืื– ื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ืขื•ื“ ืžืฉื”ื•. ืœื ืœืงื—ื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื˜ืจืื’ื™ืช ื›ืœ ื›ืš, ื›ืš ืฉืžืขื˜ ืžืื“ ืžื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื‘ืจื—ื• ืœืืŸ-ืฉื”ื•ื, ืืœื ืจื•ื‘-ืจื•ื‘ื ื ืฉืืจื• ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื”.
ืฉ: ื™ืคื” ืชืืจืช ืืช ื–ื”. ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ื”ื›ืœืœื™ืช, ืœื ืจืง ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื™ื–ื• ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ืฉืœ ืกื›ื ื” ืžืชืงืจื‘ืช?
ืช: ืœืคื ื™ ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”? ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืžื” ืฉืงืจืืชื™ ืื– ื‘ืขื™ืชื•ื ื™ื - ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืืžื ื ืขื ืฉื•ืชืฃ, ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™, ื•ืื ื™ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืงืจืืชื™ ื‘ื•, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืกืคื™ืง ื’ื“ื•ืœ. ืœื™ ืงืฉื”... ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ ืœื ืจืื™ืชื™ ื‘ื–ื” ื‘ื”ืœื” ืื• ื”ืชื›ื•ื ื ื•ืช ืื• ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืชืืจ ืœืขืฆืžื• ืžื” ื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืžืœื—ืžื” ืขื ื—ื™ืœ-ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจ. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื”ืกืชื›ืœื• ืœืžืขืœื” ืื™ืš ืฉืื•ื•ื™ืจื•ืŸ ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืžืกืชื•ื‘ื‘ ืœื•, ื•ืืžืจื•: ืžื”, ืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ืœื™ืจื•ืช ื‘ื•, ืœื”ื•ืจื™ื“ ืื•ืชื•? ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ ืขืœ ืžืœื—ืžื” ื‘ืงื ื” ืžื™ื“ื” ื›ื–ื” ื•ืขื ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื‘ื. ืœื ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืื“ื™ืฉื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืจืื™ื ื• ื‘ื–ื” ืกื›ื ื” ืงื™ื•ืžื™ืช. ืžืœื—ืžื” - ื›ืžื• ืžืœื—ืžื”, ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืœื—ืžื”, 20 ืฉื ื” ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ, ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืžืœื—ืžื” ื›ื–ื• ื’ื“ื•ืœื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ืกื‘ืœื ื• ืžืกืคื™ืง, ื•ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ื–ื• - ืž ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื•ืœื™ ืžื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ื–ื• ืชื‘ื•ื ื”ื’ืื•ืœื” ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื”, ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ืœื ืฉื›ืœ ื›ืš ืจืื™ื ื• ื‘ื” ืืกื•ืŸ.
ืฉ: ื‘ื‘ื™ืช - ื”ืื ื“ื‘ืจืชื ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืžืชืจื—ืฉ?
ืช: ื‘ื˜ื— ืฉื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื›ืžื• ื‘ื›ืœ ื‘ื™ืช, ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืžืชืจื—ืฉ. ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื‘ืกืขื•ื“ื•ืช - ื”ืจื™ ืืจื•ื—ื•ืช ืฆื”ืจื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืฉื•ืชืคื•ืช ืœื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ืฉืœื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืืจื•ื—ืช ืฉื‘ืช, ืœื™ืœ ืฉื‘ืช, ื›ืœ ื”ืฉื‘ืช. ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืžืชื•ื•ื›ื—ื™ื. ืืช ืžืชื›ื•ื•ื ืช ืื ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืžืžืฉื™ ืžื” ืืคืฉืจ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื•ืžื” ื ืขืฉื” ื‘ื ื™ื“ื•ืŸ? ืœื, ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืคื” ื—ืกืจื™ ืื•ื ื™ื ื•ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ ื›ืืŸ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ื ื™ื“ื•ืŸ, ื•ื—ื™ื›ื™ื ื• ืœืžื” ืฉื™ื”ื™ื”, ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื“ืข ืœื”ืกืชื’ืœ, ืจืง ืœื”ืกืชื’ืœ, ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ื‘ืฉื•ื ืคื ื™ื ืขืœ ืœื—ื™ืžื”.
ืฉ: ืœื—ื™ืžื” ื•ื“ืื™ ืœื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ืื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืขืœืชื” ืื™ื–ื• ืžื—ืฉื‘ื” ืฉืœ ื‘ืจื™ื—ื”, ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืื•ืœื™ ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื’ื™ื•ื ื™.
ืช: ื‘ืจื™ื—ื” ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”?
ืฉ: ืขื ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืื• ืขืจื‘ ืœืคื ื™.
ืช: ืขืจื‘ ืœืคื ื™ ื‘ื˜ื— ืฉืœื, ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ ืขืจื‘ ืœืคื ื™ ืขืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื”. ืžื” ืฉื›ื‘ืจ ืขืœื” - ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื”ืคืฆืฆื•ืช ื’ื ืื ื—ื ื• ืืจื–ื ื• ื•ืขื‘ืจื ื• ื‘ืขื’ืœื” ื›-12 ืง"ืž ืœืขื™ื™ืจื” ืกืžื•ื›ื”, ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืกืžื•ื›ื” ืœืžืงื•ื ื”ืžื’ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ืกื‘ื ื•ืกื‘ืชื ืžืฆื“ ืืžื. ืกื‘ื ื•ืกื‘ืชื ืžืฆื“ ืืžื ื–ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืืจื•ืš ื•ื™ืคื”. ื ืกืขื ื• ืœืฉื, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื‘ืžื•ื ื—ื™ื ื”ืืœื•, ืฉืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื‘ืจื•ื— ืœืงืฆื” ื”ืขื•ืœื, ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื™ื“ ื”ืืจื•ื›ื” ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื - ืœื, ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ื‘ื›ืœืœ. ื‘ื“ืจืš ื—ื–ืจื” ืž-ื•ืจืฉื”, ื›ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื—ื–ืจื• ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื™ืฉืจื” ื”ืžื•ื‘ื™ืœื” ืž-ื•ืจืฉื” ืœ-ืคื•ื–ื ืŸ POZNAN ื•ืœ-ื‘ืจืœื™ืŸ BERLIN - ื–ืืช ื“ืจืš ืžืื“ ื™ืฉืจื”. ื“ืจืš ืฉื ืขื‘ืจื• ื”ื’ื™ื™ืกื•ืช ื•ืื– ืฉื™ื›ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื• ืงืฆื™ืŸ ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื, ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื™ื˜ืœืจ. ืื ื™ ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ื“ื‘ืจืชื™ ืืชื• ื•ืฉืจืชื ื• ืื•ืชื•. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื, ื•ื›ืš ืฉื”ืกื›ื ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื ืจืื™ืช ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžืžืฉื™ืช ื•ื”ื™ื ื’ื ืœื ื”ืฆื˜ื™ื™ืจื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื“ืจืกื˜ื™ืช ืžื”ื”ืชื—ืœื”. ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื”ื™ื• ืœื•ืงื—ื™ื ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื™ื˜ืื˜ืื• ืืช ื”ืจื—ื•ื‘ื•ืช, ืื—"ื› ื”ื™ื• ืœื•ืงื—ื™ื ืื ืฉื™ื ืœื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืจื•ืก ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื•. ื”ื™ื• ืœื•ืงื—ื™ื 100 ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื™ื”ืจืกื• ื•ื™ืคื ื•, ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ืจืง ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื™ื•ื - ื•ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”. ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืงื‘ืœ ืžื›ื•ืช ืžืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื• ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื”. ื”ืืคืฉืจื•ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ืงื™ื™ืžืช, ืคื—ื“ื ื• ืžื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืคื—ื“ื ื• ืžื–ื” ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืฉื”ื–'ื ื“ืจืžืจื™ื”, ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจื” ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช ืจื“ืคื” ืื—ืจื™ ืื™ื–ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื‘ืœื‘ื•ืฉ ืื–ืจื—ื™, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขืฉื”, ื•ื›ืฉืชืคืกื• ืื•ืชื• ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื“ื—ื•ืฃ ืื•ืชื• ื•ืœื‘ืขื•ื˜ ื‘ื•. ื›ืœ ืคืขื ืฉื”ื•ื ื ื™ืกื” ืœืขืฆื•ืจ ื ืชื ื• ืœื• ืขื•ื“ ื“ื—ื™ืคื” ื•ืขื•ื“ ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื” ื•ืจืื™ื ื• ืฉื”ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืชืขืœืœ ื’ื ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื•ื‘ื˜ื— ื’ื ื‘ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืจืฆื•ื™ื™ื ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื”ื, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืจืื™ื ื• ืืช ื”ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื“ืจืกื˜ื™ืช ื›ืœ ื›ืš. ืื—"ื› ื‘ื”ื“ืจื’ื” ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืืช ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืžืชื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง?
ืช: ื‘ืฉื ืช 40'. ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ืฉื“ื” - ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืชืคื•ื—ื™ ืื“ืžื” ืžื”ืื“ืžื”, ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื, ื“ื™ืฉ ื›ืฉื”ื™ื”, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ืฉื ื•ื›ื‘ืจ ืงืจื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ืฉืืจื™ื ืœื™ืœื” ื•ืฉื ื™ ืœื™ืœื•ืช ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื‘ื™ืช. ื›ืœ ื–ื” ื‘ื”ื“ืจื’ื”, ืจืื™ื ื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื–ื”ื•. ืขื‘ื“ื ื• ืฉื ืืฆืœ ืื™ื›ืจื™ื, ื ืชื ื• ืœื ื• ืœืื›ื•ืœ ื•ืœืœื•ืŸ ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื”ื›ื™ ืคืจื™ืžื™ื˜ื™ื‘ื™ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืืคืฉืจื™.
ืกื•ืฃ ืฆื“ ื' ื‘ืงืœื˜ืช ืจืืฉื•ื ื”
ืช: ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืงืจื•ื‘ื” ืœื’ื‘ื•ืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืฉืจ ืœื›ืœ ื’ื‘ื•ืœ ืื—ืจ ื•ืขื ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืžื™ื“ ื”ืฉืชื‘ืฉื• ื‘ืขื™ืจ ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ื“ื•ืจื™ื ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉื•ื ืกื“ืจ. ื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ ืขื‘ืจ ื“ืจืš ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืœื›ืืŸ ื•ืœื›ืืŸ, ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ืฉืœื ื• ืขื‘ื“ื” 24 ืฉืขื•ืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืกืคืง ื•ืœืžื›ื•ืจ ืœื—ื. ืžื›ืจื ื• ืื– ืขื•ื“ ื‘ื›ืกืฃ, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ื”ืฆื•ืจื” ื”ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ืช ื”ื‘ื•ื˜ื” ืฉืœ ื—ื™ื™ืœ ืžืกื•ื™ื ืฉื ื›ื ืก ืœืงื‘ืœ ืœื—ืžื ื™ื•ืช ื•ืืžื ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจื” ืœื™ ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ื’ื‘: ืชืŸ ืœื• ืืช ื”ื›ืœ ื•ื‘ืœื‘ื“ ืฉื™ืกืชืœืง ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื ื“ื™ืŸ ื•ื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื•ืื—ืจื™ ื™ืžื™ื ืกืคื•ืจื™ื ื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื”ื’ื™ืข. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ืื™ื–ื• ื”ืชืงืœื•ืช ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืขื™ืจ, ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืงืฆืช ื™ืจื™ื•ืช, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืœืคื ื•ืช ืขืจื‘, ื•ืœืžื—ืจืช ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ ื”ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื•. ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ื™ื•ื - ืืกืคื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ื‘ื›ื™ื›ืจ ื”ืขื™ืจ, ืœืžืขืœื” ืขืœ ื”ืžื“ืจื’ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืขื™ืจื™ื™ื” ืื™ื–ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ - ืื– ืœื ื”ื‘ื—ื ืชื™ ืื ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืก"ืก ืื• ืกืชื ืžื”ืฆื‘ื - ืืช ื”ื ืื•ื ื”ืžืคื•ืจืกื ื”ื–ื” ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจ ืืœื™ื ื• ืฉื ื’ืžืจื• ื”ื–ืžื ื™ื ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ืฉืœื ื•, ืืชื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื–ืจื—ื™ื ืžื“ืจื’ื” ื’' - ื‘ืขืฆื ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ...
ืฉ: ืื– ื”ื ืืžืจื• (ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื™ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช)?
ืช: (ื—ื•ื–ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื™ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ื•ืžื•ืกื™ืฃ. ื”ื™ื• ืื™ ืืœื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉืืžืจื•: ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ (ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื™ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ื“ืจื’ื” ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช), ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ืœื“ืจื’ื” (ื›ืชื”) ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืื• ืฉื ื™ื”, ื•ืื™ืš ื”ื•ื ืฉื•ืœื— ืื•ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื“ืจื’ื” ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ืช - ืœื ืชืคืกื• ืžื” ื”ื•ื ืžื“ื‘ืจ, ืžื” ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ. ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืœื—ื™ืžื” ื”ื™ื•ืžื™ื•ืžื™ืช ืขืœ ืงื™ื•ื ื”ืคืจื ืกื”, ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืขื™ืงืจื™ ืืฆืœ ื›ืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื”, ื—ื™ืคื” ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ. ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืฉืขืœื™ื• ื—ืฉื‘ื•: ืื™ืš ืขื•ื‘ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ื™ื•ื, ืžื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ืœืื›ื•ืœ ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื™ื•ื. ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉืžืžืฉ ื‘ืขืจื‘ ืฉื‘ืช ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื”ื—ืœื•ืช, ื”ืœื—ื ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื ืฉืืจ, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืื™-ืืœื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืœื—ืœืง ืืช ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ื›ื ืจืื” ื™ื“ืขื• ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื”ื ืขื ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืฉื‘ืช, ื›ืš ืฉืืช ื”ืฆื“ ื”ื›ืœืœื™ ืื• ื”ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืœืงื— ื‘ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ. ื”ื ื’ื™ืฉื•ืช ื ื’ื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืื“, ืžืื“ ืื™ื˜ื™ื•ืช. ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœื—ื’ื™ื ื›ืฉื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืคืจืฆื” ื•ื‘ื—ื’ ืœื ื”ืจืฉื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืœื›ืช ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ื ืกืช, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื—ื™ืœืœื• ืืช ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ื ืกืช ื•ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื”ืชืคืœืœื• ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื•, ื”ืชืืกืคื• ืื—ื“ ื‘ื—ืฆืจ ืฉืœ ื”ืฉื ื™ ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ืชืคืœืœื•, ื›ื™ ืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ื‘ืœื™ ื–ื”. ืื ื”ืงื™ืžื• ืขื•ื“ ืกื•ื›ื•ืช - ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ. ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืคื—ื•ืช ืื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื ืžืฉื›ื•, ืื•ืœื™ ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืื ื˜ื™ืฉืžื™ื•ืช ื’ืœื•ื™ื” ืžืืฉืจ ื”ื™ื” ืขื“ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื™ืŸ ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื” ืฉื ื™ืชืŸ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœืฆืคื•ืช ืžื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื‘ื›ืœ ืจื’ืข, ื•ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืขืฉื• ืืช ื–ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื‘ื’ืœื•ื™. ื“ื•ื•ืงื ื”ืคื•ืœืงืกื“ื•ื™ื˜ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘, ืฉื”ื™ื• ืžื›ืจื™ื ืื• ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ื•ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืืชื ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืงืฉืจื™ื ืžืกื—ืจื™ื™ื ืื• ืื—ืจื™ื - ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื›ื ืจืื” ืœื ื™ื“ืขื• ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื‘ื ื™ื“ื•ืŸ, ื•ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคื•ืขืœืช. ืจืง ืœืื˜, ืœืื˜ ื”ืชื—ืœื ื• ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฆื•ืงื•ืช ืฉื™ืฉื ืŸ.
ืฉ: ืชืงื ื•ืช ืื ื˜ื™-ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื•ืช ื›ื‘ืจ ืคื•ืจืกืžื•?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืคื•ืจืกืžื•, ืื‘ืœ ืืคืฉืจ ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ืชืงื ื•ืช ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืื ืžืฆื™ื™ืชื™ื ืื• ืœื - ื–ื” ืœื ืžืฉื ื” ืืช ืื•ืจื— ื”ื—ื™ื™ื, ืœื ื ื•ื’ืข ืœืš ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืื™ืฉื™ ื™ืฉืจ. ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืฉืœืžืฉืœ ืืกื•ืจ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ืขืœ ื”ืžื“ืจื›ื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ื›"ื– ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืขืœ ื”ืžื“ืจื›ื•ืช ืื• ืฉืœื ื™ืฆืื ื• ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืื• ืฉื™ืฆืื ื• ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืฉืœื ื™ืจืื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉื”ื™ื• ืชืงื ื•ืช ื ื’ื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ืื‘ืœ ืขื™ืงืจ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื ื•ื”ืœื• ืข"ื™ ื”ืงื•ืžื™ื˜ื˜, ื”ื•ืขื“ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื”ื˜ื™ืœื• ืขืœื™ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื“ืจืฉื• ืžื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื: ืžื›ืกื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”...
ืฉ: ืžื™ืŸ ื™ื•ื“ื ืจืื˜ ื›ื–ื”?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืืฆืœื ื• ื™ื•ื“ื ืจืื˜, ื™ื•ื“ื ืจืื˜ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื ืจืื” ื‘ืขืจื™ื ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช, ื™ื“ื•ืข ืฉื›ืš ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืฉื. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืืฆืœื ื• ื”ืงื•ืžื™ื˜ื˜. ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ื•ื›ืžื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื, ื•ื”ื-ื”ื ืฉืงื‘ืขื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื•ืžื” ืฉืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื’ื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ื–ื” ืžื›ืกื” ืฉืœ ื›ืกืฃ ื•ื–ื”ื‘ ืฉื“ืจืฉื•, ื•ืขืœ ืžื ืช ืœืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื–ื” ืืกืจื• ื›ืžื” ื•ื›ืžื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืจืฉื™ืžื”, ืื– ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ื‘ืžืงื•ืžื•. ื™ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื ืขื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืกื•ื”ืจ ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืคืชื•ื—, ืืคืฉืจ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื™ื›ื ืก, ื•ื›ื™ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ื™ ืกืžื•ืš ื”ื™ื” ืฉืœื ื•, ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืขื™ื™ื” ืœืงืคื•ืฅ ืคื” ื•ืฉื. ืœื ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืจืขื‘ ื’ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ืฆื™ืง, ื’ื ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ื” ืฉืœื ื• ื”ื•ืฉื‘ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ, ืœื ื”ืจืฉื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“. ืขื“ ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืš ืฉืืžื™ ืฉืœื—ื” ืื•ืชื ื• ืฉื ืœืš ืœืื›ื•ืœ ืืฆืœ ืื—ื™ื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื“ืชื™ ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื•, ื›ืฉื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืขื™ื™ืจื” ืื ื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœืฉื ืœื‘ืงืจ ืืช ื”ื ื›ื“ื™ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื•ื ืฉืชื” ืฉื ืจืง ื›ื•ืก ืชื” ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื–ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข ืฉืฉื ืœื ื›ืฉืจ. ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืืžื ื• ืฉืœื—ื” ืื•ืชื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืื›ื•ืœ ืฉื ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉืฉื—ื™ื˜ื” ื›ืฉืจื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื•ืœื ื›ืฉืจ ืขื•ื“ ืืคืฉืจ ื”ื™ื” ืคื” ื•ืฉื ืœื”ืฉื™ื’. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ ืฉื ืช 40'. ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฃ ืฉืœ ืฉื ืช 41' ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช, ืœืฉืœื’, ืœื ืงื•ืช ืืช ืคืกื™ ื”ืจื›ื‘ืช ื•ื–ื” ื’ื ื”ืžืฉืš ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื˜ื‘ืขื™ ื›ืžื• ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืžืœื—ืžื”: ืžื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืฉื™ืขื‘ื“ื•. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ืฆื—ืงื ื• ืขืœ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื•, ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืื™ื›ืคืช. ืขื“ ืฉืคืจืฆื” ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืขื ืจื•ืกื™ื” ื•ืื– ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืฆื”ืœื ื•, ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉืžื’ื™ืข ื”ืกื•ืฃ ืฉืœ ื”ืื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉืœื ื•.
ืฉ: ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืื—ืจื™ ื™ื•ื ื™ 41'?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื›ื™ ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื–ื”ื•. ื‘ืืžืช ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื™ืžื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืฉื•ื ืžื•ืฉื’ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ืœืš ืฉื, ื•ืืžืจื ื• ืœืขืฆืžื ื•, ื•ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื“ืขื” ื›ืœืœื™ืช: ื”ื ื”, ื”ื ืฉื ื‘ืืžืช ื›ื‘ืจ "ืขืœ ื”ืคื ื™ื" ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืžื•ื“ื™ืขื™ื ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. ืจืง ื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืฉื‘ื•ืข ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื”ื•ื“ื™ืข ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ืชืจื—ืฉื• ื•ื”ื™ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข ืœื›ื•ืœื ื”ื”ืชืงื“ืžื•ืช ื”ืขืฆื•ืžื” ื•ื”ืžื”ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืœืชื•ืš ืจื•ืกื™ื” ื•ื›ื™ื‘ื•ืฉ ืจื•ืกื™ื” ื”ืื™ืจื•ืคืื™ืช ื›ืžืขื˜ ื›ื•ืœื”, ืฉื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืขื“ ืฉืขืจื™ ืžื•ืกืงื‘ื”. ืจื•ื—ื ื• ืžืื“, ืžืื“ ื ืคืœื”, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืฉื”ืžื•ืฉื™ืข ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ืžื•ืฉื™ืข ื•ืจืื™ื ื• ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ืžื•ืฆื ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ืื– ื‘ืื” ื”ืคืงื•ื“ื” ืœืืกื•ืฃ ื›ืš ื•ื›ืš ืื ืฉื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืฉื™ืฆืื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืœืžืฉืš ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื. ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื”ืงื•ืžื™ื˜ื˜ ื”ื–ื” ื”ื•ื-ื”ื•ื ืฉื‘ื—ืจ ืืช ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื ืœืคื™ ืงืจื™ื˜ืจื™ื•ื ื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื, ืœืžืฉืœ: ื‘ืŸ ื™ื—ื™ื“ ืœื ืœืงื—ื• ืื• ืฉื›ืŸ ืœืงื—ื• ืื• ืื™ืฉ ืฆืขื™ืจ... ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ ืžื™ืœืื• ืืช ื”ืžื›ืกื” ื”ื–ืืช ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืฉืœื•ื— ืืช ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืฉืืœื• ืฉื ืฉืœื—ื• ื›ืžื•ื ื™ ืงื‘ืœื• ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื“ื‘ืจ ืืกื•ืŸ, ื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื”, ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื”, ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืกืคื™ืง ืžื“ื•ื›ืื™ื ืฉืฉืžื—ื ื• ืื•ืœื™ ืขืœ ื–ื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ืฆืื™ื ืžื›ืืŸ, ื™ื•ืฆืื™ื ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืœืžืฉืš ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื - ืžื” ื”ื‘ืขื™ื™ื”? ืœื ื ื•ืจื, ื‘ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ื ืจืื” ืžื” ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช. ื•ืื– ื‘ื˜' ื‘ืื‘ 41' ืืกืคื• ืืช ืืœื• ืฉื ืฉืœื—ื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื–ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ืฉืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืจืื•ืช - ื™ืฉ ืชืžื•ื ื” ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืฉืœื ื•, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื ืืกืคื™ื ืฉื, ืžื—ื›ื™ื ืจื’ืข ืœืคื ื™ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœืจื›ื‘ืช ื›ื“ื™ ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืžืงื•ื ื›ืœืฉื”ื•. ืœืืŸ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื•. ื”ืืžื”ื•ืช ื”ืชืืกืคื• ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื—ืฆืจ ื”ื–ืืช, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ืืžื™ ืฉืขืžื“ื” ืฉื ื•ื”ืกืชื›ืœื” ืขืœ ืฉื ื™ ื”ื‘ื ื™ื ืฉืœื” ืฉื ืฉืœื—ื™ื ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื–ื”. ื”ื™ื ื›ื ืจืื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืชื ื• ื”ืคื ื™ืžื” ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืจืื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื” ื‘ื•ื›ื”, ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื ืจืื™ืชื™ ืžืžืฉ ืืฃ ืคืขื. ื™ืฆืื ื• ืœื“ืจืš. ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืžืงื•ื ื›ืžื• ืฉืชื™ืืจื ื• ืœืขืฆืžื ื•: ืžื—ื ื” ืฉืœ ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื, ื‘ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืžื™ื˜ื•ืช ื“ื•-ืงื•ืžืชื™ื•ืช. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ื—ื“ืจ 20-24 ืื™ืฉ, ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืžืื•ืชื” ืขื™ื™ืจื”, ืžื›ืจื™ื. ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืž-ืœื•ื“ื–' LODZ.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืฉื ื”ืžื—ื ื”?
ืช: ืฉื ื”ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื™ื” ื“ื•ื™ื˜ืฉ-ื”ื™ื™ืจ(?), ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ืข"ื™ ื–ื‘ื•ื ืฉื™ืŸ ืื• ื‘ื ืฉื™ืŸ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช, ืฉื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ืžืžืฉ ืขืœ ื”ื’ื‘ื•ืœ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™-ื’ืจืžื ื™ R.A.B. ืœืื’ืจ, ืฉื–ื” ืจื™ื™ืก ืื•ื˜ื•ื‘ืืŸ ืœืื’ืจ. ื”ื ืขื‘ื“ื• ืขืœ ื–ื”, ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืž-ื‘ืจืœื™ืŸ BRELIN ืœ-ืคื•ื–ื ืŸ POZNAN ืื•ื˜ื•-ื‘ืืŸ. ืžื“ื™ 10, 15 ืื• 8 ืง"ืž ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ื ื” ื›ื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฉื - ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืขืจื™ืš ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื 200 ื•ืื•ืœื™ ื™ื•ืชืจ, ื•ืืคื™ืœื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื ื•ืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื ืขื ืžืขื“ืจื™ื ืœื—ืคื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืื“ืžื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืคื ื•ืช ืžืกืœื•ืœ ืœื‘ื ื™ื™ืช ื”ืื•ื˜ื•-ื‘ืืŸ ื”ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื›ื ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื ื‘ื•ื ื™ื ืื•ื˜ื•-ื‘ืืŸ ืž-ื‘ืจืœื™ืŸBERLIN ืขื“ POZNAN, ืื—"ื› ืขื“ ื•ืจืฉื” ื•ืžืฉื ืขื“ ืžื•ืกืงื‘ื” - ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื›ื ื•ืŸ ืฉืœื”ื, ื•ื›ืš ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื‘ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ื”ืืœื• ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช. ื”ืจื•ื‘ ืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ื”ืขืžืกืช ืื“ืžื” ืขืœ ืงืจื•ื ื™ื•ืช ืฉื”ืœื›ื• ืขืœ ืคืกื™ื ื›ืืœื• ื•ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื™ื“ื™ื™ื, ื’ื ื”ื“ื—ื™ืคื” ืฉื“ื—ืคื• ืืช ื”ืงืจื•ื ื™ื•ืช, ืื ื–ื” ืžืœืื•ืช, ืื ื–ื” ื—ืฆื™ ืžืœืื•ืช ื•ืื ืจื™ืงื•ืช - ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื, ื”ื›ืœ ืจืง ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื™ื“ื™ื™ื. ื’ื ืืช ื”ืžืกื™ืœืช ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืชืงื™ืŸ ืœื‘ื“, ื•ืœืฆื•ืจืš ื”ืžืกื™ืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืฉืžื™ื ืœืจื•ื—ื‘ ืืช ื”ืื“ื ื™ื ื•ื”ืื“ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื• ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืืœื™ื ื• ืจืง ื‘ืื•ืจืš ืขื’ื•ืœื™ื, ื—ืชื™ื›ื•ืช ืขืฅ. ืืช ื—ืชื™ื›ื•ืช ื”ืขืฅ ื”ืืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื—ืชื•ืš ื‘ื—ืฆื™ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืฉื™ื ืื•ืชื ื›ื™ืกื•ื“ ืœืคืกื™ ื”ืจื›ื‘ืช, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืงืจื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื”. ืื ื™ ื‘ื”ืฆื™ื’ื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื• ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื ื’ืจ, ืืžืจื•: ื”ื ื”, ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืืชื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช. ื•ื‘ืืžืช ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื ื‘ื–ื”, ื•ืื– ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ืจืืฉื™ ืจืื” ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื•ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื™ ืœืžืงืฆื•ืข ื•ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ื ื’ืจ, ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ืฉืœื— ืื•ืชื™ ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ ืฉืœื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืงื™ื ืฉื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื• ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื ื•ืกืฃ ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื—ืกืŸ ื•ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™ ื•ืฉื ืื ื™ ืืขืฉื” ืœื• ืจื”ื™ื˜ื™ื. ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช ืื—ืจื™ ื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ ื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจืชื™ ืžืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื”ืคืจืš ื”ื–ืืช ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื–ืจื™ื—ืช ื”ืฉืžืฉ ืขื“ ื”ืขืจื‘ ื›ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื. ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉื ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืœืื›ื•ืœ ื•ืจืง ื‘ืžืงืจื™ื ื‘ื•ื“ื“ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื• ืฉืงื‘ืœื• ืฉื ืžื›ื•ืช ื›ื™ ืœื ืขื‘ื“ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืžื›ื•ืช ืคื•ืžื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืขื•ื ืฉ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข, ืืœื ื‘ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ืื ืื™ื–ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื’ื™ื— ื–ื” ืœื ืžืฆื ื—ืŸ ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื• ื”ืฆื•ืจื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื‘ื“ ืคืขื-ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืœื• ืงืฆืช ืžื›ื•ืช. ืœืื›ื•ืœ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืงื‘ืœื ื•, ื”ืจืขื‘ ืœื ื”ืฆื™ืง ืœื ื•. ื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืคืจืง ื–ืžืŸ, ื—ื•ื“ืฉ-ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื™ื, ืื—ื“ื™ื ืžืืชื ื• ื”ื•ืจืฉื• ืœืฆืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืœื‘ื™ืงื•ืจ ื‘ื™ืช ื•ื—ื–ืจื•. ืžื” ืฉื ืขืฉื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืœื ื”ื•ืกื™ืฃ ืœืžืฆื‘ ื”ืจื•ื— ืฉืœื ื•, ื•ื›ืื™ืœื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื” ื‘ืชื ืื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ืžืืฉืจ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช. ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืกื›ื ืช ื—ื™ื™ื - ืœื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื•ื‘ื˜ื— ืœื ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”. ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื•ื“ ื”ื“ืขื” ื”ืžืงื•ื‘ืœืช, ืฉืžื™ ืฉื™ื•ื“ืข ื•ืžื™ ืฉืจื•ืฆื” ื•ืžื™ ืฉืขื•ื‘ื“ - ืžืงื•ืžื• ืžื•ื‘ื˜ื—, ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื• ืžื•ื‘ื˜ื—ื™ื - ื‘ืœื™ ืžื•ืชืจื•ืช, ืฉืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ื”ื›ืจื ื•, ื•ื’ื ื”ืคืขื, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื—ื™ื•ืช ืขื ื–ื”. ื›ืžื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืงื‘ืœ ืžื›ืชื‘ - ื•ื’ื ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื‘ืœื ื• ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืขื•ื“ ืžื›ืชื‘ื™ื ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช - ืฉื›ืชื‘: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ื‘ืขืงื‘ื•ืช ืื‘ื ืฉืœื ื•, ื•ืื‘ื ืฉืœื”ื ื ืคื˜ืจ ืขื•ื“ ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”.
ืฉ: ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื›ืชื‘?
ืช: ื”ืžื›ืชื‘ ื”ื™ื” ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช ืœืžื—ื ื”. ื”ืื— ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื”ื–ื” ืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘ ืžืื—ื™ื• ื”ืฆืขื™ืจ ืžืžื ื• ืฉื”ื™ื” ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™, ืืžื ื ืงืฆืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ ืžืžื ื™, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฆื‘ื ื‘ืคืจื•ืฅ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื•ื”ื•ื-ื”ื•ื ื–ื” ืฉื‘ืขืฆื ืกื™ืคืจ ืœื™ ืขืœ ื”ื™ื—ืก ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืœืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื™ื—ืก ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืœืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื ื•ืœื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืฉื–ื” ื“ื•ื•ืงื ืœืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื, ืืฃ ืขืœ ืคื™ ืฉื”ืชื‘ืจืจ ืœื™ ืฉื‘ืžืกืข ื”ื–ื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืกื™ืคืจ ืœื™ ืขืœื™ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืฉืชืชืฃ ื‘ื• ื”ื™ื• ืจืง ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื•ื”ื•ื-ื”ื•ื ืฉื›ืชื‘ ืœืื—ื™ื• ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ื‘ืขืงื‘ื•ืช ืื‘ื ืฉืœื ื•. ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ื‘ื ื• ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘ื™ื, ื”ืœื ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืฉื›ืชื‘, ืžื™ ืฉืงื‘ืœ ืžื›ืชื‘ ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืชื—ืœืง ื‘ื™ื“ื™ืขื•ืช ืขื ื”ืื—ืจื™ื. ื•ื”ื”ื•ื ืฉืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ืžื›ืชื‘, ืฉื”ื™ื” ืืชื ื• ื‘ืžื—ื ื”, ื”ืชื—ืœืง ืืชื™ ื•ืกื™ืคืจ ืœื™ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื›ืืŸ ื›ื•ืชื‘, ื•ืœื ื”ื‘ื ื• ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ - ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืคืจืฉ ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฃ ืฉืœ ืฉื ืช 42'. ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืœื ื”ื•ืจืฉื™ื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื‘ื™ืงื•ืจื™ื ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื•, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ืกื’ื•ืจื™ื - ืœื ืขื ืžืฉื˜ืจื” ืื• ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื”; ืข"ื™ ื”ืฉืขืจ ื”ื™ื” ืื™ื–ื” ืฉื•ืžืจ ืฉืœื ื ืชืŸ ืœื ื• ืœืฆืืช ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื’ื ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ืฉืฆืจื™ืš ืœืฆืืช, ืœืืŸ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืืคืฉืจ ืœืฆืืช, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื—ื ื”. ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืคื ื•ื™ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขื™ื™ืคื™ื ืžื“ื™ ื•ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžืงืœืคื™ื ืืช ืชืคื•ื—ื™ ื”ืื“ืžื” - ื–ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื—ืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ื‘ื–ื•ื™ื•ืช ืฉืื– ืขื•ื“ ืœื ืจืฆื™ื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืขื•ื“ ืืช ืขืจื›ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืžื“ื™ ืคืขื. ืื ื™ ืขืฆืžื™, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื˜ื•ื‘. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ื•ืœืš ืฉื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื•ื‘ื“ ืื• ืœื ืขื•ื‘ื“, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืฉืจืช ืืช ืืฉืช ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ืจืืฉื™, ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฆืจื™ื›ื” ื•ื›ื›ื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืขืœ ื’ื‘ื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขื•ื‘ื“ ืฉื. ื›ืืžื•ืจ, ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฃ ื”ืคืกืงื ื• ืœืงื‘ืœ ืžื›ืชื‘ื™ื. ืืžืจื• - ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžืื™ืคื” ื”ืชืงื‘ืœื” ื”ืฉืžื•ืขื” - ืฉืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžื–ืจื—, ืืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื”. ืœืืŸ - ืœื ื™ื“ื•ืข. ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขื“ ืืžืฆืข ื”ืงื™ืฅ ืฉืœ 42'. ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืงื™ืฅ 42' ื ืฉืœื—ื ื• ืžื”ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” ืœืžื—ื ื” ื“ื•ืžื”, ื’ื ื›ืŸ R.A.B. ืœืื’ืจ ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ืื—ืจ. ืื—ื“ ืžื”ื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืฉื ืงืจื ืฉืคื™ื’ืœื‘ืจื’ ื•ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืœื™ื›ื” ืคื” ื•ืฉื, ื‘ืื—ื“ ื”ืžื—ื ื•ืช ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื’ื ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืืฆืœ ืื™ื–ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืขื•ืฉื” ืœืขื’ืœื•ืช ืืช ื”ื’ืœื’ืœื™ื - ื–ื• ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืžืขืฅ ื•ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ื“ื•ืข ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืžืชืขืกืง ื‘ืขืฅ ื•ืžื•ืžื—ื” ืœืขืฅ, ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืฉื. ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืืฆืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืžื—ื ื”, ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœื”ืžื•ืŸ ื›ื•ืœื• ื”ื™ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ืžืœื•ื•ื” ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ื”ื˜ื‘ื•ืช - ืขื‘ื“ืช ืืฆืœ ืื™ื–ื” ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื›ื–ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ื˜ื™ื‘ื•, ืื‘ืœ ืขื‘ื“ืช ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื‘ืขืœ ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ื ืจืื” ื’ื ื—ื•ื‘ื” ืœื“ืื•ื’ ืœืš ื‘ืžืฉื”ื•, ื•ื›ืš ื‘ืขืฆื ื”ื™ื”. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื™ื•ืฆื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื‘ืœื™ ืฉื•ื ืœื™ื•ื•ื™, ืœื‘ื“ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืฉื ื•ืœื‘ื“ ื—ื•ื–ืจ ืœืžื—ื ื”, ื•ืœืืŸ ืื ื™ ืืœืš? ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืžืงื•ื ืื—ืจ, ืื– ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืฉื. ื›ืš ืื—ืจื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ื‘ื•ื“ื“ื™ื, ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื ืืกืคื ื• ื•ื ืฉืœื—ื ื• ืœ-EBERSWALDE - ืžืงื•ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื‘ืจืœื™ืŸ BERLIN ื”ื™ื” ืฉื (ืžื•ื ื— ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช) - ื–ื” ื‘ื™ืช ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืฉืฉื ื”ื™ื• ืžื™ื™ืฆืจื™ื ืืช ืชืจืžื™ืœื™ ื”ืคื’ื–ื™ื, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื‘ืœื™ ืžื™ืœื•ื™, ืจืง ืืช ื”ืชืจืžื™ืœื™ื. ื‘ื—ืจื• ืืช ื”ื—ื–ืงื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ืคื’ื–ื™ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืžื™ืฆื™ืงื”. ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ื™ืฆื™ืงื” ื”ื ื’ื ืขื‘ื“ื•, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘, ื’ื ืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ื ืจื•ืกื™ื™ื ืขื‘ื“ื• ืฉื. ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœืœื ืฉื•ื ืžืฉื˜ืจื” ืืœื ืื™ื–ื” ืฉื•ืžืจ ืคื” ื•ืฉื, ื‘ืœื™ ืžื“ื™ื, ืœื™ื•ื•ื” ืื•ืชื ื• - ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ืžืจ ืื—ื“ ืื• ืฉื ื™ื™ื - ืžืื” ืื• ืžืื” ื•ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื ืื™ืฉ ืœืชื•ืš ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื—ืจื•ืฉืช. ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื‘ื“ื ื• ืฉื ื‘ืฉืชื™ ืžืฉืžืจื•ืช. ื”ื™ื• ื’ื ื”ืคืกืงื•ืช ื‘ื™ืŸ ืžืฉืžืจืช ืœืžืฉืžืจืช. ื”ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ืื– ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ืžืกื•ื’ืœื•ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ 24 ืฉืขื•ืช, ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื•ืช ืœื ื•ื—, ืื– ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืขื‘ื“ื ื• ื›-10 ืฉืขื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืฉืžืจืช. ืื ื™ ื›ืฉืœืขืฆืžื™ ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉื - ืœื ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื, ืœื ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืงืฉื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขื‘ื•ื“. ื”ืชืจืžื™ืœ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืคื’ื– ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืกื’ื•ืจ ืžืœืžื˜ื”. ื”ื•ื ื ืกื’ืจ ืข"ื™ ืžื›ืกื” ืฉืžืชื‘ืจื’ ืœืชื•ื›ื• ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื“ืื•ื’ ืœืืจื‘ืข ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื›ืืœื• ืฉื™ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืืช ื”ื”ื‘ืจื’ื” ื”ืžืชืื™ืžื” ืœื”ื‘ืจื’ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื‘ืชืจืžื™ืœ. ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื›ืฉืœืขืฆืžื” ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ืœื ืงืฉื”, ืื‘ืœ ื“ื•ืจืฉืช ืงืฆืช ื™ื“ื™ืขื” ื‘ืžืชื™ืžื˜ื™ืงื”, ื‘ืžื›ืฉื™ืจื™ื, ืœื“ืขืช ืžื” ื–ื” "ืžืื™ืช" ื•ืื™ืš ืžื—ืฉื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื” ื•ืื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช. ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื™ืŸ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื›ื–ืืช ืฉื‘ื” ื”ืขืกื™ืงื• ืื•ืชื™. ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ื ื›ื™ืคื•ืจ ื—ื™ืœืงื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ื•ื—ืœืง ื ืฉืืจ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื•ื—ืœืง ื ืฉืœื— ืœืืŸ-ืฉื”ื•ื, ื•ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื ื’ื ืื—ื™. ืืช ื›ืœ ืืœื” ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืฉืžืขื ื• ืฉื•ื‘.
ืฉ: ื’ื ืœื ืžืื—ื™ืš?
ืช: ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื, ืžืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืžื›ืœ ืืœื•. ื ืฉืืจื ื• ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” 204 ืื™ืฉ, ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข. ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื”, ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืœื™ ืื™ืฉื™ืช ืงืจื” ืคืขื ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืืฉื›ื—. ื‘ืื—ืช ื”ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื‘ื—ื•ืจื” ืฉืขื‘ื“ื” ืฉื - ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืœื ืงืฉื”, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืจืง ืžื›ืกื” ื›ื–ื” ืฉืฉืงืœ 3-4 ืงื™ืœื•, ื›ืš ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืกื—ื•ื‘ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชืจืžื™ืœื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื›ื‘ื“ื™ื - ื‘ืื” ืืœื™ ื•ืื•ืžืจืช ืœื™: ื”ื ื”, ืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™ื•ืช ืฉืื—ืจื™ ืฉืขื‘ืจื• ืืช ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื”ืคืกื™ืงื•. ื–ื” ืขื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื•ื”ื™ื ืจื•ืื” ืฉื–ื” ื ืžืฉืš. ื”ื™ื ื‘ืื” ืืœื™ ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ืื™ืœื• ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืœื ื”ืชืžืฆืืชื™ ื‘ื“ื‘ืจ, ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื ืขืžื“ืชื™ ืœื”ืกืชื›ืœ ื•ื”ื—ื–ืงืชื™ ืืช ื”ืืฆื‘ืข ืขืœ ืžืคืกืง ื”ื—ืฉืžืœ ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ื™ืงืจื” ืื ื–ื” ืขื•ื“ ืคืขื ื™ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš. ื–ื” ืขื‘ืจ ืขื•ื“ ืคืขื ืืช ื”ืชื”ืœื™ืš ื•ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืข ื—ืจื™ืงื” ื›ื–ืืช - ื”ืคืกืงืชื™ ื•ืื ื™ ืžืกืชื›ืœ ื•ืจื•ืื”, ืฉื‘ืชื‘ื ื™ืช ื”ื–ืืช ืฉืฉื ื ืžืฆืื™ื ื›ืœ ื”ื’ืœื’ืœื™ื ืฉืžื ื™ืขื™ื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื”ืชืคื•ืฆืฅ ื›ืื™ืœื• ืฉื‘ืคื ื™ื ืฉืžื• ื—ื•ืžืจ ื ืคืฅ ื•ื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ื”ืชืคื•ืฆืฅ- ืœื ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืœืจืกื™ืกื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ืชืคื•ืฆืฅ ืœื’ืžืจื™. ืฉื ื”ืžืฉื˜ืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื” ืงืฉื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืฉื ื‘ื‘ื•ืงืจ ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืื™ื ื”ืžืžื•ื ื™ื ื•ื”ื™ื• ืขื•ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื›ืœ ืื—ื“: ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืช, ื›ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืช, ืื™ืš ืขืฉื™ืช? ื”ืžื ื”ืœ ื”ืจืืฉื™, ืฉื›ื ืจืื” ื‘ื ืชืžื™ื“ ืขื ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื•ืืช ื”ืžืฉืื‘ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืื•ืคื ื™ื™ื ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืืชื•. ืื ืœื ืžืฆื ื—ืŸ ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื• - ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืœืžื™ ืฉื”ืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืขื ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื•ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืื—ื“ ืฉืงืจืื• ืœื• "ื”ื‘ื•ืงืกืจ"- ื’ื‘ื•ื” ื›ื–ื”. ื”ื•ื-ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื“ื™ ืคืขื, ืื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืขืฉื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื ืžืฆื ื—ืŸ ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื•, ื”ื™ื” ืœื•ืงื— ืื•ืชื• ืœื—ื“ืจ ื”ืจื—ืฆื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื•ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืžืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืžื›ื•ืช ื ืืžื ื•ืช - ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื ื‘ืื’ืจื•ืคื™ื ืื• ืข"ื™ ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื” ื™ื“ื•ืข ืฉืžืฉื ื™ืฆืื• ื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื ืžืื“, ืžืื“ ืžื•ื›ื™ื. ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืคื ื™ ื•ืจืื” ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืฉื ื ืขืฉื”, ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™: ืœืš ืื ื™ ืœื ืขื•ืฉื” ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืื•ืชืš ื‘ื™ืŸ ื›ื” ื•ื›ื” ื™ืชืœื•. ื›ืš ืื ื™ ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ืคืกืง ื“ื™ืŸ "ืื•ืชืš ื™ืชืœื•". ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืขื“ ืฉื™ืชืœื• ืื•ืชื™ ื”ืžืฉื›ืชื™ ืœืœื›ืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ืฉื–ื”ื•, ื ื™ื“ื•ืŸ ืœืžื•ื•ืช ืžื—ื›ื” ืœื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื™ื ืชื™ื™ื ื”ืกืชื‘ืจ ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ืจืฆื• ืœื“ืขืช ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ืฉืงืจื” ื‘ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื•ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืžื•ืžื—ื™ื ื•ื”ืขื•ื–ืจ ืฉืœื”ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืกื’ืจ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ืฉืื—"ื› ื’ืจ ื‘ื’ื‘ืขืชื™ื™ื ืœื ื”ืจื—ืง ืžืžื ื™, ื•ื”ื•ื-ื”ื•ื ืฉืกื™ืคืจ ืœื™ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ืขืœ ื–ื” ืฉื”ื ื‘ื“ืงื• ืฉื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ื•ืžืฆืื• ืคื’ื ืžืกื•ื™ื ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื•ืขืœ ื–ื” ื“ื™ื•ื•ื—ื• ื•ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช ืœื ืชืœื• ืื•ืชื™ ื•ืœืžื–ืœื™ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื’ื ืœื ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ืžื ืช ืžื›ื•ืช-ืจืฆื— ืžื”ืื™ืฉ ื”ื–ื”. ื›ืš ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืจืง ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื–ืืช. ืฉื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ืฉืคืขื ืขื‘ื“ื• ืฉื ื•ื”ืคืขื ื”ืงืฆื™ื‘ื• ืœื ื• ื™ื—ื™ื“ื”. ื‘ื™ื—ื™ื“ื” ื›ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื• ืฉืœืฉ ืงื•ืžื•ืช ืฉืœ ืžื™ื˜ื•ืช. ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืื•ืจื’ืŸ ืžื”ืžื—ื ื” ืœื‘ื™ืช ื”ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ื•ื”ื™ื” ื—ื“ืจ ืื•ื›ืœ ืžืคื•ืืจ ืฉืฉื ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ืืจื•ื—ื” ื”ืขื™ืงืจื™ืช, ื›ื™ ืืช ืžื ืช ื”ืœื—ื ื•ื”ืงืคื” ื”ื–ื” ืœืฉืชื•ืช ืงื‘ืœื ื• ื‘ื”ืงืฆื‘ื” ื•ืจืง ืืช ื”ืืจื•ื—ื” ื”ื—ืžื”. ืื‘ืœ ื”ืืจื•ื—ื” ื”ื—ืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ื’ืฉืช, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ื‘ืคืืจ, ืื‘ืœ ืขืœ ื”ืฆืœื—ืช ืœื ื”ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ืจืขื‘ื™ื ืžืžืฉ. ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื ืขื–ืจื ื• ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืฆื•ืจื•ืช, ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื ื’ื ืื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื’ื ื•ื‘ ืื™ื–ื” ืชืคื•ื—ื™ ืื“ืžื”, ื•ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื’ื ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื•ืคืขื ืื—ืช ื ืชืคืกืชื™ ื•ื“ื ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœื‘ื•ื ืงืจ. ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœืžืจืชืฃ ืœืžืฉืš ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ ืžืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ืื‘ืœ ื›ืืžื•ืจ ืขื•ื“ ื™ืฆืืชื™ ืžื–ื” ื‘ืฉืœื•ื. ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื• ืขื“ ืกื•ืฃ ืงื™ืฅ ืื• ืขื“ ืงื™ืฅ 43'. ื‘ืงื™ืฅ 43' ื‘ืื” ืคืงื•ื“ื” ืœืคื ื•ืช ืืช ื›ื•ืœื. ื”ืขืžื™ืกื• ืืช ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืขืœ ืงืจื•ื ื•ืช ืกื’ื•ืจื™ื ื•ืื—ืจื™ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื - ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื›ืžื”, ื”ื™ื• ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื ืฉืœ ื ืกื™ืขื” - ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœ-ื‘ื™ืจืงื ืื• BIRKENAU. ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ื›ืœืœ ืžื” ื”ื•ื ื”ืฉื, ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ืžืงื•ื, ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ืจืง ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ื›ืฉื™ืจื“ื ื•, ื‘ืฆืขืงื•ืช ื•ื›ื•ืœื™, ืืžืจื• ืœื ื• ืœืฉื™ื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื˜ืขื ื™ื ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื‘ืขืจื™ืžื” ืฉื™ื‘ื™ืื• ืœื ื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืžืจื—ื•ืง ืฆืขืง ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืœืงืฆื™ืŸ ืฉืœื• ื•ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื• ืื ืœื”ื–ืžื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ื–ืงื ื™ื ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: ืœื. ื”ื•ื ืฉืืœ ืขื•ื“ ืคืขื: ื”ืื ืœื”ื–ืžื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ ืœื—ื•ืœื™ื, ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: ืœื, (ืžืฉืคื˜ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช), ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื”ืžื™ืœื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื ื—ืจืชื• ืœื™: ืจืง ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื‘ืจื™ืื™ื, ื›ื•ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ื‘ืจื’ืœ.ื•ื›ืš ื”ื™ื”, ื”ืœื›ื ื• ื‘ืจื’ืœ. ื‘ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืœืฉืขืจ, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืœื™ืœื”, ืขืžื“ื• ืื ืฉื™ ืก"ืก ืœื‘ื•ืฉื™ื ืžืฉื ื™ ื”ืฆื“ื“ื™ื ืื™ืคื” ืฉืขื‘ืจื ื• - ืขื‘ืจื ื• ื‘ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื•ืช - ืขื™ืฉื ื• ืกื™ื’ืจื™ื•ืช ืžืชื•ืš ืฉื™ื’ืจื” ื•ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฆื• ืœื›ืœ ื”ืขื•ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื. ืœืžื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžื–ืœ ืœื“ืขืช ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžืชื™ ืฉื™ื•ืจื“ื™ื ื”ืžืงืœื•ืช ื”ื•ื ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ืชื—ืžืง ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ ืืช ื–ื”. ื›ืš ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืžื—ื ื”. ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื™ืฉืจ ืœืฆืจื™ืฃ, ืฉื ืืžืจื• ืœื ื• ืœื”ืชืคืฉื˜ ืœื’ืžืจื™, ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ืขืจื•ืžื™ื ืœื’ืžืจื™. ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขืจื•ืžื™ื ื—ื™ื›ื™ื ื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ื›ืืŸ, ื•ื›ืš ื ื›ื ืก ืืœื™ื ื• ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ื”ื•ืœื ื“ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื‘ื•ืฉ ื‘ืžื“ื™ ื”ืคืกื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืžื“ื™ ืคืกื™ื ืžื’ื•ื”ืฆื™ื ื•ื ืงื™ื™ื, ื™ืคื”, ืขื ืกื™ื’ืจื™ื” ื‘ืคื”, ื•ืืœื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืฉืžืขืชื™ ืžืคื™ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื, ืฉืืžืจ ืœื ื•: ืืชื ื”-204, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืกื™ื’ืจื™ื” ื›ื–ื• ืžื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื›ื•ืœื›ื ืœืชื ื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ืื– ืจืื™ื ื• ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ืชื ื•ืจ, ืžื” ื–ื” ื”ืงืจืžื˜ื•ืจื™ื•ื ืฉื™ืฉ ืฉื ื•ื’ื ืžื” ืขืจื›ื ื•. ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืื ื™, ืžืชื•ืš ื–ื” ืฉืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืชืคืกืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ "ืฉื•ืง", ื‘ืจืง, ืฉื”ื ื” ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืืช ืžืงื•ืžื™. ื›ืš ื”ืขืจื›ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืžื” ืฉื”ืชื‘ืจืจ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ. ืœื ืขืจื•ืžื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื‘ื•ืฉื™ื ื‘ืžืฉื”ื• ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ืžืกืคืจื™ื ื•ื”ืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ื ื• ืœืคื™ ื"ื‘.
ืฉ: ืชืจืื” ืืช ื”ืžืกืคืจ.
ืช: ื–ื” ื”ืžืกืคืจ: 143972. ื›ืฉืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ืžืกืคืจ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืœื ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื”ื™ื” ื”ืงื™ื“ื•ืžืช ืฉืœ ื”ืžื“ื™ื ื” ืฉืœื ื•, 972. ืžืกืชื‘ืจ ืฉืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืžื‘ื™ืช ื”ื—ืจื•ืฉืช ื•ื”ืžื ื›"ืœ ืื• ื”ืžืื™ื•ืจ ื›ืคื™ ืฉืงืจืื ื• ืœื• - ื–ืืช ื“ืจื’ืช ืจื‘ ืกืจืŸ, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืงืจืื ื• ืœื• ื›ืš, ื”ืžืื™ื•ืจ - ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉืœื— ืžื›ืชื‘, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• 204 ื‘ืขืœื™ ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืฉื•ื ืกืœืงืฆื™ื” ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœ-ื‘ื™ืจืงื ืื• BIRKENAU ืืœื ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืคื ื™ืžื” ื•ืฉืžื ื• ื”ืœืš ืœืคื ื™ื ื•, ืฉื”ื ื” ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ื”-204. ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉื‘ืชื•ืš ื‘ื™ืจืงื ืื• BIRKENAU ืœื ื›ื•ืœื ืงื‘ืœื• ื›ื•ื‘ืขื™ื ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ืŸ ืงื‘ืœื ื• ื›ื•ื‘ืขื™ื, ื•ื›ืฉื”ืชืืžื ื• (ืœื ื‘ืจื•ืจ) ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื›ื•ื‘ืขื™ื.
ืฉ: ื•ื”ืœื‘ื•ืฉ?
ืช: ืื– ื›ื‘ืจ ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื‘ื’ื“ื™ ื”ืคืกื™ื, ืืš ื•ืจืง ื—ื•ืœืฆื” ื•ืžื›ื ืกื™ื, ื–ื” ื”ื›ืœ, ื•ืงื‘ืงื‘ื™ ืขืฅ. ืื‘ืœ ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื‘ื™ืจืงื ืื• BIRKENAU, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ, ืื•ืœื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืข, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง. ื ืฉืœื—ื ื• ืœืงืจื ื˜ื™ื ื” ืœ-ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ ื•ื’ื ื‘-ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ ืฉื”ื™ื ื• ืจืง ื™ืžื™ื ืกืคื•ืจื™ื ื•ืžืฉื ื”ื•ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœ-ื‘ื•ื ื” BUNA. ื‘-BUNA ื—ื™ืคืฉื• ื›ื ืจืื” ื‘ืขืœื™ ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• 204 ื‘ืขืœื™ ืžืงืฆื•ืข ื•ืฉื ื‘ื—ืจื• ืืช ื‘ืขืœื™ ื”ืžืงืฆื•ืข.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ืžื—ื ื” ืžืฉื ื” ืฉืœ ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ.
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื ืงืจื ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ 3. ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ื‘-43' ืขื•ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจ ืžืชื•ืš ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืฉื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ื‘"ื™ื“ ื•ืฉื" ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื›ืคื™ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืจืง ื—ืœืง. ื—ื•ืœืง ืœื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”. ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ืืกืคื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ืืช ื”-204 ื•ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœื‘ืงืฉ ื›ืืœื” ื•ื›ืืœื” ื‘ืขืœื™ ืžืงืฆื•ืข, ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ืฉืขื‘ื“ ืฉื ื‘ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช ื›ืืœื” ื•ื›ืืœื”, ื”ืฆื™ื’ ืืช ืขืฆืžื• ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืฉื›ื–ื” ื•ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื•ื—ื™ืœืงื• ืื•ืชื ืœื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื•ืช, ืขื“ ืฉื ืฉืืจื ื• ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื™ื ื•ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื”ื ื‘ืืžืช ืฉืืœื• ืœืžืงืฆื•ืข ื•ืื– ืืžืจื• ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื™ื ืฉื ืฉืืจื• ื ื’ืจื™ื. ืื ื™ ื”ืฆื’ืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ืชืคืกืŸ, ื”ื™ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื“ื™ ื ื’ืจื™ื, ืžื” ืขื•ื“ ืฉืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื”. ื›ื›ื–ื” ื ืฉืœื—ื ื• ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื”ื ื’ืจื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืžื’ืจืฉ ืฉืœ ืขืฆื™ื, ื›ื™ ื›ืš ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื—ื™ืœืงื•: ืžื™ ืฉื ื’ืจ ืกื—ื‘ ืงืจืฉื™ื, ืžื™ ืฉืชืคืกืŸ ืกื—ื‘ ืงื•ืจื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ื“ื•ืœื•ืช. ืฉื ืขื‘ื“ื ื• ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื ื‘ืชื ืื™ื-ืœื-ืชื ืื™ื, ื‘ืงื‘ืงื‘ื™ ืขืฅ ื‘ื’ืฉื ื•ื”ื‘ื•ืฅ, ืกืชื ื ืกื—ื‘ื ื• ืžืžืงื•ื ืœืžืงื•ื, ืจืขื‘ื™ื, ืชืฉื•ืฉื™ื, ืœืœื ืขืจืš ื•ืœืœื ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ ื‘ื”ืชื’ืœืžื•ืชื•. ื‘ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ืžื™ื ื‘ื ืœืงื•ืžื ื“ื• ืฉืœื ื• ืงืืคื• ืขื ื’ืจืžื ื™ ื•ื‘ืงืฉ ืœื“ืขืช ืžื™ ืžืืชื ื• ื›ืืŸ ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ืฉืจื˜ื•ื˜ื™ื, ื‘ืžืคื•ืช, ื‘ืกืงืืœื”, ื‘ืงื ื”-ืžื™ื“ื”, ื‘ืฆืคื•ืŸ ื“ืจื•ื ื‘ืžืคื”. ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื ืžืฆื. ืื ื™ ื‘ื›"ื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื“ื™ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ ื•ืœืžื“ืชื™ ื’ื ื•ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืคื—ื•ืช ืื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ืงืฆืช ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”. ื‘ืชื ืื™ื ื›ืืœื• ืฉื‘ื”ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ื™ืคืฉืชื™ ืื•ืœื™ ื™ื•ืฆืข ืœื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ, ื•ืืžืจืชื™ ืฉืื ื™ ื›ืฉืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ื”ื™ื”. ืื– ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœืžื‘ื ื” ืฉื”ื™ื”. ื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืœื•ื— ืฉืจื˜ื•ื˜ ืงื˜ืŸ. ืขืœ ืœื•ื— ื”ืฉืจื˜ื•ื˜ ื”ื™ื• ืžืฉื•ืจื˜ื˜ื™ื ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ื›ืกื ื•ืืžืจื• ืœื™ ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืžื” ืฉื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืฉืจื˜ื•ื˜ ื”ื–ื”. ืงื•ื“ื ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืชื•ืš ืžื‘ื ื”, ืœื ื‘ืฉืœื’, ืœื ื‘ื’ืฉื. ื’ื ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ื›ื•ืก ืžื™ื. ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืคื” ื•ืฉื ื”ื’ื ื™ื‘ื• ืœื™ ืขื•ื“ ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืœื—ื. ื™ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ืžืฉืš ื™ืžื™ื ื•ื”ืกืชื›ืœืชื™ ื‘ืฉืจื˜ื•ื˜ ื”ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื”ื‘ื ืช ืžืฉื”ื•?
ืช: ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื•, ืื•ืœื™ ืœื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง, ืื‘ืœ ืžืฉื”ื• ื”ื‘ื ืชื™. ื”ืงืืคื• ืฉืœื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื”ื™ื” ืž-ื‘ืจื ื• ืฉื‘ืฆ'ื›ื™ื” ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืฆื™ืŸ ืืฆืœ ื”ืกืคืจื“ื™ื ื‘ืžืœื—ืžืช ืกืคืจื“. ื›ืฉื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื ื›ื ืกื• ื•ื›ื‘ืฉื• ืืช ืฆ'ื›ื™ื” ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืจืฉื™ืžื” ืฉืœื”ื ื•ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื• ืžื™ื“ ืœ-ื‘ื•ื›ื ื•ื•ืœื“ BUCHENWALD ื•ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืฉื›ื–ื” ืžืคื” ืœืฉื ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœ-BUNA ื•ื ืขืฉื” ืงืืคื•. ื”ื•ื ืขืฆืžื• ื”ื™ื” ืžื ื”ืœ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื‘ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืฉืจ ืื ื™ ื”ื‘ื ืชื™ ื•ื›ืฉื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืื•ืœื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ื™ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ืคื ื™ื ื•ื”ืชืขื ื’ืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื” ืฉื‘ื”ืฉื•ื•ืื” ืœื›ื•ืœื ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื—ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื•ื‘, ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื”ืงืืคื•, ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™, 2 ืื ืฉื™ ืก"ืก, ืื ื™ ื•ืขื•ื“ ืฉื ื™ ื”ืคื˜ืœื™ื ื’ื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืืชื ื•. ื™ืฆืื ื• ื•ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืื™ื–ื” ืฉื“ื” ื•ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ ืžืจืื” ืœื™: ื”ืžืจื›ื– ื”ื–ื” ืฉื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืฉืจื˜ื•ื˜ ื–ื” ื”ืกื™ืžืŸ ืฉื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ื‘ืงืจืงืข, ื•ืžื›ืืŸ ืืชื” ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื” ืฉื™ืฉื ื• ื›ืืŸ. ื”ืงืืคื• ืืžืจ ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื’ื ืื ื™ ืืžืจืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ื•ื–ื”ื•. ื•ืื– ื™ืฆืจื• ืงื•ืžื ื“ื• ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ืงืจื ืคืœื"ืง(?) ืงื•ืžื ื“ื• (ืžืคืจื˜ ื‘ื’ืจืžื ื™ืช), ื–ื” ื ื’ื“ ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื. ื–ื” ืงื•ืžื ื“ื• ืžืก' 162 ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืจื›ื‘ ืž-30 ืื• 32 ืื™ืฉ. ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉ-30 ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ื ื•ื”ืงืืคื• ื•ืกื’ื ื• ื”ื™ื• ืขื•ื“ ืฉื ื™ื™ื. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื—ืฆื™ืช ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื’ื•ื™ื™ื ื•ืžื—ืฆื™ืช ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืงื•ืžื ื“ื• ื”ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฉืœ ืžื•ืžื—ื™ื?
ืช: ืœื. ืžื•ืžื—ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื›ืืœื•, ืฉืžืชื•ืš ื›ืœ ืืœื• ืฉื”ื™ื•, ื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืื™ื–ื” ืžื•ืžื—ื” ื‘ืชื—ื•ืžื•, ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื•, ืฉืื—"ื› ื”ืชื‘ืจืจื• ื›ื—ืกืจื™ ืชื•ืขืœืช, ืื•ืœื™ ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืชื•ืขืœืช. ืชืคืงื™ื“ื ื• ื”ื™ื” ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืขืžื“ื•ืช ืœืชื•ืชื—ื™ื ื ื’ื“ ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื. ื”ืขืžื“ื•ืช ื”ืืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืขื ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืžื’ื•ืจื™ื ื•ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืœืชื—ืžื•ืฉืช, ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช ืœืขื–ืจื” ืจืืฉื•ื ื”, ื•ืืœื• ื”ื™ื• ืกื‘ื™ื‘ BUNA. BUNA ืขืฆืžื• ื”ื™ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ื’ื“ื•ืœ, ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืข ืฉืฉื ืขื‘ื“ื• 40 ืืœืฃ ืื™ืฉ ื‘ื‘ื ื™ื™ืช ื”ืžืขืคืœ ื”ื–ื”. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืคืขืœ ืฉืœ ืื™.ื’. ืคืืจื‘ืŸ ืื™ื ื“ื•ืกื˜ืจื™, ืฉืืžื•ืจ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ื™ืฆืจ ืœื”ื ื’ื•ืžื™ ืกื™ื ืชื˜ื™ ื•ื‘ื ื–ื™ืŸ ืกื™ื ืชื˜ื™ ื•ืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ื”ืงืžืช ื‘ื™ื”ื—"ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ืคื•ืขืœื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืฉื”ืงืžื ื• ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ืขืžื“ื•ืช. ืื—"ื› ื‘ื›ืœ ืขืžื“ื” ื”ืงืžื ื• ืœื”ื ื’ื ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื ืœืžื’ื•ืจื™ื ื•ื›ื›ื” ืขื‘ื“ื ื• ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ื›ืฉืื—"ื› ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ื”ื–ืžื ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืœื”ื ืงื• ื—ืฉืžืœ ืฉื™ืฉืจืช ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชื•ืชื—ื™ื, ื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉืขื“ ืื– ื”ื ืจืง ืขื‘ื“ื• ืขืœื™ื”ื ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื™ื“ื ื™ืช, ืื– ืขื‘ืจื ื• ื“ืจืš ื›ืœ ื”ืฉื“ื•ืช ื•ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืžื’ืข ืขื ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื•ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช ืข"ื™ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืฆื•ืจื•ืช ืžืกื—ืจ ื•ืกื—ืจ-ืžื›ืจ ื•ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื” ื”ืฆืœื—ื ื• ื™ืคื” ืžืื“ ืœืคืจื ืก ืืช ืขืฆืžื ื• ืฉืœื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืจืขื‘ื™ื ื•ืœื“ืื•ื’ ืœืžื—ืกื•ืจื ื•. ืขื“ ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืš ืฉื ืคื˜ืจื ื• ืžื”ืงื‘ืงื‘ื™ื, ื”ื™ื• ืœื ื• ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ื”ื’ื•ื ื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืžืื•ื“, ืœืœื‘ื•ืฉ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ืืกื•ืจ ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ ืื‘ืœ ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืชืจ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื•. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™. ืื ื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ืขืœ ื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื™ืชืจ ืื‘ืœ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื ื•ื“ืข ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ืฉืœื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืกืชื›ืœ ื‘ืžืคื” ืžืืฉืจ ืกื•ื—ื‘ ืืช ืขืžื•ื“ื™ ื”ื—ืฉืžืœ, ื›ืš ืฉืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื™ืฆื ืœื™ ืœื˜ื•ื‘ื”. ื”ืงืืคื• ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื”ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืฉืœื• ื”ื™ื” ืฆื•ืจืš ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืžืžืฉ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื• ื”ื›ืœ, ืžื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืก ืืœื™ื ื• ืžืžืฉ ื›ื—ื‘ืจื™ื, ืžืžืฉ ื“ืื’ ืœื ื• ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืžื•ื‘ื ื™ื. ืื ื™ ืขืฆืžื™ ื›ืžืขื˜ ืฉืœื ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ื‘ืžืฉืš ื›ืœ ื”ืฉื ื™ื, ื—ื•ืฅ ืžืืฉืจ ื‘- EBERSWALDE ืคืขื ืžืžื™ืฉื”ื•, ืžืื™ื–ื” ืฉื•ืžืจ ืœื™ืœื” ืฉื”ืชืœื‘ืฉ ืขืœื™ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ื•ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืœื™ ืžื›ื•ืช, ืœื ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืžืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืฉื•ื ืžื›ื•ืช.
ืกื•ืฃ ืฆื“ ื‘' ื‘ืงืœื˜ืช ืจืืฉื•ื ื”
ืฉ: ืžื” ืขื•ื“ ืืชื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื•ืกื™ืฃ ืขืœ ื”ืงืืคื• ื”ื–ื”?
ืช: ื”ืžืงืจื” ื”ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื”ืžืืคื™ื™ืŸ ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื”ืงืืคื• ื”ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืžืกื•ื™ืžืช, ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืงื™ื ืขืžื•ื“ื™ ื—ืฉืžืœ ื‘ืกื™ื‘ื•ื‘ - ืฉืžื™ื ืฉื ืขืžื•ื“ื™ื ื‘ืฆื•ืจืช A. ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื™ืฉ ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืขืฅ ื›ื–ืืช ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื›ื™ืŸ ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืขืฅ ืงื˜ื ื” ื›ื–ืืช ืฉืžืชื‘ืจื’ืช ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื ื™ ื”(ืขืžื•ื“ื™ื). ืื ื™, ืžืฉื•ื ืžื”, ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืื™ื–ื” ืขืžื•ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ืจืื” ืœื™ ื™ืคื” ื•ื“ืง ื•ืœื ืฆืจื™ืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ืขืœื™ื•, ื•ืžืฉื ื—ืชื›ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื—ืชื™ื›ื” ื”ื–ืืช. ืื– ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ืงืืคื• ืฉื”ืœืš ืœืคื ื™ ื”ื‘ื™ืงื•ืจืช ืฉืœ ืื™ื–ื” ื’ื ืจืœ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื, ื•ื”ื•ื ืจืื” ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™. ื”ืกืชื‘ืจ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืžื•ื“ ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื›ื–ื” ื•ืื ื™ ืคืชืื•ื ื—ืชื›ืชื™ ืขืžื•ื“ ื›ื–ื” ืžื‘ืœื™ ืฉื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืžื” ื–ื” - ื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข ืžื” ื–ื”. ื”ื•ื ืงืจื ืœื™ ื•ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ "ืคืœืกืง" ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืคืจืฆื•ืฃ ืฉื”ื“ื ื›ื•ืœื• ื ืฉืคืš ืœื™ ื•ืื– ืฆืขืง ืœื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืืกืชืœืง ืœื• ืžื”ืขื™ื ื™ื™ื ื•ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ืืช ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ืœื— ืื•ืชื™ ืžื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื” ืฉื‘ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื ืจืื” ื‘ืกื›ื ื” ืžืžืฉื™ืช. ื–ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ื“. ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืืชื•: ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืืื•ืกื˜(?) ืงื•ืžื ื“ื•, ืคืจื•ืฉ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื ืขื‘ื“ื ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžืคืขืœ ืฉืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื•ืžืจื™ื ืืœื ื‘ืžื›ื•ื ื™ืช ื”ื™ื• ืžื‘ื™ืื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืœืื—ืช ื”ืขืžื“ื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื• ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœืžืคืขืœ, ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืžืคืขืœ. ื”ื™ื• ืืชื ื• ื›ืžื” ืฉื•ืžืจื™ ืก"ืก ืขื ืžืคืงื“ื, ื•ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื›ื•ื ื™ืช ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืฉื‘ ื”ื ื”ื’, ืžืคืงื“ ื”ืก"ืก, ื”ืงืืคื• ื•ืœืžืขืœื” ื‘ืžื›ื•ื ื™ืช ืคืชื•ื—ื” ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืืกื™ืจื™ื ื•ื›ืžื” ืื ืฉื™ ืก"ืก ืขืœ ื ืฉืงื - ืืœื• ื”ื™ื• ื–ืงื ื™ื, ื”ืฉื•ืžืจื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืฉืœื ื•. ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื™ื•ืจื“ื™ื ืžื”ืžื›ื•ื ื™ืช ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืขื•ื–ืจื™ื ืœื”ื ืœืจื“ืช, ืื—"ื› ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ืจื•ื‘ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื™ื—ื“ ื•ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ืขืœ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจ, ืœื ืขืœ ื‘ืจื™ื—ื”. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืคืขื ื›ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ืจื•ืจ, ื™ื“ืขื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘ื‘ื™ืจื•ืจ ืฉืžื” ืฉืœื ื™ื”ื™ื” ืกื•ืฃ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” - ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืงื™ื•ื•ื™ื ื• ืœืžืคืœื” ืฉืœ ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื ืฆื ื—ื™ื™ื ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ื•ื”ื ืœื ื™ืชื ื• ืœื ื• ืœืฆืืช ืžื–ื” ื‘ืฉืœื•ื. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื– 4 ืื ืฉื™ื, ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื ืื—ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขืœ ื—ื‘ืจืช ื”ืื•ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืกื™ื- ื ื”ื’, ืื—ื“ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื˜ื•ื‘ื ื“ื™ื ืกื˜ ื•ืขื•ื“ ืฉื ื™ื™ื ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ืชื•ื›ื. ื”ื—ืœื˜ื ื• ืฉื‘ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœื ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื‘ืจื•ื— ืœื”ืจื™ื, ื–ื” ืœื ืจื—ื•ืง ืžื”ื”ืจื™ื ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื‘ืจื•ื— ืœืฉื. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื–ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืฉื™ืชื•ืฃ ืคืขื•ืœื” ืขื ื”ืงืืคื•, ื‘ืœืขื“ื™ื• ืœื ื™ื™ืชื›ืŸ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืฉืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื™ื—ืกืœ ืฉื ืืช ื”ื ื”ื’ ืื• ืืช ื”ืžืคืงื“ ืฉื™ื•ืฉื‘ ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื. ืื– ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืืœื™ื• ืœืกืคืจ ืœื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ืฉืœื ื•. ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ืกื›ื™ื ืชื›ืฃ, ืืžืจ ืฉื™ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื–ื”. ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ืงืจื ืœื ื• ื•ื—ื–ืจื ื• ืืœื™ื• ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื ื•: ืชืจืื•, ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืกื›ื™ื ืœื›ืœ ื”ืชื•ื›ื ื™ืช ื”ื–ืืช. ื”ื•ื ื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืœื ื• ื›ื›ื”: ืื ื—ื ื•, ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืกื›ื ืช ื—ื™ื™ื ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื” ื›ื“ืื™ ืœื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื›ืœ ืžืืžืฅ ื•ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœื ืกื•ืช ืœืงื—ืช ืฆ'ืื ืก ืื•ืœื™. ื”ืžื—ืฆื™ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื, ื”ื ืœื ื‘ืกื›ื ืช ื—ื™ื™ื, ื”ื ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื™ืขื‘ืจื• ืืช ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” - ื™ื™ืงื— ืขื•ื“ ืฉื ื” ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื, ื›ืžื” ืฉื–ื” ืœื ื™ื™ืงื—, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื... ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ืฆืื™ื ืœื”ืจื™ื, ืชื“ืขื• ืœื›ื ืฉื”ืชื ืื™ื ืฉื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ืจื•ืขื™ื ืžืืฉืจ ื›ืืŸ - ืฉื ืจืขื‘ ื•ื—ื•ืœื™ ื•ืžื’ื™ืคื•ืช ื•ืžื” ืฉืœื ื™ื”ื™ื” - ืื™ืš ืืชื ืžืชืืจื™ื ืœืขืฆืžื›ื? ื”ืจื™ ื”ื ื™ื—ื™ื• ืืชื ื•, ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื—ื™ื” ืืชื ื‘ืžืฆื‘ื™ื ื›ืืœื•? ื–ื” ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืคืฉืจื™. ื”ื•ื ืคืกืœ ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืื– ื–ืขืžื ื• ื•ื›ืขืกื ื• ืขืœื™ื• ืžืื“, ืžืื“. ืขื“ ืฉื‘ื ื”ืžืงืจื” ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ืžื—ื ื”, ืฉืœ ื—ื™ื™ื. ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ ืžื‘ื™ืืœื™ืกื˜ื•ืง ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžืžื•ื ื” ืขืœ ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ืงืจืื• ืœื–ื” ืœืื’ืจ-ืืœื˜ืกื˜ื”. ื‘ืฆืจื™ืฃ ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื• ื›-150 ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืจืืฉ ื”ืฆืจื™ืฃ ื”ื–ื”, ืžืžื•ื ื” ืขืœื™ื”ื. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืฉ ืื”ื•ื“ ื•ืื”ื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื›ื•ืœื, ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื™ืคื” ืชื•ืืจ, ืชืžื™ื“ ืœื‘ื•ืฉ ื™ืคื”. ืคืขื ื‘ืืคืœ, ื‘ืžืกื“ืจ, ื”ื•ื ืžืฆื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื‘ืฉ ืžืฉื”ื• ืžืชื—ืช ืœื—ื•ืœืฆื”, ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืืกื•ืจ, ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ื ืื•ืชื• ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื”, ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืฆืจื•ื— ืขืœื™ื•, ื•ื‘ืฆืจื™ื—ื•ืช ืฉืืœ: ืžื™ ื–ื” ืฉื ืชืŸ ืœืš ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ: ื–ื” ื•ื–ื” ื ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืืช ื–ื”. ืื– ืœืขื™ื ื™ ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืœื• ืžื›ื•ืช: ืืชื” ืžืœืฉื™ืŸ ืขืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื ืชืŸ ืœืš ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื”? ื–ืืช ืฆื•ืจืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช? ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืœื• ืžื›ื•ืช ืœืขื™ื ื™ ื›ื•ืœื ืขืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื–ื”. ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ื–ื”, ื”ื™ื” ืžืื“ ืื”ื•ื“.
ืฉ: ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ืงืืคื•?
ืช: ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืœื•ืง ืืœื˜ืกื˜ื”, ื–ื” ืžื™ืŸ ืงืืคื• ืฉืœ ื”ื‘ืœื•ืง, ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืงืืคื•, ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ื™ืฆื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื”. ื‘ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ืžื™ื ื—ื™ื™ื ื ืขืœื, ืื™ืŸ ื—ื™ื™ื. ืžืกืชื‘ืจ ืฉื—ื™ื™ื ื ืขืœื ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืขื•ื“ ืฉื ื™ื™ื ืฉืขื‘ื“ื• ื‘ืžื˜ื‘ื—: ื”ืงืืคื• ืฉืœ ื”ืžื˜ื‘ื— ื•ืขื•ื–ืจื•, ื”ื ื ืขืœืžื•. ื›ื•ืœื ืฉืžื—ื• ืขืœ ื—ื™ื™ื, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ. ื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ืฉืžื•ืขื” ืฉืชืคืกื• ืืช ืฉื ื™ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื”ืืœื• ื•ื”ื—ื–ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื ืœืžื—ื ื” ืฉืœื ื•. ืืช ื—ื™ื™ื - ืœื. ืœื ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืžื” ื”ื•ืœืš, ืื‘ืœ ื ื•ื“ืข ืœื ื• ื‘ืจื‘ื•ืช ื”ื™ืžื™ื, ืฉืžืกืชื‘ืจ ืฉืฉื ื™ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื”ืืœื• ื”ืจื’ื• ืืช ื—ื™ื™ื ื•ื™ืฆืื• ืœื‘ืœื•ืช. ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื• ืžื”ืžื—ื ื” ืœื ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืกื›ื ืช ื—ื™ื™ื; ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืจื— ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืกื›ื ืช ื—ื™ื™ื, ื•ื”ื ืœื ื”ืกื›ื™ืžื• ืœื ื”ืœ ืฆื•ืจืช ื—ื™ื™ื ื›ืžื• ืฉื—ื™ื™ื ืจืฆื” - ื—ื™ื™ื ืจืฆื”, ื›ื ืจืื” ืจืง ืœื”ืกืชืชืจ ืื™ืคื”-ืฉื”ื•ื, ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื ืจืฆื• ืœื—ื™ื•ืช, ื•ืขื•ื“ ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืฉื ื™ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื˜ื‘ื—, ื‘ืืžืช ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื—ืกืจ ืœื”ื ืื•ื›ืœ ื’ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื—ื ื”, ื•ื›ืฉื”ื ื‘ืจื—ื• ืื– ื‘ืจื—ื• ืœืฆื•ืจืš ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืžืงืจื” ืฉืœ ื—ื™ื™ื, ืœืœืžื“ืš ืฉื”ืงืืคื• ืฉืœื ื• ื™ื“ืข ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืขืœ ืžื” ื”ื•ื ืžื“ื‘ืจ ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ืกื›ื™ื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ื”ื•ื ื”ืฆื™ืœ ืืชื›ื ื‘ื–ื”?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื›ืžื”... ืืช ืขืฆืžื• ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ืฆื™ืœ, ื”ื•ื ืœื ืขื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”. ื›ื›ื” ื—ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘-ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ, ื‘-ื‘ื•ื ื” BUNA ื‘ืขืฆื. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ BUNA ืžืชื•ืš ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื”ืจื™ื›ื•ื–, ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžื›ื™ืจ - ื‘ื™ืจืงื ืื• BIRKENAU, ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ - ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ื ื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืจืง ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฆื™ื™ืŸ ืœื˜ื•ื‘ื”: ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื• ื—ื™ืžื• ื‘ืœื™ืœื•ืช, ื›ืฉื‘ืื ื• ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื“ืื’ื•. ื—ื•ืฅ ืžื–ื”, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืงื•ืžื•ื ื™ืกื˜ื™ื ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื˜ื• ืฉื ื‘-ื‘ื•ื ื” BUNA ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ื›ื ื™ืกื• ืฉื ืžืŸ ืžืฉื˜ืจ ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”. ืœืžืฉืœ, ืืฆืœื ื• ื‘ื‘ืœื•ืง ืื ื™ ื‘ืขืฆืžื™ ืจืื™ืชื™, ืฉื‘ื ืคืขื ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ื”ืœืื’ืจ-ืืœื˜ืกื˜ืจ ื•ืœืื’ืจ ืงืืคื• - ืืœื” ื”ืฉื ื™ื™ื ืฉื”ื ื”ื›ื™-ื”ื›ื™ ื‘ืžื—ื ื” - ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืžื”ืฉื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ื”ื—ื“ืจ ื”ื™ื•ืชืจ ืงื˜ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืงืืคื•ืก, ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ืชื‘ืจืจ ืฉื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื™ื•ื ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืœืืกื™ืจื™ื. ื”ื ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชื• ื•ืœืขื™ื ื™ ื›ื•ืœื ื”ืจื‘ื™ืฆื• ืœื• ืืช ื”ืžื›ื•ืช, ืฉื™ื“ืขื• ื•ื™ืจืื• ืžื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืœืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืžืจื‘ื™ืฅ ืœื—ื‘ืจื™ื, ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”. ื›ืš ืฉื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจื” ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ... ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืฉืื ืฉื™ ื”ืก"ืก ืฉื”ื™ื• ื•ื”ืžืกื“ืจื™ื ื”ืืจื•ื›ื™ื ืฉื ืฉืขืžื“ื ื• ื‘ื’ืฉื ื•ื‘ื—ื•ืฉืš ื•ืื—"ื› ืขื•ื“ ืœืฆืืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ืคืจืš...
ืฉ: ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื...
ืช: ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื”ื™ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืื“, ื•ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืžื”ืกืœืงืฆื™ื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ื›ืžื” ืฉืœืงื—ื• ืœืกืœืงืฆื™ื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ืืฉื›ื—, ื–ื›ื•ืจื™ื ืœื™ ืฉื ื™ ืื—ื™ื ืžื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืžื›ื•ื ื™ืช ื™ื•ืฆืื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื•ื”ื ืขื•ืžื“ื™ื ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืจื™ื›ื•ื–, ืžื—ื›ื™ื ืฉื™ื™ืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ืœืงืจืžื˜ื•ืจื™ื•ื. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืจืื™ืชื™ ืžืžืฉ ืืช ื”ืกื•ืฃ ืฉืœ ื›ื•ืœื ื•, ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืžื“ื™ื. ื•ื”ื ืขื•ืžื“ื™ื ื‘ืฉื•ื•ื™ื•ืŸ ื ืคืฉ, ื‘ื™ืื•ืฉ, ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ืžื—ื›ื™ื ืœื’ื•ืจืœื, ืฉื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ.
ืฉ: ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืช ืขื“ ื™ื ื•ืืจ 45'?
ืช: ื‘-ื‘ื•ื ื” BUNA ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื“ ื™ื ื•ืืจ 45', ื•ืื– ื‘ื™ื ื•ืืจ 45' ื”ื•ืฆื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื‘ืจื’ืœ ื•ืขื‘ืจื ื• ื“ืจืš ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ ื•ื‘ืžืฉืš ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื-ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืžื—ื ื” ื’ืœื™ื™ื‘ื™ืฅ GLEIWITZ.
ืฉ: ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฆืขื“ืช ื”ืžื•ื•ืช?
ืช: ืœื, ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ืขื‘ืจื”, ืคื™ื ื•ื™ ืฉืœ ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ, ื•ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืžื—ื ื” ืฉืงื•ืจืื™ื ืœื• ื’ืœื™ื™ื‘ื™ืฅ GLEIWITZ, ื•ืืžื ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื• ืื™-ืืœื• ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื‘ืจื—ื•. ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ, ืžื™ ืฉื—ืฉื‘ ืขืœ ื‘ืจื™ื—ื”, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ื›ื ืจืื” ื”ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื”. ืื ื™ ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื—ื“ื™ื ืžืืœื” ืฉื‘ืจื—ื• ืžื”ืฆื“ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื ืฉืืจื• ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื. ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื›ื™ ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืื“ ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ืœื‘ื•ืฉ ืขื ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ื•ื”ื›ืœ, ื•ื™ื“ืขื ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉื”ื ื” ืื•-ื˜ื•-ื˜ื•ื˜ ืžืคื ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื•, ื–ืืช ืื•ืžืจืช ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืกื•ืฃ ื”ื“ืจืš, ืฉืื•ืœื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช... (ื”ืคืกืงื”).
ืžื™ื ื•ืืจ 45' ื›ื‘ืจ ืื™ืŸ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื” ืœืกืคืจ.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื‘-ื’ืœื™ื™ื‘ื™ืฅ GLEIWITZ - 1 ืื• 2?
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื™ืš ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื“ืขืช ืืช ื–ื”? ื‘-ื’ืœื™ื™ื‘ื™ืฅ GLEIWITZ ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืจืง ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื. ืฉื ืจืง ื”ื’ืจืžื ื™ื ื”ืงืืคื•'ืก ื”ืคื•ืฉืขื™ื - ืืœื” ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ ืงืืคื•'ืก ื’ืจืžื ื™ื, ื”ื ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืคื•ืœื™ื˜ื™ื™ื ืืœื ืคื•ืฉืขื™ื, ืฉื”ื‘ื—ื ื• ื‘ื”ื ืœืคื™ ื”ืžืฉื•ืœืฉ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื, ืžืฉื•ืœืฉ ื™ืจื•ืง, ืฉืžืฆื™ื™ืŸ ืคื•ืฉืขื™ื, ื•ื”ื ื”ืฉืชืœื˜ื• ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื’ื ืขืœ ื”ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืฉื”ื™ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช. ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืขืžื™ืกื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืขืœ ืงืจื•ื ื•ืช ื•ื‘ืงืจื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื• ื ืกืขื ื• ื•ื ืกืขื ื•, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืืœื” ื”ื™ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื‘ื˜ื— ื”ื™ื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช, ืฉื ืกืขื ื• ื‘ืงืจื•ื ื•ืช ืคืชื•ื—ื™ื ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฃ, ื“ื—ื•ืกื™ื ืขื“ ืื™ื ืกื•ืฃ, ืขื ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืชื™ื, ืฉืคื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ืฆื•ืจื”. ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ืฉืื ื™ ืฉืชืคืกืชื™ ืคื™ื ื”, ืคื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืžื”ืคื™ื ื”, ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื•ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื™ืš ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื”ืงืืคื• ื ื™ืกืœ ืฉื ืžืช ืื™ืคื”-ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ื”ื–ืืช, ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœื“ื•ืจื” DORA.
ืฉ: ืฉื–ื” ืžื—ื ื” ืžืฉื ื” ืฉืœ BUCHENWALD.
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืืช ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ (ืœื ื‘ืจื•ืจ). ืฉื ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื™ืžื™ื ื™ ื•ืžืฉืžืืœื™, ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืžื™ ื”ื™ื”, ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื”, ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืฆืจื™ืฃ, ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžื—ื ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืื ื™ ืจืง ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืคืจืง ื–ืžืŸ ืžืฆืืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ื‘ืืœืจื™ืš ELLRICH. ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™ ื”ื•ื ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื’ืจื•ืข ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืขืœื™ ืื“ืžื•ืช ืžื›ืœ ื”ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื•ืžื›ืœ ื”ืกื‘ืœ ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื™. ื ืฉืœื—ืชื™ ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืœืื™ื–ื” ื ื’ืจ ืฉื”ื ื’ืจื™ื” ืฉืœื•...
ืฉ: ื›ืฉืืชื” ืื•ืžืจ ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื›ื™ ื’ืจื•ืข - ืื•ืœื™ ืชืกืคืจ ืงืฆืช ืขืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉื, ืขืœ ื”ืชื ืื™ื.
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืจืง ื‘ืจื™ืฆื” ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืžืžืงื•ื ืœืžืงื•ื ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื•ื‘ืฉื›ื‘ื ื• ืœื™ืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ืฆืจื™ื—ื•ืช ื•ืจืฆื™ื—ื•ืช ื‘ืžืงื•ื; ืœื ื–ื›ื•ืจ ืœื™ ืฉืงื‘ืœื ื• ืื™ืคื”-ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืžืกื•ื“ืจืช ืื•ื›ืœ, ืื•ืœื™ ืคื” ื•ืฉื ืžืื™ืคื”-ืฉื”ื•ื, ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ืชื•ื ื™ื ืœืขืฆืžื ื• ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ืื™ื•ืžื™ื ื•ืจื™ืฆื•ืช ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื•, ื•ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื•ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื™, ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ืš ืžื›ืจื•ืช ืื‘ืŸ, ื‘ืคื ื™ื, ืฉืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ื ื’ืจื™ื™ื”, ืฉืœืฉื ืฉืœื—ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ืืฆืœ ื”ื ื’ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื˜ื•ื‘, ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืชืขืœืœ ื‘ื™, ื’ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื“ืจืฉ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื‘ืœืชื™ ืืคืฉืจื™ื™ื, ืืฃ ืขืœ ืคื™ ืฉื‘ืขื™ื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื—ืœืฉ ื•ื—ืกืจ ืืคืฉืจื•ืช ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื•, ืฉืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืื™ืš ืื ื™ ื”ื—ื–ืงืชื™ ืฉื ืžืขืžื“. ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉื‘ืชื•ืš ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื, ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืกืคื•ืจื™ื, ื”ืขื‘ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื‘ืžืกืข ื‘ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ืฉื’ื ืืจืš ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ.
ืฉ: ืื™ืคื” ื’ืจืชื ืฉื?
ืช: ื‘ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ. ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ืฉื‘ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื“ื™ื›ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ื•ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืจื“ืคื• ืื•ืชื ื•, ื•ืื ื™ ืจืง ื”ื™ื™ืชื™, ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื–ื›ื•ืจ, ื›ืžื• ื—ื™ื” ื ืจื“ืคืช ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื, ืฉืœื ืจืื™ืชื™ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื™ืžื™ื ื™ ืœืฉืžืืœื™, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ืืฃ ืื—ื“, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื ื”ื™ื” ืื™ืคื”-ืฉื”ื•ื ืžื˜ื‘ื—, ืžืžืฉ ืœื•ื˜ ื‘ืขืจืคืœ ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื–ื›ืจ ื‘ืžืฆื‘ื™ื.
ืฉ: ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืจื‘ื™ื ืฉื?
ืช: ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืื“ ืฉื, ื•ื›ื•ืœื, ืขื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ื‘ืจื™ืฆื•ืช ื”ืœื•ืš ื•ื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืื™ืคื”-ืฉื”ื•ื, ืžื‘ืœื™ ืœื”ื™ืชืงืœ ื‘ืืฃ ืื—ื“.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืœื™ ืžืื™ื–ื” ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ืฉื?
ืช: ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื, ืžืื™ื–ื” ืžื“ื™ื ื•ืช ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืžืžืฉ "ื‘ืœืง ืืื•ื˜", ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ืจืง ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื›ืฉื™ืฆืื ื• ืžื”ืžื—ื ื” ื‘ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ื•ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืฆื‘ืข, ืฉืžื”ืงื•ืจ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืœื›ืช, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื ื™ื™ื ืฉืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืชืžื›ื• ื‘ื™ ื•ื›ื›ื” ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื”ืฉืขืจ. ืขืœื™ื ื• ืœืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ื•ื”ืจื›ื‘ื•ืช ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœ-ื–ืงืกื ื”ืื•ื–ืŸ SACHSENHAUSEN . ื‘-ื–ืงืกื ื”ืื•ื–ืŸ SACHSENHAUSEN ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืŸ ืขื™ืจ ืฉืœื™, ืฉื™ื—ื“ ืืชื ื• ื™ืฆืื ื• ืžื”ืขื™ืจ - ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื-ืฉืœืฉ ืื• ืืจื‘ืข ืฆืขื™ืจ ืžืžื ื™, ืื—ื•ืชื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™. ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ื“ ืืฆืœื™ ื‘-EBERSWALDE ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื”ืžืชืื ืฉืœ ื”ืžื›ื•ื ื•ืช. ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื—ื•ืจืฆ'ื™ืง ืฆืขื™ืจ ื•ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ื“ ืืชื™ ื™ื—ื“ ื•ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื” ืžื–ืžืŸ ื‘-ื–ืงืกื ื”ืื•ื–ืŸ SACHSENHAUSEN ื•ื”ื•ื ืกื™ืคืจ ืื•ืœื™ 20 ืฉื ื” ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืขืœื™ื ื• ืืจืฆื”, ืฉื”ื•ื ืจืื” ืื•ืชื™ ืžื’ื™ืข ืฉื ืœืžื—ื ื”, ืœ-ื–ืงืกื ื”ืื•ื–ืŸ SACHSENHAUSEN, ื•ืื ื™ ืžื•ื–ืœืžืŸ ืฉื”ื•ืœืš ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘ ื›ื›ื” ื•ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื™ืžื™ื ื™ ืœืฉืžืืœื™ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื•ื”ื ื” ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ืžืชื™ื™ืฉื‘ ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ืืคื™ืกืช ื›ื•ื—ื•ืช, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ืกืชื›ืœ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืจื•ืื” ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื’ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืื™ื–ื• ืงืขืจื” ืขื ืื•ื›ืœ, ื›ื ืจืื”, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื•ืชื™. ื›ื ืจืื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื–ื”. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ืฉื ืื– ืฉื‘ืœื™ืœื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ืžื•ืฆื™ืื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ืžื”ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื, ื•ืœืื•ืจ ื”ื”ืคืฆืฆื•ืช ืžื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจ, ืฉื–ื” ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœื‘ืจืœื™ืŸ ืฉืื– ื”ืคืฆื™ืฆื• ืื•ืชื”, ื”ื”ื“ืฃ ื”ื™ื” ื›ื–ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืงืฉืจืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ืขื ื”ืฉืžื™ื›ื” ืฉืœืงื—ืชื™, ืœืขืฅ, ื›ื™ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ื•ื—ื™ ืœืขืžื•ื“, ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ. ืžืฉื ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืฆืขื“ืช ื”ืžื•ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื”ื–ื›ืจืช ื’ื ืืช ืื•ืจื ื™ื™ื ื‘ื•ืจื’ ORANIENBURG
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื”ื• ื–ื”, ื–ืงืกื ื”ืื•ื–ืŸ SACHSENHAUSEN -ืื•ืจื ื™ื™ื ื‘ื•ืจื’ ORANIENBURG, ื–ื” ื”ืžืงื•ื, ื–ื” ืœื ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ? ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ ื–ื” ืžืฉื. ืœืงื—ื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืฆืขื“ืช ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ื•ืฉื ื‘ืฆืขื“ืช ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ื”ืœื›ื ื•. ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”.
ืฉ: ืื™ื–ื” ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืœืš?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืงื‘ืงื‘ื™ื, ืื•ืœื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ, ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข.
ืฉ: ื‘ืฆืขื“ืช ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ื”ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ื–ื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘.
ืช: ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื•ืœื™ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘. ืื ื™ ืจืง ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ืขื ืชืจืžื™ืœ ืชืœื•ื™, ืชืจืžื™ืœ ืชืžื™ื“ ืจื™ืง. ืœืขื•ืœื ืœื ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื‘ืžืฉืš ื”ื™ื•ื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืœืžืื›ืœ ืœืงื—ืช ืžืฉื”ื• ืืชื™ (ืžืฉืคื˜ ืœื ื‘ืจื•ืจ. ืฆื‘ื™ื”). ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื, ื•ืžืื– ืืฆืœื™ ื–ื” ื›ื›ื” ืฉืœืขื•ืœื ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืฉืขื•ืŸ, ืœื ื˜ื‘ืขืช ื ื™ืฉื•ืื™ืŸ ื•ืœื ืฉื•ื ื˜ื‘ืขืช ื•ื’ื ื‘ื›ื™ืกื™ื ืืฃ ืคืขื ืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ื›ืœื•ื, ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื•ื–ื” ืจื™ืง, ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื—ื•ืคืฉื™. ื•ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื™ืš ืฉืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ืฉืžืขื ื• ื™ืจื™ื•ืช ื•ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืขื ื›ื•ืœื ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืขื ื›ื•ืœื. ืžื” ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™, ืžื” ืื›ืœืชื™, ืžืžื” ื—ื™ื™ืชื™, ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขืจื‘ื™ื - ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืืฃ ืคืขื ื‘ื–ืžื ื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืœื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืชื—ืช ืงื•ืจืช ื’ื’, ืจืง ืื™ืคื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืชื—ืช ืขืฅ ืื• ื‘ืชืขืœื” ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ื›ื›ื” ื”ื™ื™ื ื•, ื•ืœื ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ. ืขื“ ืฉื™ื•ื ืื—ื“, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืื™ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื, ื›ื‘ื™ืฉ, ืžืฉื ื™ ื”ืฆื“ื“ื™ื ื™ืขืจ ื•ืื•ืชื ื• ืžื•ืจื™ื“ื™ื ืœื™ืขืจ ื•ืฉื ืžื—ืœืงื™ื ืœื ื• (ืœื ื‘ืจื•ืจ), ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ืžื–ื•ืŸ, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ืฉืœ ื”ืฆืœื‘ ื”ืื“ื•ื ืื• ืฉืœ ื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ืืžืจื™ืงืื™, ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง. ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉืฉื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื™ืกืงื•ื™ื˜ื™ื, ื”ื™ื” ื—ืœื‘ ืžืชื•ืง, ืกืžื™ืš ื•ืฉื•ืงื•ืœื“ ื•ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื•. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ื ืื• ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืฉื—ืจื•ืจ. ืฉื ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ืื—ืจื™ ื›ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžืฉื•ื—ืจืจื™ื. ื ืฉืืจื ื• ื‘ื™ืขืจ ื•ื™ืฆืื” ืฉืžื•ืขื”: ืื™ืŸ ืื ืฉื™ ืก"ืก, ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ื™ื. ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืชื™ื ืฉืžืชื•ืš ื”ืื•ื›ืœ ื”ื–ื” ืฉื”ืชื ืคืœื• ืขืœ ื–ื” - ื”ืฉื•ืงื•ืœื“, ื”ื—ืœื‘ ื”ืžืชื•ืง ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” - ื“ื™ื–ื ื˜ืจื™ื” ื”ืคื™ืœื” ื—ืœืœื™ื ืื™ื ืกื•ืคื™ื™ื. ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ืืŸ ืœื‘ื“ ื•ืžืฉื ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ื™ื. ืื™ื–ื” ืžื™ืŸ ื—ื•ืคืฉ ื–ื”? ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœืืŸ ืœืคื ื•ืช, ืืชื” ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœืš ืœืืŸ ืœืœื›ืช. ื–ื” ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœืืŸ ืœืœื›ืช...
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžืฆื‘ ืคื™ื–ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืช?
ืช: ืžืื“ ื™ืจื•ื“, ืฉืงืœืชื™ 38 ืงื™ืœื• ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื’ื™ืœ 26.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ื’ื™ืื•ื’ืจืคื™ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื?
ืช: ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื™ืคื” ื”ืžืงื•ื: ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื•ื ืงืจื™ื‘ื™ืฅ CRIWITZ ืขืœ ื™ื“ ืฉื•ื•ืจื™ืŸ. ืขืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื” ื•ืขืœ ืฆืขื“ืช ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืกืคืจ. ืื ื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื”ืฉืชื—ืจืจื ื• ื‘-8 ืœืžืื™ ื•ื‘ืขื“ื•ื™ื•ืช ืฉื ืชืชื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื ืืžืจืชื™ ืฉื‘-8 ืœืžืื™ ื”ืฉืชื—ืจื ื•. ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ืื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง ืืฆืœ ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™ ื•ืฉื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขื•ื–ืจืช ืคื•ืœื ื™ื™ื” ื•ืœื” ื”ื™ื• ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื—ื•ื‘ืจื•ืช ื•ืกืคืจื™ื ืขืœ ืคื•ืœื ื™ื”. ืื ื™ ืคื•ืชื— ืกืคืจ ื•ืžื•ืฆื ืฉื ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืžืฆื™ื™ืŸ, ืœืคื™ ืžื” ืฉื”ื ื›ื•ืชื‘ื™ื, ืžืฆืขื“ ืฉืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง, ืื‘ืœ ืœืคื™ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื ื–ื” ื”ืžืฆืขื“ ืฉืœ ื”ืคื•ืœื ื™ื. ื›ืฉืื•ืชื™ ืกื™ื•ื•ื’ื• ืฉื ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื•, ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื”ืฉื ืื•ืœื™, ื’ื ื‘ืชื•ืจ ืคื•ืœื ื™ - ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื•ืœื™, ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“. ืื‘ืœ ื›ืืŸ ื›ื•ืชื‘ื™ื, ืฉืกื•ืฃ ื”ืžืกืข ื”ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘-2 ืœืžืื™, ื•ื–ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื ื•ื“ืข ืœื™ ืจืง ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื›ืืŸ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžืฆื•ื™ืŸ ื”ืžืกืœื•ืœ ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื”. ื™ืฉ ืžื” ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžืฉื. (ื”ืคืกืงื”).
ืฉ: ื•ืื– ืืชื ืžืฉื•ื—ืจืจื™ื, ื‘ืขืฆื?
ืช: ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืฉื•ื—ืจืจื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืœื™ ืฉืžื—ื” ื•ื‘ื™ื“ื™ืขื” ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ืœืืŸ ืœืคื ื•ืช ื•ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื›ื•ื•ื ืชื™ - ืื ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื”ื™ื• ืœื™ ืื– ื›ื•ื•ื ื•ืช - ืœื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืคืขื ื”ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœื™, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ืžืฉืš ืื•ืœื™ ืฉืœื•ืฉืช-ืจื‘ืขื™ ืฉื ื” ื ืข ื•ื ื“ ืคื” ื•ืฉื ื•ืื ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื–ื›ืจ ื‘ืฉื•ื ืžืงื•ื ืื™ืคื” ืฉืขื’ื ืชื™, ืขื“ ืฉื”ื’ืขืชื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื‘46' ืœืจื™ื“ื ื‘ื•ืจื’(? ืœื ืžื•ืคื™ืข ื‘ืจืฉื™ืžื”) - ืžื—ื ื” ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื, ืžื—ื ื” DP ื‘-ื–ืœืฆื‘ื•ืจื’ SALZBURG ืฉื‘ืื•ืกื˜ืจื™ื”. ืฉื ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืฉืืจื™ืช ืคืœื™ื˜ื”, ืฉื ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื™ื“ SALZBURG "ืงืœื™ื™ื ืข ืžื™ื ื›ืŸ" ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉืืจื’ื ื• ื”ื•ืคืขื•ืช ืชืื˜ืจื•ืŸ, ื”ื™ื” ื’ื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืขืฉื” ืกื“ืจ ื‘ืžื—ื ื•ืช, ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืืกืคืงื”, ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื. ืฉื”ื™ืชื™ ื‘ืžื—ื ื” ื”ื–ื” ืขื“ ืืžืฆืข 47' ื•ืื– ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืœื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืข"ื™ ืžื™ื ื›ืŸ MลฐNCHEN ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ื ืฉืฉื ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ ืžืœื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื™ืชื•ืžื™ื ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืœื”ื ื–ื›ื•ืช ื‘ื—ื™ืจื” ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ืช ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืืžืจื™ืงื” ื•ืฉื ื”ื™ื• ืžืœืžื“ื™ื ืื•ืชื ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืžืงืฆื•ืขื•ืช, ื•ืื ื™ ื’ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืžื“ืจื™ื›ื™ื ื”ืืœื• ืฉืœ ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื. ืฉื ื ืฉืืจืชื™ ืคืจืง ื–ืžืŸ, ื•ื‘ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ืžื™ื, ื‘ืคืกื— ืžืกื•ื™ื, ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘, ืคืกื— 47', ื ื•ื“ืข ืœื™ ืฉื‘ืคืจื ื•ื•ืืœื“ Fร–HRENWALD ื™ืฉ ืฉื ื“ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™ ืฉื”ื›ืจืชื™, ืืฉืชื• ืฉืœ ืื— ืฉืœ ืืžื™, ื•ื ืกืขืชื™ ืืœื™ื” ืœืฉื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื—ื’ - ื’ื ืฉื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ื ื” DP. ื›ืฉื‘ืืชื™ ืืœื™ื” ื”ืชื‘ืจืจ ืœื™ ืฉื›ื‘ืจ ื™ืฉ ืœื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ - ืฉื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ื ืขืœื ื•ื™ืฉ ืœื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ. ืื ื™ ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืฉืœื ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื•ืื– ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื” ืœื™: ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืฉื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ืŸ-ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœ ื‘ืขืœื™ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ. ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืฉื ืœื”ื™ื•ื•ื“ืข ื•ื”ืชื‘ืจืจ ืฉื‘ืืžืช ื–ื” ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืžืฆื“ ืืžื™. ืขืœื™ืชื™ ืœืฉื ื•ื”ื•ื ืื™ื ื ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ืืฉืชื• ืขื•ืžื“ืช ื•ืžื›ื™ื ื” ืืช ื”ื—ื’. ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืืœ ืขืœื™ื• ื•ื”ื™ื ืื•ืžืจืช ืฉื”ื•ื ืื™ื ื ื•, ื”ื•ื ื ืกืข ืœ-ืžื™ื ื›ืŸ MลฐNCHEN ืœื”ื‘ื™ื ืžื™ืฉื”ื™ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื ืœื‘ื“ื” ื•ื”ื•ื ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื’ื ืชื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœื ื‘ืกื“ืจ ืคืกื—. ื‘ืขืจื‘ ื‘ืืชื™ ืฉื•ื‘ ืœืคื’ื•ืฉ ืื•ืชื• ื•ืื– ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืฉื ืืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจื” ื”ื–ืืช ืฉืœื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืœืš ืœื”ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื”, ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื” ื•ื–ืืช ืืฉืชื™ ื”ื™ื•ื ืžื–ื” 52 ืฉื ื”. ืืชื” ื™ื—ื“ ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืืจืฆื”. ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืืจืฆื” ื‘ืื ื™ื” "ื’ืœื™ืœื”", ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื ื“ื—ื•ืก ืžืื“, ืขื“ ื›ื“ื™ ื›ืš ืฉื”ืคืจื™ื“ื• ืืช ื”ื’ื‘ืจื™ื ืžื”ื ืฉื™ื, ืžื™ ืฉืชื™ื™ื” ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืžืกืคื™ืง, ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืกืขืจื” ื‘ื™ื. ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ืฆืขื™ืจื™ื, ื›ืš ืฉืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ, ืฉืื™ื–ื• ืืžื ื ืชื ื” ืœืืฉืชื™ ืืช ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืงืช ืฉืœื”, ืฉื”ื™ื ืชืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืงืช ื”ื–ืืช ื‘ืกืขืจื” ื‘ื™ื. ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœื—ื™ืคื” ื•ืœืืฉื” ื”ื–ืืช ืขื ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืงืช ื—ื™ื›ืชื” ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื•ื™ืจื“ื ื• ื™ื—ื“ ืžื”ืื ื™ื™ื” ื”ื™ื ื”ืฆื™ื’ื” ืืช ืืฉืชื™ ื‘ืคื ื™ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื”, ื•ืื– ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื–ืืช ื‘ืจื•ื—ื‘ ืœื‘ ื ืชื ื” ืœืืฉืชื™ 20 ื’ืจื•ืฉ, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ ืจื›ื•ืฉื ื• ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืืจืฆื”.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืขื 20 ื’ืจื•ืฉ ืื–?
ืช: ืื–, ื‘-49' 20 ื’ืจื•ืฉ ืขื•ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื•ื•ื”. ื‘ื—ืฆื™ ื’ืจื•ืฉ ืงื ื• ื›ื•ืก ืกื•ื“ื”. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืฉื ืช 33' ื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื”ื’ื™ืข ืœืืจืฅ ื‘ืŸ-ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™, ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจ ืžืžื ื™, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื•ื”ื•ื ื’ืจ ื‘ืจืžืช-ื’ืŸ. ื•ืื ื™ ืœืžื—ืจืช ืื• ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืฉืขืจ ื”ืขืœื™ื™ื” ื‘ื—ื™ืคื” ื ืกืขืชื™ ืœืจืžืช-ื’ืŸ - ืขื ืื™ื–ื” ื›ืกืฃ? ืื™ืš? ืžื”? - ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข. ืื•ืœื™ ืžื”ืกื•ื›ื ื•ืช ืงื‘ืœื ื• ืื™ื–ื” ื’ืจื•ืฉื™ื. ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื›ืกืฃ ื”ื–ื” ื ืกืขืชื™ ืืœื™ื• ืœืจืžืช ื’ืŸ. ื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื™ื•ื ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ื›ืืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื ืžื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ืฉื‘ืื• ืขื (ืฆื‘ื) ืื ื“ืจืก ืœื›ืืŸ ื•ื”ื ืืžืจื• ืœื™ ืฉืžื—ืคืฉื™ื ื›ืืŸ ืžื•ืžื—ื™ื ืœื”ืงืžืช ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ื–ื” ื•ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”. ื”ืงืžืชื™ ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ื‘ืžื˜ื›"ืœ, ืฉื”ื™ื•ื ื–ื” ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื•ืช ื”ืจืืฉื™ืช. ื”ืงืžืชื™ ืื– ืืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื ื•ืงื‘ืœืชื™ ืื– ื›ืกืฃ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืžืื“. ืชืืจื™ ืœืš ืœืขืฆืžืš ืฉื ืชื ื• ืœื ื• 20 ื’ืจื•ืฉ, ื•ืื ื™ ืงื‘ืœืชื™ 3X20 ืœื™ื•ื, ืฉืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื›ืกืฃ. ื›ืฉื—ืกื›ื ื• ืžื–ื” ืงืฆืช ื›ืกืฃ ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœื’ื•ืจ ื‘ื™ืคื•. ืืฉืชื™ ื”ืœื›ื” ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘ื•ืช ื™ืคื• ืœื—ืคืฉ ืื™ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ื•ืคื’ืฉื” ืžื›ืจื” ืฉื”ื›ื™ืจื” ืขื•ื“ ืžื’ืจืžื ื™ื” ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื” ื›ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžืงื•ื ื•ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”: ืืช ืžื—ืคืฉืช ื—ื“ืจ? ื‘ื•ืื™, ืžืžืฉ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื™ืฉ ืขื•ื“ ื—ื“ืจ. ื”ืชื‘ืจืจ ืฉื–ื• ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ 5 ื—ื“ืจื™ื ืฉืขืจื‘ื™ ืขื ืžืฉืคื—ืชื• ื”ื™ื” ื’ืจ ืฉื. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื•ื ืชื•ืคืก ื—ื“ืจ ืื—ื“, ื”ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื ื• ืขื•ื“ ื—ื“ืจ, ืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ื“ ื—ื“ืจ ื•ืขื•ื“ ืฉืชื™ ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ื—ื“ืจ ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ืžื˜ื‘ื— ืื—ื“ ื•ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ืื—ื“. ืื—ืจื™ ื’ืžืจ ื”ืงืžืช ื”ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ื ื’ืจื•ืช.
ืฉ: ื”ืฆืจื™ืคื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืงื™ื™ืžื™ื ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื?
ืช: ืขื“ ืขืฆื ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื–ื” ืงื™ื™ืžื™ื, ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื”ื ืงื™ื™ืžื™ื. ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ื ื’ืจื•ืช. ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื‘ื™ื ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื—ื‘ื™ืœื•ืช ืขืฅ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืืžื‘ื˜ื™ื”. ืืชืžื•ืœ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืฉืืœืชื™ ืืช ืืฉืชื™: ืชื’ื™ื“ื™ ืœื™, ืื™ืš ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืชืจื—ืฆื ื• ื›ืฉื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืฉื ื‘ื™ืคื•? ื”ื™ื ืœื ื™ื“ืขื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื™, ื’ื ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืื™ืš ื”ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ืฉื - ื‘ื˜ื— ืœื ื™ื•ื-ื™ื•ื. ื‘ื›ืœ ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉื ื’ืจื ื• ื›ืžืขื˜ ืฉื ื” ืขื“ ืฉืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœื’ื•ืจ ื‘ื’ื‘ืขืชื™ื™ื ื‘ืจื—ื•ื‘ ื”ืชืข"ืฉ 2 ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ืช ื‘ืœื™ ืžืขืœื™ืช. ื›ืฉื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœืฉื...
ืฉ: ืื™ืš ื ืจืืชื” ื’ื‘ืขืชื™ื™ื ืื– ื›ืฉื‘ืืชื?
ืช: ื’ื‘ืขืชื™ื™ื ืื–, ืื ื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื”ื”ื‘ื“ืœ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื’ืจื ื• ืฉื ื‘ื’ื‘ืขืชื™ื™ื ื‘ื’ื‘ื•ืœ ื ื—ืœืช ื™ืฆื—ืง, ืžืžืฉ ื‘ื’ื‘ื•ืœ - ืฆื“ ืื—ื“ ืฉืœ ื”ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœื’ื‘ืขืชื™ื™ื, ืฆื“ ืฉื ื™ ืœืชืœ-ืื‘ื™ื‘, ื ื—ืœืช ื™ืฆื—ืง, ื•ืฉื ืœื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืจืคืชื•ืช ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืขื ืคืจื•ืช. ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืงื•ืžื” ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ืช, ืขืœื™ื•ื ื”, ืฉืจืง ืžืฆื“ ืื—ื“ ื›ื ื™ืกื” ืœื“ื™ืจืช ื—ื“ืจ.
ืฉ: ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืจื—ื•ื‘?
ืช: ื”ืชืข"ืฉ 2, ืงื™ื™ื ืขื“ ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื–ื”. ื–ืืช ื“ื™ืจื” ื‘ืช ื—ื“ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ืžื˜ื‘ื— ืžืกื•ื“ืจ ื•ืืžื‘ื˜ื™ื” ื™ืคื”ืคื™ื” ืจืง ืฉืœื ื•. ืฉื ื‘ืืžืช ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืžืื•ืฉืจื™ื, ื”ืจื’ืฉื ื• ืžืื•ืฉืจื™ื ื•ื’ืจื ื• ืฉื ืขื“ ืฉื ืช 60', ืื‘ืœ ืฉื ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืืฉืชื™ ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ื’ื ื”ื™ื ื‘ืขืœืช ืžืงืฆื•ืข, ืชื•ืคืจืช, ื‘ืื—ืช ื”ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืœืชืคื•ืจ ืงืฆืช ื—ื•ืœืฆื•ืช ื•ืœืžื›ื•ืจ ืœื—ื ื•ืช, ื•ื–ื” ื“ื™ ื”ืฆืœื™ื—, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ, ืขื“ ืฉื™ื•ื ืื—ื“ ืื ื™ ื—ืœื™ืชื™ ื‘ืืœืจื’ื™ื” ืœื ืกื•ืจืช ื”ืขืฅ, ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื”ืชืขื˜ืฉ ื•ื›ืœ ืคืขื ืฉืจืง ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ืžืคืชืŸ ื”ื ื’ืจื™ื” ื”ื ืกื•ืจืช ื”ื–ืืช ื’ืจืžื” ืœื™ ืœื”ืชืขื˜ืฉ ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืœื”ืคืกื™ืง ืืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื”ื ื’ืจื•ืช. ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื—ืœืงื™ืช ืขื•ื“ ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื‘ื ื’ืจื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ืชืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ืงื“ืฉืชื™ ืืช ืขืฆืžื™ ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ืœืืฉืชื™ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”, ื‘ืžื›ื™ืจื” ื•ื›ืš ื”ืœืื”, ื•ืžื–ื” ื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ืฉื ื™ื ื›ืฉืฆื‘ืจื ื• ืงืฆืช ื›ืกืฃ ื•ื—ื™ื›ื™ื ื• ืœืœื™ื“ืช ื‘ื ื ื• ืฉื ื•ืœื“ ื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ื™ื•ื ื”ื”ื•ืœื“ืช ื”-41 ืฉืœื™, ื›ื‘ืจ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื ื• ื“ื™ืจื” ื‘ืช 2 ื—ื“ืจื™ื ื•ื—ืฆื™, ืฉื—ืฆื™ ื”ื—ื“ืจ ื”ืžื•ืจื—ื‘ ื”ื™ื” ืžื™ื•ืขื“ ืœื‘ืŸ ื•ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ื›ื‘ืจ ื—ื“ืจ ืฉื™ื ื” ืžืฉืœื ื•, ื’ื ืกืœื•ืŸ ื•ืžื˜ื‘ื—, ื›ื‘ืจ ื—ื™ื™ื ื•, ืืคืฉืจ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, ื—ื™ื™ื ืื ื•ืฉื™ื™ื. ื”ื›ืœ ืงืจื” ื‘ืฉื ืช 59', ื‘ืฉื ืช 60' ื ื•ืœื“ ื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•. ืื– ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ื’ื ืœืขื–ื•ื‘ ืืช ืžืงื•ื ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื ื• ืฉื”ื™ื” ืฉื ืœืžืขืœื” ื‘ื—ื“ืจ ื”ื›ื‘ื™ืกื” ืฉื’ื•ื“ืœื• 2X3 ืžื˜ืจ ื•ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœืจื—ื•ื‘ ืจืžื‘"ื 16 ื•ืคืชื—ื ื• ืขืกืง ื‘ืฉื "ื‘ื™ืœืงื• ืžื•ื“ืœ" ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืœืžืงื•ืจ ืคืจื ืกื” ืœืื•ืจืš ื”ื—ื™ื™ื. ืžืฉื ืžื”ืขืกืง ื”ื–ื” ื”ืชืคืจื ืกื ื•, ืื—"ื› ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืœืจื—ื•ื‘ ื‘ืœืคื•ืจ 72, ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœืžืงื•ื ื”ื–ื”, ื”ืชืจื—ื‘ื ื• ื•ื”ืชืจื—ื‘ื ื• ื•ืขื“ ืฉื”ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœื ื• ื’ืžืจ ืืช ื”ืฆื‘ื ื”ื•ื ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ ื ื›ื ืก ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืขืกืง ืฉื”ืฆืœื™ื— ืœื—ืกืœ ืื•ืชื• ืชื•ืš ืฉื ื™ื ืžืกืคืจ. ืœื ืฉืื ื™ ืžืชืœื•ื ืŸ ืขืœ ื–ื”, ื˜ื•ื‘ ืžืื“ ืฉื”ื•ื ื—ื™ืกืœ ืืช ื–ื” ื•ืขื‘ืจ ืœืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ. ื–ืืช ืฆื•ืจืช ื”ืงืœื™ื˜ื” ืฉืœื ื•. ืœืฉื‘ื— ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืงืœื™ื˜ื” ืื ื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืฆื™ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ื‘ืŸ-ื“ื•ื“ ื”ื–ื” ืฉืงื‘ืœ ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืฉืœื•, ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœ ืฉืœื•ืฉื” ื—ื“ืจื™ื, ืฉื—ื“ืจ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ืฉื›ืจ ืœื“ื™ื™ืจ ืžืฉื ื” ื•ื”ื•ื ื•ืฉื ื™ ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื•ืืฉืชื• ื•ืืžื ืฉืœ ืืฉืชื• ื’ืจื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ื“ื™ืจื”, ืื—ื™ื• - ื ื™ืฆื•ืœ ืฉื•ืื” ื‘ื ืืœื™ื• ื•ื”ืฉืชื›ืŸ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ื“ื™ืจื”, ืื™ื–ื• ื‘ืช-ื“ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœ ืืฉืชื• ื‘ืื” ืœืฉื ื•ื’ืจื” ืฉื, ื•ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืืชื™ ื”ืจืื• ืœื™ ืฉื™ืฉ ืขื•ื“ ืžืงื•ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ ื”ื“ืœืช ืœืฉื™ื ืฉื ื—ืชื™ื›ืช ืžื–ืจื•ืŸ: ื‘ื•ื ื’ื ืืชื” ืœื›ืืŸ. ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืงืœื™ื˜ื” ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ืฉืœื™ ืืฆืœื•, ื‘ื ื™ื’ื•ื“ ืœื›ืœ ื”ืงืœื™ื˜ื” ืฉื ืคื’ืฉื ื• ื•ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืื–, ืฉื”ืœื›ื ื• ื›ืฆืืŸ ืœื˜ื‘ื— ื•ืงืจืื• ืœื ื• "ืคืœื™ื˜ื™ื" ื•ื–ื” ืื ืฉื™ ื”ืขื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ืฉื”ื›ื™ืจื• ืื•ืชื™ ื™ืคื” ืžืื“ ืงืฉื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืฉื ืชื ื• ื™ื“ ืœื›ืœ ื”ืงืœื™ื˜ื” ืฉืœื ื•, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›"ื– ื”ื ื” ื ืงืœื˜ื ื• ื•ืชื•ื“ื” ืœืืŸ ื”ื›ืœ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื•ื™ืคื”, ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืกื“ืจ ื’ืžื•ืจ ืขื“ ืขืฆื ื”ื™ื•ื ื”ื–ื”.
ืฉ: ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ืกื™ืคืจืช ืืช ื–ื” ืžืื“ ื ื—ืžื“, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื”ื•ื“ื•ืช ืœืš ื•ืœืื—ืœ ืœืš ื ื—ืช ืžื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื. ื ืจืื” ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช.
ืช: ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ื™ืฉ ืื™ื–ื• ืชืžื•ื ื” ืื—ืช, ืื•ืœื™.
ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช
* ื”ืชืžื•ื ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืฆื•ืœืžื” ื‘ื—ืฆืจ ืฉืœ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ืœืจื›ื‘ืช ื‘-SOMPOLNO ื‘ื˜' ื‘ืื‘ ืฉื ืช 1941 ื›ืฉืืกืคื• ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืคื™ ื”ืจืฉื™ืžื” ืฉื”ืงื•ืžื™ื˜ื˜ ื”ื’ื™ืฉ, ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืœืฆืืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืืžื•ืจื” ืœื”ื™ืžืฉืš 3 ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื. ื›ืืŸ ืื ื—ื ื• ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืžื—ื›ื™ื ืœื™ืฆื™ืื” ืฉื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื›ืžื” ื“ืงื•ืช ื™ืฆืื ื• ื•ืœื ื—ื–ืจื ื• ืžืขื•ืœื ื›ื‘ืจ ื•ืžืฉื ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ื”ื“ืจืš ืฉืœื ื• ื“ืจืš ื›ืœ ื”ืžื—ื ื•ืช.
ืฉ: ืกืคืจ ืขืœ ื’ื•ืจืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ืžื•ืจื—ื‘ืช ืฉืœืš.
ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืื“ ืžื•ืจื—ื‘ืช ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ - ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื•ืฉืžื“ื• ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ื”ืฉื•ืื”. ื–ื” ื›ื•ืœืœ ืืช ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™: ืื‘ื ืคื ื—ืก ืื”ืจืŸ, ืฉื ืืžื ืฆืคื•ืจื” ืœื‘ื™ืช ืงื•ืกื˜ื™ื ืฆืงื™; ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื”ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจืช ืžืžื ื™ ื‘ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื”ืคื ื™ื ื” ืื• ื”ื™ื”ืœื•ื ืฉื‘ื›ืชืจ, ืœื ืจืง ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื ื• ืืœื ืฉืœ ื”ืกื‘ื™ื‘ื” ื•ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžืื“ ืฉื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื. ืœื• ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืกืคืจ ื‘ืงืฆืจื” ืขืœ ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™ ืœื›ื™ืชื” ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืกืš ื”ื›ืœ ืœืคื ื™ ื›-4 ืฉื ื™ื ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžื‘ืงืจ ืื•ืžื ื•ืช ื™ื“ื•ืข ืžืื“ ื‘ืขื•ืœื, ื™ื“ื•ืข ื’ื ื‘ืžื•ื–ื™ืื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœื ื•. ื”ื•ื ื”ื•ื–ืžืŸ ื›ืืŸ ืข"ื™ ื˜ื“ื™ ืงื•ืœืง ื•ื”ื›ื™ืจ ืืช ื“"ืจ ื’ืžื–ื• ื•ืขื•ื“, ื•ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื–ื›ื™ืจ ื›ืฉื“ื‘ืจืชื™ ืืชื•, ื”ื–ื›ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื™ื•ืคื™ ืฉืœ ืื—ื•ืชื™, ืฉื‘ืชื•ืจ ืžื‘ืงืจ ืื•ืžื ื•ืช ื”ื•ื ืœื ืจืื” ืืฉื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื™ืคื” ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื• ื‘ืžืฉืš ื›ืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื”ืืจื•ื›ื™ื. ื”ื™ื ื’ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืœื•ืžื“ืช. ื”ื™ื ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ื—ื•ืจื•ืช ื”ืžืขื˜ื•ืช, ื‘ื—ื•ืจื” ืฉื’ืžืจื” ื‘ื™"ืก ืชื™ื›ื•ืŸ ื•ื‘ื™"ืก ืœืžืกื—ืจ ื•ื›ืœื›ืœื”. ืฉืžื” ื”ื™ื” ืคืจื ื™ื™ื” ื•ื”ืฉื ื”ืขื‘ืจื™ ืคืจื™ื™ื“ื”-ืจื•ื—ืœ, ื›ืžื• ืฉื ื”ื•ื’ ื”ื™ื” ืืฆืœื ื• ืฉืœื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื• ืฉื ื™ ืฉืžื•ืช. ืืžื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืื—ืช ืž-11 ืื—ื™ื ื•ืื—ื™ื•ืช ืฉื ืฉืืจื• ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื, ื›ื™ ืœื™ื“ื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ. ืžืชื•ืš ื›ืœ ืืœื•, ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ ื ืฉื•ืื™ื ื•ืœื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื™ื• ื›ื‘ืจ 2 ืื• 3 ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื•ื™ื•ืชืจ ื ืฉืืจ ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืจืง ืื—ื“ ื•ื™ื—ื™ื“ื™, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื“ื•ื“ ืฉืœื™ ืฉื ืคื˜ืจ ื‘ืœื•ืก-ืื ื’'ืœืก ื‘ืฉื ืช 1991, ืžื™ื“ ืื—ืจื™ ืžืœื—ืžืช ื”ืžืคืจืฅ. ื”ื›ื™ ืžื•ืฆืœื— ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉื”ืฆืœื—ืชื™ ื”ื™ื” ื•ื•ืœืฃ. ืกื™ืคืจื• ืœื™ ืขืœื™ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื’ื ื‘ืžื—ื ื•ืช ื™ื“ืข ืœื”ืฆื˜ื™ื™ืŸ, ื™ืคื” ื”ืชื•ืืจ ื”ื–ื” ื•ื”ื—ื›ื ื•ืชืžื™ื“ ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืžืฆื‘ ืžืื“ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืžื—ื ื•ืช. ืขื“ ืฉื”ื’ื™ืข ืœ-ืื•ืฉื•ื•ื™ืฅ AUSCHWITZ ื•ื”ืชืขืงืฉ ืœื ืกื•ืข ืœืžื—ื ื” ื•ืœื ืœืœื›ืช ื‘ืจื’ืœ, ื•ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืงื‘ืœ ืžื›ื•ืช ื•ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ื”ืชืขืงืฉ ืืžืจื•: ื ื•, ื˜ื•ื‘, ืชืขืœื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ืขืœื” ื•ื”ื‘ื™ืื• ืื•ืชื• ืœืืŸ ืฉื”ื‘ื™ืื•. ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ื’ื•ืจืœ ืฉืœื•. ื›ืœ ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ืขื ื™ืคื” ื”ื–ืืช, ืื ืœืกื›ื ืžื ืชื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ืขืฉืจื•ืช ืื ืฉื™ื.
ืฉ: ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืžื•ืช?
ืช: ื›ืŸ, ื”ืื—ื•ืช ื”ื‘ื›ื•ืจื” ืฉืœ ืืžื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืœื•ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื” 5 ื™ืœื“ื™ื.
ืฉ: ืžื” ืฉื ืžืฉืคื—ืชื”?
ืช: ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื–ื›ืจ. ืื—ืจื™ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืžื™ ืขื 4 ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ืจืฉืœ ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืžืœื—ืžื”, ืื ื™ ื”ื›ืจืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืชืžื•ื ื” ื›ื—ื™ื™ืœ ืขื ื—ืจื‘, ืื—ืจื™ื” ืคื˜ืจ ืžื•ื™ืฉื”, ืื—ืจื™ื• ืื™ืฆ'ื”, ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ื‘-ื‘ื™ืจืงื ืื• BIRKENAU, ืฉืชื™ ืื—ื™ื•ืช - ืื—ืช ืœืื” ื•ืื—ืช ืจื—ืœ, ืื—ืจื™ื”ื ื•ื•ืœืฃ, ืื™ื“ืง, ื ื—, ืืคืจื™ื. ืื ื™ ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉืœื ื“ื™ืœื’ืชื™ ืขืœ ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืžื”ื. ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ืขื ื™ืคื” ื”ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืคื•ื–ืจืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืžืงื•ืžื•ืช, ื–ื›ืจ ืœื ื ืฉืืจ ืžืืฃ ืื—ื“, ืžื” ืขื•ื“ ืฉื”ื“ื•ื“ ื”ื–ื” ืฉื ืฉืืจ ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ื’ื ืœื ื”ืฉืื™ืจ ืฆืืฆืื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื•.
* ื‘ืชืžื•ื ื” ื–ื” ื”ื‘ืŸ ืœื™ืื•ืจ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ืŸ 41, ืขื•ืกืง ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืื™ืฉ ืขืกืงื™ื ื“ื™ ืžืฆืœื™ื—, ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœื• ืžืื“, ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื ืฉื•ื™ ื‘ืื•ืฉืจ.
* ื‘ืชืžื•ื ื” ื”ื–ืืช ืกื‘ื ื•ืกื‘ืชื, ืื ื™ ื•ืืฉืชื™, ื›ืœืชื ื• ื“ื•ืจื™ืช, ื”ื ื›ื“ื” ื”ื‘ื›ื•ืจื” ืœื™ ืœื™ื“ื•ืจ - ื–ื” ืฆื™ืจื•ืฃ ืฉืœ ืœื™ืื•ืจ ื•ื“ื•ืจื™ืช - ื•ื”ื ื›ื“ื” ื”ืงื˜ื ื” ืฉืœื™ ืงื•ืจืœ, ืฉื ื™ืคื”, ื ื›ื“ื” ื™ืคื”ืคื™ื”, ืฉืชื™ื”ืŸ ืื”ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืœื™ื‘ื™.
Testimony of Avraham Biylewsky, born in Przedecz, Poland, 1919, regarding his experiences in Eberswalde, Auschwitz, labor camps and a death march Life before the war in a religious family; childhood memories from Przedecz; move to Sompolno, 1929; his family and the Sompolno community; Jewish institutions; Zionist youth movements; joins Hashomer Hatzair; Nazi rise to power. Outbreak of the war, 1939; establishment of the Judenrat; anti-Jewish decrees; deportation with a group of youths to forced labor laying railroad tracks and in carpentry for Reichsautobahn (R.A.B), Tisha B'Av-August 1941; transfer to Eberswalde to labor producing shell casings; separation from his brother; stay in camp in a smaller group; deteriortation of conditions, hunger, punishments; deportation to Auschwitz-Birkenau, late 1943; arrival in Auschwitz-Birkenau; joins a group of skilled professionals; transfer to Buna camp; labor in Kommando 162 as a building moulder; a Kapo named Nisim, a friendly Czech Jew; transfer to Gleiwitz, January 1945; transport in open train cars to Dora camp in Buchenwald; transfer from Buchenwald to Ellrich camp; arrival to Sachsenhausen camp under complete exhaustion after transfer without food; death march. Arrival to a DP camp in Salzburg; counselor in the Jewish orphanage in Munich; meets his future wife; aliya to Israel, 1949; quick absorption.
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Avraham
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ISRAEL
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